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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-11-11

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 11 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 299549298

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 11 Noembrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Synexizoyme me ameiwth entash th sklhrh maxh poy dinoyme syllogika, edw kai ena xrono gia th swthria ths xwras kai thn ejodo apo thn krish. Eimaste apofasismenoi na enteinoyme akomh perissotero tis prospaqeies mas, sebomenoi apolyta th boylhsh twn politwn gia rizikes tomes.

Tomes poy pragmatika allazoyn thn Ellada, apallagmenoi apo paqogeneies kai agkylwseis poy xronia mas kratoysan desmioys. Anoigoyme kai antimetwpizoyme me qarros kaqe qema poy dysxerainei th zwh twn politwn.

Eimaste eilikrineis apenanti stoys polites, opws eipe o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai stoys etairoys mas. Kai ayth h eilikrineia xtizei mia nea sxesh empistosynhs. Koitazoyme katamata kaqe problhma me th boylhsh na mhn meinei tipote alyto. Koitazoyme toys polites sta matia.

Exoyme mprosta mas enan shmantiko deytero gyro aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn toy ``Kallikrath''. Se ayth th shmantikh aytodioikhtikh maxh, oi polites kaloyntai na epilejoyn ta katallhlotera proswpa, poy ensarkwnoyn kai qa ylopoihsoyn th metarryqmish-epanastash toy ``Kallikrath'', me ton kalytero dynato tropo, odhgwntas tis topikes koinwnies - kai malista se dieyrymenh fash- sth nea epoxh. Mia epoxh opoy h ejoysia erxetai pio konta sthn topikh koinwnia askeitai ap` aythn, opoy ta kaqhmerina problhmata twn politwn antimetwpizontai apo enisxymenoys pleon dhmoys kai perifereies, opoy h anaptyjh jekina apo tis topikes koinwnies.

Sxediazetai kai ylopoieitai ap` aytes, me ta opla poy prosdidei o ``Kallikraths'', arkei fysika na yparxoyn kai oi katallhloi anqrwpoi gia na ta ylopoihsoyn. Anqrwpoi me synaisqhsh ths sygkyrias poy pername, ths syllogikhs eyqynhs kai toy eqnikoy symferontos. Kai aytoi den einai osoi ypokyptoyn se dhqen antimnhmoniakes rhtorikes, alla antiqeta einai aytoi poy exoyn gnwsh, enqoysiasmo kai boylhsh na antapokriqoyn stis nees synqhkes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, telika sto mono poy symfwneite me th N. D. einai stis apomakrynseis dhmosiwn ypallhlwn; Dioti kai o k. Kyriakos Mhtsotakhs to prwi sthn thleorash toy ``Skai'' kai o yfypoyrgos Prostasias toy Polith k. Manwlhs Oqwnas afhsan anoixto paraqyro gia apomakrynseis ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Einai sthn atzenta sas;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ti eipe o k. Kyriakos Mhtsotakhs. Ekeino poy gnwrizw einai pws otidhpote den einai toso rhto oso qeloyn kapoioi, prospaqei na apodoqei ws anoixto qema. Emeis den syzhtame zhthma apolysewn sto dhmosio tomea. Ejalloy, yparxei to Syntagma poy katoxyrwnei th monimothta twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme, einai na ejygianoyme ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea. Hdh, edw kai ena xrono exoyme jekinhsei energeies, etsi wste na yparxei ejorqologismos kai sto dhmosio akomh kai me to systhma twn proslhcewn. Synepws, opoiadhpote syzhthsh ginetai gia apolyseis den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta, den prokyptei apo poyqena kai ara to qema ayto to exoyme ejantlhsei.

KOYTRAS: Ayto isxyei kai gia tis DEKO;

PETALWTHS: Ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea isxyei kai o,ti sto dhmosio tomea. Oi dhmosioi ypallhloi katoxyrwnontai apo to Syntagma. Na prosqesw akomh pws se otidhpote exoyme kanei mexri twra, akoma kai stis epwdynes apofaseis poy anagkasthkame na paroyme, panw ap'ola qetame kai qa qetoyme to symferon toy ergazomenoy kai thn katoxyrwsh twn ergasiakwn toy problhmatwn. Giati gnwrizoyme oti se mia epoxh poy einai para poly dyskolh, opws einai h shmerinh, h ergasia einai h monh asfaleia poy mporei na yparxei. Asfaleia, omws, poy qa prepei na thn prosdidoyme se oloys kai sto dhmosio kai ston idiwtiko tomea, mesa ap aytes, fysika, tis dyskoles sygkyries kai kata to metro toy dynatoy.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia na katalabw. Gia esas edw einai ena qema tampoy kai den to aggizete h to kanete gia alloys logoys koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, gia na mhn ayjhqei kai allo h anergia, h opoia hdh ayjhqhke sto 12,2%;

PETALWTHS: Exei apodeixqei oti ayth h kybernhsh, kai to apodeijame peritrana se ayto to xrono, den exei tampoy, otan prepei na proaspistei to eqniko symferon. Alla, to qema ths prostasias ths ergasias den einai mono qema koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias, einai qema prostasias toy idioy toy polith, ths Dhmokratias mas, twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn. Yparxoyn nomoi poy katoxyrwnoyn thn ergasia. Fysika, epanalambanw oti gia emas krithrio, mesa se aytes tis dyskoles sygkyries, einai na prostateyoyme, oso mporoyme, ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata toy Ellhna polith.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos milwntas shmera se ayto to synedrio poy afora ton Typo, eipe oti exoyme mprosta mas dyskoles apofaseis. Ti ennooyse;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den to eipe ayto mono shmera, einai kati poy leme edw kai para poly kairo. Emeis leme thn alhqeia, apotypwnoyme thn katastash opws einai, den thn ejwraizoyme. Kai olos o ellhnikos laos gnwrizei oti o dromos mprosta mas einai dyskolos. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos, ejalloy, to exei anaferei para polles fores, akoma kai twra proeklogika, otan se alles proeklogikes periodoys, kapoioi eixan synhqisei na xaideyoyn aytia. O Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai olh h kybernhsh exoyn dhlwsei epaneilhmmenws oti briskomaste sth mesh mias poly dyskolhs katastashs, oti den exei perasei h krish, oti den yparxei lhjh toy synagermoy. Synepws kai ta bhmata mas einai prosektika kai oi apofaseis kai o dromos mas einai para poly dyskolos. Ean parekklinoyme stoixeiwdws apo toys stoxoys mas, tote den qa petyxoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish.

SIDERHS: Exw thn aisqhsh oti den apanthsate ston k. Koytra. Eipate ``ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea isxyei o,ti kai sto steno. Opoy yparxoyn dhmosioi ypallhloi katoxyrwnontai apo to Syntagma''. Ma, oi dhmosioi ypallhloi to gnwrizoyme. Einai aytonohto. Stis DEKO, omws, poy rwthqhkate, den katoxyrwnontai apo to Syntagma, oi aoristoy xronoy, giati h syntriptikh pleiochfia, an oxi oloi, exoyn aoristoy xronoy symbash ergasias. Aytoi den katoxyrwnontai, loipon, ekei ti ginetai;

PETALWTHS: To na anoigoyme mia syzhthsh gia tis DEKO, protoy anoijei to qema ejygianshs twn DEKO einai akairo. Fysika, kai poyqena den exei apotypwqei h dikh mas boylhsh, na apolyqoyn akomh kai aytoi oi ergazomenoi. Ara, epanalambanw oti emeis exoyme kapoia krithria gia na swsoyme th xwra. Allo krithrio einai to eqniko symferon kai to dhmosio symferon, to opoio perilambanei kai thn prostasia twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn. Den qa ypeiselqoyme se tetoia syzhthsh poy den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta kai otan den yparxoyn apo thn kybernhsh tetoioy eidoys apofaseis. Eseis twra qelete na bgalete qema apolysewn. Den prokeitai na poyme kati tetoio, giati den yparxei sta sxedia ths kybernhshs kati tetoio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se ayto poy rwthse prin o k. Siderhs, gia toys aoristoy xronoy, poy doyleyoyn stoys dhmoys kai stis DEKO. Aytoi oi anqrwpoi desmeyetai h kybernhsh oti den prokeitai na apolyqoyn;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh desmeyetai oti qa kanei ta panta gia to eqniko kai to dhmosio symferon. Gnwmonas kai krithrio, peran toytoy, einai kai h prostasia twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn. To na tsoybaliazoyme me genikologes dhlwseis kapoia zhthmata kai na ta genikeyoyme kai malista otan aforoyn toso eyaisqhta qemata, opws einai ta qemata ergasias, adikoyme toys idioys toys ergazomenoys.

BLABIANOS: Xqes, Kyrie Ekproswpe, o symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Papadhmos, eipe oti pleon exoyme fqasei ston pyrhna toy problhmatos kai synesthse idiwtikopoihseis stis DEKO kai meiwsh dhmosiwn organismwn. Symfwneite h diafwneite;

PETALWTHS: O k. Papadhmos einai symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O k. Papadhmos eqese ena shmantiko genikotero plaisio kai oi dhlwseis toy pragmatika exoyn antistoixia kai me thn politikh ths kybernhshs. Alla, enas symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy exei mia sygkekrimenh apoch. Ennoeite oti to sxediasmo kai thn ylopoihsh twn apofasewn tis lambanei h kybernhsh. Alla, na sas ypenqymisw oti o k. Papadhmos dhlwse akomh, giati synhqizoyme na bgazoyme perissotero ayta poy qewroyme emeis arnhtika, oti h kybernhsh exei labei mexri shmera dyskoles kai politika qarralees apofaseis, oti safws kai qa apaithqoyn dyskoles apofaseis, oti exei apanthsei kai sto zhthma ths anadiarqrwshs, an xreiazetai, kai oti h monh pisth thrhsh oswn problepontai sto programma dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs kai h epibolh diarqrwtikwn metarryqmisewn einai h lysh sto problhma. Emeis epibebaiwnomaste ws pros ayta. Opoies diaforetikes proseggiseis ginontai apo symboyloys h apo oikonomikoys analytes, einai proseggiseis. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy sxediazei kai ylopoiei tis apofaseis.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh kai o k. Loykas Papadhmos den einai tyxaio proswpo, exei dieqnh aktinobolia kai exei kai ena qesmiko rolo dipla ston Prwqypoyrgo, epeidh oyte o k. Probopoylos einai tyxaio proswpo, einai o kentrikos trapeziths, einai se amesh sxesh me tis dieqneis agores, me thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza, prospaqw, loipon, na katalabw to ejhs: Leei o k. Probopoylos xqes ``xreiazetai akomh megalyterh kai taxyterh meiwsh toy elleimmatos, akomh syntomotera na ylopoihqei h dhmosionomikh politikh''. Peripoy to idio pragma leei kai o k. Papadhmos. Kai leei: ``Prepei na proxwrhsei pio grhgora h dhmosionomikh ejygiansh kai na yparjoyn kai nea metra''. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Otan dyo tetoioi koryfaioi paragontes oi opoioi exoyn sxesh me tis agores kai ola ta synafh, synistoyn kai proteinoyn epitaxynsh ths dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs, dhladh pio grhgorh meiwsh toy elleimmatos, ti akribws prokeitai na prajei h kybernhsh; Dioti den einai tyxaioi aytoi oi paragontes.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, mporeite na rwthsete ton k. Probopoylo. Exoyme pei para polles fores oti o k. Probopoylos exei enan shmantikotato, ontws, qesmiko rolo sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Einai Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados, h opoia einai teleiws anejarthth apo thn kybernhsh. H kybernhsh kanei ti dikh ths doyleia. Apo ekei kai pera, na ypenqymisw - epeidh prospaqeite na apokatasthsete, oxi eseis proswpika ayto omws bgainei ws mia tash, tis proseggiseis allwn qesmikwn forewn plhn ths kyriarxhs kybernhshs kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala pws leitoyrgei mia kybernhsh kai pws einai katoxyrwmenes oi leitoyrgies kai oi ejoysies ths - oti h kybernhsh ayth, h kybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. exei kanei mesa se ena xrono th megalyterh dhmosionomikh prosarmogh, poy egine pote sth xwra mas. Qa mporoysa na sas dwsw toses leptomereies gia to ti egine ayto ton xrono, poy pragmatika apodeiknyei kai th boylhsh kai th megalh taxythta ths kybernhshs, alla kai thn ikanothta na antimetwpizei tis opoies diastaseis pairnoyn ta dhmosionomika mas problhmata kaqe hmera. Ayth, loipon, h dhmosionomikh prosarmogh poy exei ginei mexri twra, eggyatai oti kai apo edw kai pera, thrwntas aparegklita toys stoxoys poy exoyme balei, exoyme thn elpida kai thn aisiodojia kai sto telos qa bgoyme apo thn krish. Ara, kaqenas me ton rolo toy.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws sxoliazete dhlwseis stelexwn ths N.D. kai toy proedroy ths N.D., poy leei oti to apotelesma ths Kyriakhs ths ebdomhs Noembrioy, den to phrate kai malista kalei toys polites na einai pio hxhro ayth th fora, dioti den einai epibrabeysh - opws lete eseis - twn kybernhtikwn oikonomikwn politikwn, alla to antiqeto. Einai ena xastoyki pros thn kybernhsh kai pros thn politikh ths.

PETALWTHS: Oi analyseis kai oi qewries poy kanei h N.D. kai o k. Samaras, einai pragmatika qewrhseis kai analyseis kommenes kai rammenes sta metra toy. Emeis exoyme pei oti exoyme mia poly megalh diafora ws pros tis stoxeyseis mas kai eidika se aytes tis ekloges. O k. Samaras prospaqei na staqei mesa sto xwro, mesa sto komma ths N.D. ws adiafilonikhtos hgeths, giati gnwrizoyme poly kala ti ginetai, kai gia ayto akribws to symperasma apo aytes tis ekloges, to symperasma ths N.D. htan oti exoyme olikh epanafora ths N.D. Einai ayto to mono to opoio toys endiaferei. Emas mas endiaferoyn dyo basika pragmata: Prwta apo ola, mas endiaferei na swsoyme th xwra. Mas endiaferei o eqnikos stoxos poy exoyme qesei, poy einai akribws h diaswsh ths xwras na mporei na paei parapera - kai emeis ayto to mhnyma to phrame apo toys Ellhnes polites - kai fysika epeidh exoyme aytodioikhtikes ekloges, gia na mhn jexniomaste kai na mhn jexnietai kanenas, mas endiaferei na ylopoihqei h epanastash toy ``Kallikrath''. Ara, kaqenas exei toys dikoys toy stoxoys kai me bash toys stoxoys aytoys kanei kai tis analyseis toy. Antiqetws, emeis eimaste para poly metrhmenoi. Kai eimaste metrhmenoi giati, akribws, me sobarothta ajiologoyme tis ekloges ths prwths Kyriakhs kai qa ajiologhsoyme kai ton deytero gyro poy erxetai.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, synexizontai na erxontai ta xartia ths peraiwshs kai pera apo ta polla laqh poy yparxoyn - gia paradeigma se emena, eixa ena anenergo mplokaki kai moy hrqe na peraiwsw xronia poy den ekoba kaqoloy mplokaki - ti qa ginei me ayth thn ypoqesh; Giati ayth h ypoqesh ontws prokalei aganakthsh stoys polites.

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti se mia dyskolh periodo, otan phgainei ena mpilietaki ths eforias stoys polites, na dhmioyrgeitai problhma. Apo thn allh pleyra, omws, exoyme kapoia dedomena, ta opoia ta exoyme pei, ta exoyme analysei polles fores gia thn peraiwsh. Oti qa prepei na ftiaxtei, epiteloys, ayto to forologiko mas systhma kai einai h teleytaia fora, kai analysame to giati qa einai h teleytaia fora, gia th peraiwsh. Giati akoma kai na qeloyme ws kybernhsh na thn kanoyme toy xronoy, den qa mporoyme, giati qa einai diaforetiko to systhma toy prosdiorismoy ths forologhteas ylhs. Kai fysika ta 700 ekat. eyrw poy proypologizotan, proypologizotan gia to 2010 kai to 2011. Ara, osoi lene oti ``ypologizate oti qa parete 700 ekat. eyrw kai phrate mono 50 ekat. eyrw'' adikoyn thn olh ayth katastash.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh qewreite oti einai epityxhmenh h diadikasia ths peraiwshs mexri stigmhs; Epishs na sas diaceysw se kati, giati apo to reportaz bgainei oti den exei paei to logismiko stis efories.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw pote kanate to reportaz. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn dhlwnei oti exei apostalei to logismiko stis efories, stis D.O.Y. Twra, an den to exoyn egkatasthsei akomh, einai ena qema. Gia to an einai epityxhmenh h apotyxhmenh epeidh xrhsimopoieitai liges hmeres prin apo tis ekloges apo aytoys poy qeloyn na to xrhsimopoihsoyn - kai emeis exoyme mia sygkekrimenh taktikh, oti to kratos leitoyrgei kai den exei sxesh me tis ekloges ayto - to ti shmainei peraiwsh, to pws apofasisthke kai giati ylopoieitai, to exoyme ejhghsei para polles fores, to exoyme analysei. Kai epiteloys qa prepei oloi na synaisqanqoyme, kai aytoi poy teleiws ayqaireta katakrinoyn kai ennow toys politikoys sxhmatismoys poy to kanoyn, tis eyqynes oloi mas kai na antilhfqoyme ti symbainei me ta dhmosionomika mas.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh me aformh ena xqesino prwtoselido akoyw kommata na sas kathgoroyn gia probokatsia, to K.K.E. kai esxatws boyleytes ths N.D. na miloyn gia antidejia syndroma poy kalliergeite eseis, hqela na sas rwthsw eyqews an qewreite oti yparxoyn anieres symmaxies metajy N.D. kai Aristeras enocei toy epanalhptikoy gyroy eklogwn.

PETALWTHS: Egw, den qa mpw twra se ayth thn istoria. Symmaxies yparxoyn panta. Ayta ginontai stis ekloges kai malista otan einai aytodioikhtikes ekloges se topiko epipedo. Twra, ean einai ieres h anieres, ayto to krinei o ellhnikos laos. Kai fysika exei to krithrio, to diaqetei, to exei apodeijei para polles fores. Emeis exoyme yposthrijei kai sthrizoyme sygkekrimenoys ypochfioys. To exoyme pei polles fores, exoyme qesei ta xarakthristika kai fysika akomh kai gia ayton ton deytero gyro eklogwn, qetoyme ta xarakthristika ayta kai zhtame apo toys polites na yperchfisoyn toys ypochfioys toys opoioys sthrizoyme.

SEGKOS: Sygnwmh, ep aytoy: To yioqeteite, omws, to dhmosieyma; Giati epikaleitai kybernhtika stelexh to dhmosieyma.

PETALWTHS: Ta kybernhtika stelexh , ta opoia milane, exoyn epwnymo kai opoios ta epikaleitai mporei na epikaleitai kai to onoma toys. Emeis eimaste to Kinhma, eimaste h kybernhsh poy leitoyrgoyme xwris dogmatismoys. Pisteyoyme oti o ellhnikos laos, o Ellhnas poliths exei krithrio, oti den pairnei grammh apo poyqena, den mporei na pairnei grammh apo poyqena. Kai gia ayto akribws, ean yparxoyn tetoioy eidoys symmaxies, poy den gnwrizw pws prokyptoyn kai antilhptes ginontai, alla nomizw oti exei apodeixqei kai sthn prajh pws h koinwnia kai o poliths einai toso wrimos poy aytes tis symmaxies, an yparxoyn, h tis grammes poy bgainoyn apo diafora kommatika grafeia, o Ellhnas poliths den tis akoloyqei. Ayto einai dedomeno.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh zhtate onomata kybernhtikwn stelexwn: O k. Prwtopapas, o k. Skandalidhs, bghkan kai afhsan yponooymena oti yparxoyn ypogeies diergasies, synergasies, anamesa sthn N.D. kai se kommata ths Aristeras. Einai dyo kybernhtika stelexh. Einai o koinoboyleytikos sas ekproswpos kai enas ypoyrgos sas.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw, omws, ti ennoeite ``yponooymeno''. Sas eipa oti symmaxies ginontai kai qa ginontai. To qema einai oti o ellhnikos laos antilambanetai ti brisketai pisw apo aytes tis symmaxies.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Na sas pw; Egw gnwrizw mia symmaxia. H N.D. exei chfisei ta 30 apo ta 60 nomosxedia ths kybernhshs. Symmaxhsate gia na perasoyn kapoia nomosxedia. Eseis gnwrizete kapoia allh synergasia, kapoia symmaxia;

PETALWTHS: O ellhnikos laos gnwrizei para poly kala, pantws. Ws pros ayto gia ta 30 nomosxedia ths N.D. poy ta yioqeteite, giati blepw oti yioqeteite akribws ayto poy eipe o k. Samaras kai moy kanei entypwsh...

QEODWROPOYLOS: Den to eipa egw k. Ypoyrge. O k. Samaras to eipe.

PETALWTHS: O k. Samaras to eipe kai eseis, profanws, to yioqeteite.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mhn prospaqeite na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis. To eipe o k. Samaras. Kai mporeite na prostrejete: Apo ta 60 nomosxedia, ontws, ta 30 ta chfisate mazi.

PETALWTHS: An to symplhrwnete twra, giati prohgoymenws den to eipate, oti to eipe o k. Samaras, to dexomai. Ontws o k. Samaras, prospaqwntas na apologhqei stoys omoideates toy etairoys sthn E.E. teleiws plasta kai me teleiws diaforetikh qewrhsh kai mia parermhneia, eipe oti ``ma, emeis eimaste synainetikh me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai chfisame 30 nomosxedia, enw otan htan to PA.SO.K. sthn antipoliteysh den chfise kanena h isws chfise elaxista''. Prwta apo ola na poyme oti oles tis basikes epiloges poy ekane ayth h kybernhsh, basikotates epiloges gia th swthria ths xwras, h N.D. oxi aplws den tis chfise, alla htan kai teleiws antiqeth. To idio ekanan kai ta perissotera kommata ths antipoliteyshs, opws einai to K.K.E. h o SYRIZA. Kai malista ekei, sthn taktikh, sth qewrhsh kai sthn antimetwpish poy eixan, anejarthta apo tis diaforetikes proseggiseis, nomizw oti fainotan poioi symmaxoyn mesa sth Boylh me tis epiloges kai tis apofaseis toys kai poioi den symmaxoyn.

SPANOY: Mporeite na diabebaiwsete oti h trypa ysterhshs sta esoda poy katagrafetai qa kalyfqei apo ta telh kykloforias kai apo ta prosdokwmena esoda gia thn peraiwsh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy leei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, giati to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn mila me stoixeia, einai oti osa esoda ypoleipontai qa kalyfqoyn, oti o stoxos qa kalyfqei kai me thn peraiwsh kai me ton foro megalhs akinhths perioysias kai me ta telh kykloforias. To exw, allwste, anaferei polles fores, kaqws epishs oti ta metra ayta gia thn kalych toy stoxoy qa yparjoyn mexri to telos toy xronoy. Pantws, h kybernhsh dhlwnei oti sto telos qa eimaste synepeis stoys stoxoys mas kai oti den qa yparjei ysterhsh tetoia poy na dhmioyrgei, toylaxiston, problhma.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate prohgoymenws oti kai stis topikes koinwnies o laos qa krinei poies symmaxies einai anieres. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean qa krinei...

PETALWTHS: Egw to eipa genikws kai den milhsa gia symmaxies kommatwn.

BITALHS: Genikws, rwtaw ki egw. Qa krinei dhladh kai sthn perifereia ths Aqhnas, as poyme, anieres symmaxies, meta tis dhlwseis toy k. Karatzaferh;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw. Nomizw oti h plhqysmiakh synqesh ths perifereias ths Aqhnas einai tetoia, opws akribws kai ayth olhs ths Elladas. Prokeitai gia polites nohmones, oi opoioi antilambanontai para poly kala ti diakybeyetai ston topo mas, ti diakybeyetai sthn perifereia ths Attikhs, poy einai h megalyterh perifereia ths xwras, kai gi ayto akribws emeis exoyme zhthsei apo toys polites na sthrijoyn th sygkekrimenh ypochfiothta toy k. Sgoyroy.

SEGKOS: Me sygxwreite, ep aytoy: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o ellhnikos laos - erwtw eyqews- qa prepei na krinei th symmaxia ths kybernhshs me to LAOS sthn perifereia Attikhs ypo ton k. Sgoyro kai sthn perifereia Peloponnhsoy me ton k. Tatoylh;

PETALWTHS: Exete dei eseis kapoia symmaxia sthn perifereia Attikhs kai sthn perifereia Peloponnhsoy; To na sthrizontai kapoioi ypochfioi apo dyo h apo tria h apo tessera kommata, den shmainei oti einai symmaxia kai malista anierh symmaxia. Ean kapoio komma dinei th sthrijh toy se ypochfio toy PASOK, safws kai h yposthrijh ayth einai eklogikh kai den shmainei tipota parapanw.

SEGKOS: Dhladh, einai ierh symmaxia ;

PETALWTHS: Egw den milhsa gia ieres kai anieres symmaxies, alla sthn koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia poy zoyme kai stis ekloges poy ginontai s ayth thn koinoboyleytikh dhmokratia, diejagontai eleyqeres, dhmokratikes ekloges kai kaqe ypochfios dhmotikos arxontas mporei na exei th sthrijh h thn yposthrijh opoioydhpote politikoy sxhmatismoy.

TSAKIRHS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe to prwi oti einai ikanopoihmenos apo to apotelesma twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn, giati diapistwse klima eyrytaths synaineshs kai sthrijhs sthn kybernhsh. To 1.200.000 chfoforoys poy xasate stis ekloges...

PETALWTHS: Kyrie Tsakirh, s aythn edw thn aiqoysa prin apo liges meres eixame syzhthsei kai analysei to eklogiko apotelesma. Exoyme pei polles fores oti eimaste ikanopoihmenoi. Apo ekei kai pera, oyte panhgyrizoyme, oyte eimaste xaroymenoi, oxi gia kanenan allo logo, alla, giati to mono poy mas endiaferei einai na nikhsei h topikh aytodioikhsh. Ta symperasmata mas apo ton prwto gyro twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn einai oti nikhsan h staqerothta kai h staqeropoihsh ths xwras. Kai ayto to 1.200.000 sto opoio anaferqhkate, einai ena ayqaireto noymero, giati akribws to 1.200.000 ypologizetai symfwna me tis boyleytikes ekloges toy 2009, otan gnwrizoyme oti h apoxh einai megalyterh apo tis politikes ekloges toy 2009. Apo ekei kai pera, exoyme pei polles fores oti gia na bgaloyme ayto to symperasma synaqroisame polla stoixeia, opws gia paradeigma se poses perifereies prohgoymaste, oti exoyme hdh kerdisei dyo perifereies -tis kerdisan ypochfioi sthrizomenoi apo to PASOK-, oti kai h Nea Dhmokratia exei xasei polloys chfoforoys kai malista otan yphrxe ena antimnhmoniako metwpo sxedon ap ola ta kommata ths Antipoliteyshs. Kai fysika, dedomenwn twn synqhkwn, twn poly dyskolwn synqhkwn kai twn epwdynwn apofasewn poy anagkasthkame na paroyme ws mia ypeyqynh kai sobarh kybernhsh ths xwras.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Poso tois ekato ypologizei h kybernhsh na meiwsei toys misqoys twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, mesw ths efarmoghs toy eniaioy misqologioy;

PETALWTHS: Koitajte, aytes einai kindynologikes erwthseis, stis opoies den qa apanthsw. To eniaio misqologio einai ena aithma olwn twn politwn, edw kai para polla xronia. Qa efarmosqei, giati akribws den einai dynaton dhmosioi ypallhloi me ta idia prosonta, me ta idia xronia yphresias sto dhmosio na ameibontai me teleiws diaforetikoys misqoys, na yparxoyn epomenws terasties misqologikes diafores, me toys anwteroys misqoys kai na apexoyn kata poly twn katwterwn. Kai ayto dystyxws exei symbei dioti to ellhniko dhmosio, edw kai para polles dekaeties, den mporese na prosarmosqei stis sygxrones synqhkes kai den mporese na qesei kanones ajiologhshs kai krithria, etsi wste na antimetwpizontai misqologika kata ton idio tropo oi ypallhloi, panta me ta idia prosonta kai ton idio xrono yphresias, poy yphretoyn s ayto.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epomenws, to eniaio misqologio qa epiferei meiwsh misqwn;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa m ayto poy sas eipa: oti h kindynologia kaqe allo para bohqa sthn doyleia poy kanoyme oloi mazi ayth th stigmh.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean anhsyxeite gia thn katastash poy yparxei stis agores omologwn kai sthn Irlandia, alla kai stis xwres toy notoy poy exoyn ektinaxqei ta spreads kai mhpws ek twn ysterwn qelete na paradexqeite oti htan laqos to dilhmma poy ebale o Prwqypoyrgos - gia tis ekloges ennow- kai eixe ws apotelesma ta ellhnika spreads - as poyme shmera- na einai stis 950 monades bashs.

PETALWTHS: Dhladh, qelete na peite oti to dilhmma exei sxesh kai me thn anodo twn spreads ths Irlandias; Sto telos, mexri kai gi ayto qa kathgorhqoyme.

KOYTRAS: Oxi, den sas kathgorw gi ayto. Den sas kathgorw gia tipote. Aplws, rwtaw.

PETALWTHS: Eseis kanete th doyleia sas. Emeis ejhghsame giati teqhke ayto to dilhmma, giati mphke ayto to diakybeyma, to opoio htan pragmatiko. Kai apodeixqhke oti den htan oyte mplofa, oyte proeilhmmenh apofash yphrxe gia ekloges.

KOYTRAS: Kai h anodos twn spreads...

PETALWTHS: Synepws, ayto poy sas lew einai oti, den yparxei kanenas logos ek twn proterwn h ek twn ysterwn na metaniwsoyme gia kati. Emeis eimaste eyqeis, eimaste synepeis kai fysika h anodos twn spreads symbainei otan yparxei apostaqeropoihsh sth xwra. Kai otan yparxei h eikona oti mporei na yparjei apostaqeropoihsh, tote anebainoyn ta spreads. Ayth h kybernhsh, omws, pragmatika, kataballei titanies prospaqeies, to gnwrizei olos o ellhnikos laos, gia na diathrhsei se ena sobaro, metrhmeno kai staqeropoihmeno systhma th xwra kai fysika yparxei kai apotelesma ws pros ayth thn prospaqeia.

KOYTRAS: Kai gia thn katastash poy exei diamorfwqei anhsyxeite;

PETALWTHS: An anhsyxoyme gia to ti ginetai sthn Irlandia; Einai safes oti parakoloyqoyme kai exei apodeixqei oti to dieqnes pagkosmio oikonomiko systhma einai se tetoia katastash poy otan mia xwra brisketai se mia asxhmh dhmosionomikh katastash, epiferei epiptwseis kai stis ypoloipes. Poso mallon otan einai melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Alla, emeis prwtoi mesa sthn poly megalh anagkh poy eixame, kataferame me ajiopista stoixeia na prokalesoyme th systash kai thn yparjh mhxanismoy sthrijhs apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, etsi wste, kai to legame apo tote kai to leme kai twra, opoiadhpote xwra xreiastei na exei sthrijh kai antimetwpizei paromoia problhmata me ayta ths Elladas, na yparxei etoimos mhxanismos, o opoios pragmatika qa thn sthrijei. Aytos o mhxanismos dhmioyrghqhke meta apo thn terastia prospaqeia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai me th symbolh ths dieqnoys proswpikothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy, Giwrgoy Papandreoy.

GARGALAKOS: Exoyn yparjei dhmosieymata, poy emplekoyn ton anaplhrwth ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Swkrath Jynidh se mia periergh ypoqesh. Ton kathgoroyn, dhladh, oti exei diaqesei mystika kondylia sxedon miso ekatommyrio, gia thn eklogikh perifereia toy, th Qrakh. Ti lete ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ws pros ayto, o k. Jynidhs exei dwsei mia analytikh apanthsh. Enocei eklogwn, fysika, blepoyme kai qa doyme polla tetoia dhmosieymata, ta opoia einai pantelws abasima. Proxqes, enas synadelfos sas edw, me rwthse an o k. Jynidhs doylece gia tis ekloges. Shmera o k. Jynidhs kathgoreitai oti doylece alliws gia tis ekloges. O k. Jynidhs einai jekaqaros, exei dwsei tis apanthseis toy. Exw mprosta moy thn apanthsh toy, h opoia, prwta ap` ola, na poyme oti exei dhmosieyqei kai ston Aqhnaiko Typo, alla einai kai mia apanthsh ston ypochfio perifereiarxh poy sthrizei h N.D., asxeta an feretai ws anejarthtos sthn perioxh ths Anatolikhs Makedonias kai Qrakhs. Mia apanthsh h opoia safws bazei ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Me entolh toy k. Jynidh anarthqhke ayth h apofash, xwris na einai ypoxrewmenos apo to nomo na to kanei, sth ``diaygeia'', poy shmainei oti den eixe na krycei tipote apolytws. Ejhgei oti prokeitai gia mia egkrish dapanhs kai ekdosh xrhmatikoy entalmatos apoplhrwmhs. To entalma ayto den exei ekdoqei kan akomh. Ara, den exei jodeytei oyte ena eyrw. O k. Jynidhs den exei dwsei entolh kai den exei egkrinei kamia dapanh, oyte enos eyrw, oso proistatai ayths ths yphresias. Kai malista, kai nomizw oti exei poly megalo nohma, apeyqynetai ston ypochfio perifereiarxh ths N.D. na rwthsei toys ypoyrgoys Makedonias-Qrakhs ths N.D. k. Kalaitzh kai k. Tzima, na toy ejhghsoyn ti einai ayta ta kondylia kai pws eixan xrhsimopoihqei kata to parelqon. Pantws, kaneis ypoyrgos toy PASOK, oyte exei dwsei entolh gia na yparxoyn tetoia kondylia, oyte ta exei xrhsimopoihsei. Einai apoplhrwmh apo to parelqon. Ara, armodioi na apanthsoyn einai oi ypoyrgoi ths N.D. Yparxei, malista, desmeysh ths kybernhshs kai proswpika toy k. Jynidh, oti opoiodhpote poso katablhqei endexomenws sto mellon, apo to kondylio ayto, qa exei plhrws ejetastei oti plhrei tis proypoqeseis kai qa synodeyetai kai apo antistoixh ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy.

Kalo apogeyma.


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