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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-11-17

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 17 Noembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 300470526

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(171110)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Noembrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Shmera, 17 Noembrh, timame oloi thn epeteio ths ejegershs twn foithtwn sto Polytexneio kai toy ellhnikoy laoy. Thn ejegersh enos laoy poy hqele na zhsei eleyqeros kai na mporei na orizei o idios thn tyxh toy. Mia ejegersh poy jekinhse apo toys neoys dhmioyrgikoys anqrwpoys, poy zhthsan kai kataferan na allajoyn th xwra.

O symbolismos einai idiaitera isxyros shmera kai exei jexwristo nohma se ayth th sygkyria poy antimetwpizei h xwra mas kai apodeiknyetai pws otan oi dhmioyrgikes dynameis ths xwras apofasisoyn na qesoyn stoxoys, tote panta toys petyxainoyme.

H Ellada mesa sto 2010, me thn entonh prospaqeia twn politwn kai thn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs, katorqwse na petyxei thn megalyterh dhmosionomikh prosarmogh kai na meiwsei to elleimma kata 6%, sxedon, posostiaies monades toy AEP, yperbainontas kai ton arxiko akomh stoxo.

H synepeia ths kybernhshs stis desmeyseis poy exei analabei apenanti stoys etairoys kai ston ellhniko lao, yphrje paradeigmatikh kai ayto anagnwrizetai kai apo toys etairoys, alla kai apo ta megalytera dieqnh Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs.

H synepeia htan kai einai h stoixeiwdhs ypoxrewsh mas kai to spoydaiotero deigma toy sebasmoy mas gia tis qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Qysies poy exoyn perixarakwqei, exoyn ajiopoihqei kai apodidoyn hdh karpoys.

Throyme tis desmeyseis mas, sebomaste tis ypoxrewseis mas, den kryboyme kanena mas problhma, opws ginotan sto parelqon, alla antiqeta ta problhmata ta apotypwnoyme kai ta antimetwpizoyme. Einai, bebaiws, aytonohto pws th synepeia poy deixnei h kybernhsh stis desmeyseis poy aporreoyn apo th symfwnia gia to mhxanismo sthrijhs, th zhtame apo osoys emplekontai kai einai etairoi mas se ayth th megalh symfwnia poy kaname.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Efoson, opws anefere kai to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, htan proapofasismenh h sygkekrimenh kaqysterhsh ths triths doshs, giati den to anakoinwnate nwritera kai perimenate tis shmerines ejelijeis; Ena to kratoymeno kai deyteron: Mhpws h kaqysterhsh ayth einai ena eidos proeidopoihtikhs bolhs ths troikas pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia ta metra poy proteinoyn ekeinoi na paroyme gia ton idiwtiko tomea kai arnoymaste; Kai sas fernw ws paradeigma thn ``kontra'' poy exei jespasei metajy ths k. Katselh kai ths troikas gia th meiwsh twn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na pw oti mas endiaferei h oysia. Den einai qema anakoinwshs h mh. Einai kati to opoio htan programmatismeno. Kai pera apo thn anakoinwsh, thn opoia hdh exei ekdwsei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, symfwna me thn opoia h trith dosh toy daneioy einai politikh apofash poy lambanetai sto symboylio EKOFIN entos toy Dekembrioy, mia apofash poy basizetai panw sthn ajiologhsh, poy qa oloklhrwqei thn epomenh ebdomada sth synergasia troikas kai ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Dedomenhs, loipon, ths domhs twn taytoxronwn plhrwmwn apo polles xwres, apo oles tis xwres mazi, oi opoies kataballoyn to meridio toys, ayto exei ws apotelesma na yparxei mia diadikasia poy apaitei deka toylaxiston hmeres kai gi` ayto, akribws, h ektamieysh oloklhrwnetai mesa ston Ianoyario. Ayto exei symfwnhqei me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, edw kai kairo, kai den dhmioyrgei kanena apolytws tameiako problhma. Synepws, kamia apolytws anhsyxia den mporei na yparxei kai kakws yphrje osh yphrje, gia to qema ths ektamieyshs twn 9 dis eyrw apo to synoliko daneio twn 110 dis. Ejalloy, to exei pei kai o ekproswpos toy Oli Ren, k. Altafaz kai diabazw apo to aggliko keimeno oti: H pragmatikh apofash panta qa lambanontan to Dekembrio kai h ektamieysh qa ginotan ton Ianoyario. Dhladh ayto htan prokaqorismeno. Qa ejarthqei apo to apotelesma ths episkechs ths epitrophs h opoia brisketai hdh edw kai ekfrazetai h ektimhsh oti hdh h Ellada ekplhrwnei tis ypoxrewseis apo to daneio ths.

PITTARAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai profanes oti h Germania epixeirei h toylaxiston o sxediasmos ths einai na fqasei ta pragmata sta akra kai na petyxei ayto poy h idia eixe qesei hdh apo to Synodo toy Oktwbrioy, na problepetai, dhladh, mesa sto mhxanismo sthrijhs kai h elegxomenh ptwxeysh, gia ena kratos poy antimetwpizei oikonomika problhmata. Meta olwn aytwn, sto ranteboy ths Paraskeyhs, anamesa ston k. Papandreoy kai thn k. Merkel sth Lisabona, ti anamenei h ellhnikh pleyra;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, gia na bazoyme ta pragmata sth swsth toys diastash, oi sxeseis ths Elladas me th Germania einai panta filikes. Ayto den qa prepei na to jexname. Einai mia staqera poy kaqorizei kai tis etairikes mas sxeseis kai tis sxeseis genikws Elladas kai Germanias. Ena deytero to opoio qa prepei na tonisoyme, einai oti den yparxei ellhnogermaniko qema. Dhladh, einai ena zhthma to opoio afora genikotera ta melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Kai einai zhthma oikonomikhs diakybernhshs. Na tonisoyme edw, oti o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy ejefrase thn antirrhsh toy panw sth sygkekrimenh protash ths k. Merkel gia ton tropo symmetoxhs twn idiwtwn mesa se ena mhxanismo sthrijhs. Synepws, ta pragmata qa prepei na ta qetoyme stis swstes toys diastaseis. Den prokeitai gia enan ellhnogermaniko polemo, opws akoyme kata koron, aytes tis hmeres. Prokeitai gia mia diaforetikh qewrhsh kai mia diaforetikh proseggish. Kai h xwra mas exei kai dikaiwma kai ypoxrewsh, mesa apo ayth thn anagkastikh prosarmogh sthn opoia badizoyme ton teleytaio xrono, na exei apoch gia to pws mporoyn na lyqoyn zhthmata paromoia me ayta ths Elladas.

PITTARAS: Alla, h Germania den payei na einai enas isxyros paikths mesa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ton opoio den mporoyme eykola na parakamcoyme.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

PITTARAS: Thn Paraskeyh o k. Papandreoy qa epanalabei sthn k. Merkel ayta ta pragmata poy eipe hdh tis teleytaies wres;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, thn Paraskeyh exoyme Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO. Einai mia diaforetikh peristash. O Prwqypoyrgos exei pei tis qeseis toy. Oi qeseis toy qa prepei na anagignwskontai mesa apo tis swstes diastaseis kai oi diastaseis einai aytes. H proseggish poy kanei o Prwqypoyrgos einai proseggish h opoia einai poly melethmenh kai poly sobarh. Den yparxei kanena allo zhthma. Kai fysika, den tiqetai zhthma ellhnogermanikhs diamaxhs.

PITTARAS: An h k. Merkel epimeinei, sto trapezi ayto poy syzhtoyn para polloi, estw kai sto paraskhnio, gia lysh twn dyo eyrw, h qesh ths Elladas poia einai;

PETALWTHS: Twra, eseis zhtate na sas apanthsw se ypoqetika senaria. Edw yparxei mia pragmatikothta. Mia pragmatikothta h opoia einai trexoysa, exei na kanei me tis tyxes twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Einai epomeno na yparxoyn mesa sthn E.E. diaforetikes proseggiseis kai diaforetikes taseis. Kai fysika, einai ola qemata pros syzhthsh.

PITTARAS: Sygnwmh, otan lete ``einai ola qemata pros syzhthsh'' kai ayto gia ta dyo eyrw;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, den ennow tipote tetoio gia ta dyo eyrw. Milame gia o,ti exei syzhthqei mexri twra.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, alla epeidh eipate o Prwqypoyrgos ekfrazei shmera thn antirrhsh toy se sxesh me to pws qa leitoyrghsei o mhxanismos sthrijhs, ton Oktwbrh sth Synodo Koryfhs stis Bryjelles den chfise h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn telikh apofash ths Synodoy Koryfhs gia th dhmioyrgia toy mhxanismoy sthrijhs, h opoia proeblepe kai th symmetoxh trapezwn, poy qa odhgoyse se elegxomenh ptwxeysh kapoies xwres;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena diaforetiko zhthma. H germanikh pleyra ekane mia sygkekrimenh protash gia to pws qa symmetexoyn oi idiwtes. Yparxei diaforetikh proseggish apo th xwra mas. Mia proseggish h opoia synistato sto oti qa yparxei problhma me ta epitokia kai ta spreads, efoson symmetexoyn me ayto ton tropo oi idiwtes. Epanalambanw, yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis. Kai an yparjei zhthma symmetoxhs idiwtwn se ayton ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, ennoeitai oti qa anoijei mia peraiterw syzhthsh, qa ekfrastoyn oi apoceis kai qa yparxei kai mia apofash. Alla, ayto einai allo, apo ayto poy apofasisthke ton Oktwbrio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ayto apofasisthke ton Oktwbrio, omws, oti...

PETALWTHS: O tropos symmetoxhs twn idiwtwn, omws, den exei apofasisqei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai, alla to teliko keimeno poy mas dwsane sth Synodo Koryfhs stis Bryjelles, perilambanei mesa ayth thn protash. Oti sto mhxanismo to 2013 qa symmetexoyn to DNT kai idiwtika kefalaia kai trapezes.

PETALWTHS: Ma, h Ellada den exei antirrhsh, ws pros ayto. H antiqesh ekfrasthke, ws pros ton tropo me ton opoio h Germania proteine th symmetoxh twn idiwtwn se ayton ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. Kai epeidh qa ejeidikeyqei pws qa symmetexoyn idiwtes, oytws h allws qa einai antikeimeno syzhthshs.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dhladh, mporei na mhn chfisete th sxetikh protash to Dekembrio;

PETALWTHS: As meinoyme edw. H Ellada exei logo, exei fwnh, exei epixeirhmata kai fysika ayta ta epixeirhmata qa ta ekfrazei opote prepei gia to kalo olwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, fainetai oti o k. Papandreoy ekfrazei protaseis oi opoies aphxoyn oxi mono ton idio, alla kai hgetes ths eyrwpaikhs perifereias, alla kai qesmikoys paragontes ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Dierwtwmai, ean h xronikh sygkyria, thn opoia epilegei o Prwqypoyrgos na ekfrasei aytes tis apoceis, ginetai katopin synennohsews me stoxo th sygkrothsh enos atypoy metwpoy mesa sthn E.E. kai apenanti stis germanikes protaseis.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena metwpo. Oi diastaseis einai etsi, opws tis eqesa prohgoymenws. Yparxei mia diaforetikh proseggish, ws pros ton tropo symmetoxhs twn idiwtwn kai menoyme mexri ekei. Den yparxei kanena metwpo kai alimono an, mesa se ayth th sygkyria poy zoyme, milame gia metwpa. Oi proseggiseis einai, aplws, diaforetikes kai alimono an den ekfrazetai ayth h diaforetikothta. Mas endiaferei oti akomh kai sta symperasmata, akomh kai stis telikes dhlwseis sto Eurogroup poy eginan xqes, ekfrazetai h ikanopoihsh twn etairwn mas gia thn poreia ths xwras mas. Eimaste synepeis, mas endiaferei na eimaste synepeis stoys stoxoys mas kai den mas endiaferei na anoigoyme metwpa ekei poy den yparxoyn. Tis protaseis mas, tis apoceis mas, qa tis leme. Eimaste kyriarxo kratos, eimaste isotimh xwra, melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ayto kanoyme.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas rwthsw, ean ontws exoyme mpei se fash epanadiapragmateyshs epaxqwn orwn toy mnhmonioy. Kai sas lew ayto to pragma dioti fanhke kai mia antiqesh xqes ths k. Katselh, me sygkekrimena qemata poy eqese h troika kai aforoyn tis ergasiakes sxeseis stis syllogikes symbaseis. Eimaste se ayth th fash;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei, ennoeitai, diapragmateysh twn epaxqwn orwn mnhmonioy, alla opoy mporoyme na exoyme diaforetikh proseggish, safws kai thn exoyme. H k. Katselh exei jekaqarisei th xrhsimothta twn kladikwn syllogikwn symbasewn. Alla, oytws h allws, h dynatothta ths apoklishs twn epixeirhsiakwn symbasewn apo tis antistoixes kladikes, apotelei nomo toy kratoys. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, exoyn teqei proypoqeseis, kai oi opoies proypoqeseis tiqentai, oti qa prepei na yparxoyn apokliseis me poly prosektiko kai elegxomeno tropo, mono se epixeirhseis oi opoies kindyneyoyn na kleisoyn, poy shmainei oti qa exoyme apwleia qesewn ergasias. Na mhn yparxei anejelegkth meiwsh misqwn. Kai fysika h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs oti oi kladikes symbaseis diasfalizoyn kai ton ygih antagwnismo, paramenei. Opoy, omws, mporoyme na swsoyme qeseis ergasias, na swsoyme ygieis epixeirhseis oi opoies mporoyn na staqoyn, problepetai hdh h dynatothta apoklishs apo aytes tis syllogikes symbaseis. H kybernhsh synexizei th diaboyleysh me th megisth, fysika, synesh poy apaiteitai se ayta ta poly krisima zhthmata.

BITALHS: Qa kaqorisete sygkekrimenoys kanones se poies epixeirhseis qa yparxei ayth h apoklish kai ypo poioys oroys h qa einai kati geniko kai qa ermhneyetai kata to dokoyn;

PETALWTHS: H diaboyleysh synexizetai toso metajy ths kybernhshs kai twn koinwnikwn etairwn oso kai ths kybernhshs me thn troika. Ara, otan qa yparxoyn oi apofaseis, qa gnwrizoyme kai tis leptomereies. Alla, oi basikes proypoqeseis einai aytes poy sas anefera prohgoymenws.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ara einai ola anoixta gia tis symbaseis. Ta syzhtate ola.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy leme einai oti sth xwra mas isxyoyn oi syllogikes symbaseis. Nomoqetika problepetai, pleon, na yparxei apoklish me sygkekrimenoys oroys. Aytoys toys sygkekrimenoys periorismenoys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis qa tis qetoyme pantote, giati arxh mas einai na isxyoyn oi kladikes syllogikes symbaseis, poy kai ton ygih antagwnismo diasfalizoyn, alla kai ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Kai ekei den qa kanoyme synolikes ekptwseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Apokleietai na yparjei kaqeth efarmogh toy metroy;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws apokleietai.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an katalaba kala xqes apofasisthke sto Eurogroup oti qa prepei na petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas mesa sto 2011. Dhladh, apokleietai opoiadhpote metakylhsh toy parapanw elleimmatos poy mas proekyce tis proalles. Hqela na sas rwthsw, pws qa epiteyxqei ayto kai ean isxyoyn oi desmeyseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia mh ayjhsh ths forologias, gia mh meiwsh peraiterw twn misqwn kai twn syntajewn, kaqws kai gia mh apolyseis sto Dhmosio.

PETALWTHS: Ean diabasei kapoios th dhlwsh meta to telos ths synodoy toy Eurogroup, tonizontai kai anagnwrizontai akribws ayta poy leme ws ellhnikh kybernhsh. Prwta apo ola, to Eurogroup anagnwrizei oti me thn oysiastikh ektelesh toy programmatos poy katorqwqhke toys teleytaioys pente - eji mhnes, h apaitoymenh prosarmogh einai sto swsto dromo. Epishs, tonizei to poso shmantikh einai pleon h stoixeioqethsh twn oikonomikwn mas megeqwn mesa apo mia anejarthth statistikh yphresia, poy einai apolytws symbath me th Eurostat. Kai malista, epeidh akribws to exoyme qesei kai ws kybernhsh, epishmainei eidikotera thn anagkh gia epipleon meiwsh dapanwn gia thn epitaxynsh kai embaqynsh domikwn metarryqmisewn, idiaitera ston xwro ths forologhshs, ths agoras ergasias, twn epixeirhsewn, ths ygeias kai ths apotelesmatikothtas ths dhmosias dioikhshs. Dhladh, zhthmata ta opoia qetoyme kai emeis kai fysika poyqena den anaferetai, giati einai pleon dikh mas desmeysh apenanti stoys Ellhnes polites, oti den yparxei periptwsh na meiwqoyn misqoi, syntajeis kai na exoyme alles anatropes.

TZANNETATOS : Qa hqela ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia thn arnhsh toy k. Trise na paradwsei sto Mploympergk dyo epistoles poy anaferontai sthn periodo diakybernhshs toy k. Shmith. H prwth exei sxesh me to koykoylwma twn xrewn apo thn Gkolntman Saks kai h deyterh me thn ypoqhkeysh enanti daneiwn twn mellontikwn esodwn ths Elladas. Thn plhrh epistolh Trise thn exei paroysiasei to KONTRA channel meta apo synennohsh me to Mploympergk.

PETALWTHS: Einai qema toy k. Trise. Emeis ayto poy exoyme na poyme, einai oti den apokryptoyme tipote. H eisodos mas sthn ONE egine me diafanh krithria kai briskomaste se ena periballon oikonomikhs kai nomismatikhs staqerothtas. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema toy k. Trise ean hqele h oxi na dwsei thn epistolh sthn dhmosiothta.

TZANNETATOS: Pws sxoliazete tis kataggelies poy ekane h ypochfia dhmarxos Paroy Grhgoria Prwtolath enantion toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn Giannh Ragkoysh gia eyqeia parembash se eklogikes diadikasies sto nhsi yper toy antipaloy ths k. Blaxogiannh, o opoios mesa se pente lepta eide na anatrepetai to apotelesma apo 53% se 47% yper ths k. Prwtolath kai na diamorfwnetai sto 50,12% enanti 49,88% kata ths.

PETALWTHS: Moy qymizete thn erwthsh poy ekane proxqes synadelfos sas gia thn Patra kai alloys dhmoys. Safws den mporoyme na sxoliazoyme to ti synebh se kaqe dhmo ths xwras mas. Einai gnwsto oti oi meteklogikes diadikasies kryboyn pikries kai fysika den yparxei qema sxoliasmoy. Ektos an einai kati poly sygkekrimeno. Se ayth thn kataggelia den akoysa na yparxei kati sygkekrimeno.

PETALWTHS: Qa rwthsete gia allo dhmo kyrie Pittara;

PITTARAS: Oxi gia thn Janqh, den qa rwthsw gia thn Janqh! Qelw na rwthsw mono gia to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio: Ean ayrio to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa epikyrwsei ta epipleon metra poy zhtaei h troika kai qa perilambanontai sto sxedio poy qa kataqesete.

PETALWTHS: Prwton, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa ginei ayrio. Sthn ayrianh synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy h syzhthsh einai prokaqorismenh kai qa yparjei apofash. Qa syzhthqei to qema toy proypologismoy kai fysika qa ginoyn anakoinwseis.

PITTARAS: Ta metra poy zhta h troika qa perilhfqoyn sto sxedio proypologismoy;

PETALWTHS: Poia einai ta metra; Gia poia metra milate;

PITTARAS: Ola ayta poy syzhtame kai edw, poy syzhtoyn oi synadelfoi, gia ta ergasiaka, gia ta panta.

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme sygkekrimenes apoceis. Aytes oi apoceis perilambanontai ston proypologismo poy qa syzhthqei ayrio, to sxedio toy opoioy qa katateqei kai epomenws ola qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nea metra qa problepei o proypologismos;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti exoyme tonisei eparkws pws otan leme ``nea metra'' apokleioyme perikoph misqwn, syntajewn kai epibolh allwn forwn. Apo ekei kai pera, opoy yparxoyn apofaseis poy mporoyme na tis allajoyme, giati me isodynames apofaseis qa ginontai pio eynoikes gia ton Ellhna polith, ayto to kanoyme kai ayto diereynoyme, oytws h allws. Opoy yparxei qema anadiarqrwshs se dhmosioys organismoys h genikotera sto dhmosio, qa to kanoyme, giati eimaste ypoxrewmenoi apenanti stoys Ellhnes polites, pros toys opoioys exoyme anakoinwsei programmatikes desmeyseis, oi opoies synistantai stis megales diarqrwtikes metarryqmiseis. Kai aytes tis megales allages kai anatropes, poy eimaste bebaioi oti qa exoyn amesa kai metrhsima apotelesmata idiaitera s' ayth thn krisimh xronikh sygkyria, qa tis ylopoihsoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Na ginw ligo pio sygkekrimenos; O FPA qa ayjhqei telika sto 23% gia perissotera proionta; Qa yparjei amesh ejiswsh toy foroy sto petrelaio qermanshs me ayto ths kinhshs;

PETALWTHS: Akomh mexri shmera den yparxei apofash, alla kai edw isxyei ayto poy eipa: Caxnoyme na broyme oles ekeines tis enallaktikes isodynames lyseis, etsi wste akomh kai ayta poy emperiexontai sto mnhmonio, na katastoyn hpiotera, prokeimenoy na yparjei af'enos men elafrynsh twn barwn gia ton Ellhna polith, af' eteroy de anaplhrwsh toy xamenoy eisodhmatos toy.

QEODWROPOYLOS: 'Ara, neoi foroi qa yparjoyn.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia problech gia mesa sto 2011. H ayjhsh toy FPA poy problepetai entos toy 2011 einai antikeimeno diereynhshs mas, gia na breqoyn isodynames enallaktikes lyseis, poy qa einai epieikesteres gia toys polites.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sas to rwtw ayto, giati xqes o k. Papakwnstantinoy eipe stis Bryjelles oti skopeyoyme na paroyme opoiadhpote metra einai aparaithta.

PETALWTHS: Den katalabainw poia einai h antifash.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Oysiastika, milhse gia kainoyrgia metra.

PETALWTHS: Analiskomaste se mia aney prohgoymenoy metrologia. Prwta ap' ola, h lejh ``metra'' exei toso enoxopoihqei, poy otan leme ``metra'' to myalo mas phgainei kat' eyqeian se perikopes misqwn. Emeis tetoia metra den qa paroyme. Ayto einai jekaqarismeno, to exoyme pei para polles fores. Omws, yparxoyn kai eynoika metra ta opoia einai oi megales allages kai oi megales apofaseis poy pairnoyme. Apofaseis aparaithtes poy kaqistoyn dynato ton ejorqologismo toy dhmosioy, prokeimenoy to teleytaio na ginei filikotero kai apodotikotero pros ton Ellhna polith. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayta ta metra kai aytes tis apofaseis qa laboyme.

PITTARAS: Eipate nwritera oti den yparxei kanena metwpo kai oti den yparxei kanenas polemos. Th Germania, th qewreite filh kai symmaxo xwra;

PETALWTHS: To eipa sthn arxh, oti oi sxeseis mas einai pantote filikes.

LASKARATOS: Ayth h filikh, loipon, epiqesh ths k. Merkel proxqes problhmatizei kaqoloy thn kybernhsh; Poy thn apodidete, afoy ola phgainoyn kala kai wraia kai to klima einai idaniko;

PETALWTHS: Kat' arxas, den yparxei epiqesh. Kata deyteron, ekfraseis toy typoy ``ola kala ki ola wraia'' h diatypwseis peri ``idanikoy klimatos'' mesa s' ayth th sygkyria kai sto plaisio mias aenahs kai sklhrhs diapragmateyshs poy aporreei apo th symmetoxh mas ayth kaq' ayth sthn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh, einai kata to mallon h htton yperbolikes. Ayto to opoio yparxei, einai mia filikh sxesh, einai mia sxesh etairikhs katanohshs kai fysika ayto den erxetai se antifash me to oti yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis. Nomizw pws yphrja safhs.

LASKARATOS: An moy epitrepete, kyrie Ekproswpe, ti einai ayto, dhladh, to opoio exei ginei ta teleytaia 24wra kai exei dhmioyrghsei ayth th seira dhlwsewn kai apo th Germania alla kai apo ton Aystriako ton k. Prel, ton opoio ton maqame;

PETALWTHS: Einai jekaqaro oti yphrxe diaforetikh proseggish apo th Germania kai diaforetikh proseggish apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, ws pros ton tropo symmetoxhs twn idiwtwn ston eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. Oi parathrhseis stis opoies proebh o Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, anaforika me th germanikh proseggish, kat' oydena tropo synistoyn ``metwpo''.

PITTARAS: To idio qa legate kai gia thn Aystria;

PETALWTHS: Gia poio pragma;

PITTARAS: Gia tis filikes sxeseis kai ta kinhtra toys.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeitai oti yparxoyn filikes sxeseis. Den yparxei amfisbhthsh apo kanenan.

PITTARAS: Pws krinete th stash ths Aystrias na mhn balei thn ypografh ths gia thn ektamieysh ths triths doshs; Ws filikh proseggish;

PETALWTHS: Ws gnwston, yphrje kai neoterh dhlwsh toy Aystriakoy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn, o opoios eipe oti ef' oson h Ellada threi tis ypoxrewseis ths kai me tis proypoqeseis poy exoyn teqei, ennoeitai oti den yparxei zhthma. Oi epoxes einai dyskoles. Oi diapragmateyseis poy ginontai kai oi etairikes sxeseis briskontai se mia diarkh diadikasia. Synepws, an prospaqoyme na bgaloyme apo kaqe dhlwsh h apo kaqe yponooymeno otidhpote qa mporoyse na qesei se dokimasia thn etairikh mas sxesh, nomizw oti adikei thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy ginetai ap' oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy na jeperastei h krish.

MPEQANH: Aytes oi diaforetikes proseggiseis poy ektimate oti yparxoyn - kai poy ontws yparxoyn- pisteyete oti yparxei kai ideologikh xroia pisw apo oles aytes tis diaforetikes proseggiseis;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe xwra exei thn kybernhsh ths. Kai kaqe kybernhsh exei kai mia diaforetikh ideologikh proseggish. Synepws, yparxoyn ideologikes diafores anamesa stis kybernhseis. Ekeino, omws, poy proexei gia mas einai to eqniko symferon, oson afora ta oikonomika kai dhmosionomika ths xwras mas. Kai fysika kaqenas exei dikaiwma na exei kai tis ideologikes toy proseggiseis, poy polles fores mporei na antikatoptrizoyn kai tis apoceis poy ekfrazoyn.

MOYRELATOS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa epimeinei s' aytes tis qewrhseis, s' aytes tis proseggiseis poy kanei; Kai to rwtw ayto, giati qelw na jerw an ektimate oti yparxei prosforo edafos, telika, na perasoyn aytes oi proseggiseis ws kyriarxh apoch sthn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh.

PETALWTHS: Loipon, na jekaqarisw oti o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos diafwnhse me thn protash sto pws qa symmetexoyn oi idiwtes s' ayto ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. Ola ayta einai qema syzhthshs. Kai fysika, ayth h syzhthsh den exei akomh teleiwsei. Synepws, o,ti kai na poyme twra, einai ston aera. Alla ayth h proseggish toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai sygkekrimenh. Basizetai se mia bebaiothta, ws pros tis epiptwseis toy daneismoy, ean dhladh akoloyqhqei aytos o dromos. Kata synepeia, nomizw pws den yparxei logos peraiterw syzhthshs.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Sarkozi symfwnei me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ti kanei o k. Sarkozi, emas mas endiaferei to ti eipe o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos panw se ayto to zhthma.

TSAKIRHS: Giati jerete oti eixe akoystei oti o k. Papandreoy leitoyrghse kai ligo san ``lagos'' toy k. Sarkozi.

PETALWTHS: Kalo einai na asteieyomaste, alla as mhn adikoyme ayth th megalh eqnikh prospaqeia poy ginetai, edw kai ena xrono, apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na staqoyme sto eyrwpaiko kai dieqnes sterewma. Na mporoyme na exoyme fwnh kai apoch, afoy jepername th daneiakh mas krish, etsi wste na qetoyme kai baseis gia na dhmioyrgoyntai mhxanismoi yposthrijhs allwn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy antimetwpizoyn analoga problhmata me emas.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-451294570-1290023226=:15794--


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