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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-02-08

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 8 Febroyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 315270198

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING (080211)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Febroyarioy 2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H Ellada allazei. Kataballei entonh kai syntetagmenh prospaqeia kai ayto einai kati poy to blepoyme oloi. Einai kati poy stadiaka to paradexontai akomh kai oi pio dyspistoi analytes toy ejwterikoy. Opws exoyme janapei, den eimaste pleon to problhma, eimaste meros ths lyshs kai ayto to blepoyn kai oi dieqneis agores.

Sth shmerinh dhmoprasia entokwn, ejamhnwn, grammatiwn to teliko epitokio diamorfwqhke se 4,64%, poy krinetai kalo gia thn periodo poy dianyoyme, enw yperkalyfqhke 4,54 fores kai malista me to ycos ths symmetoxhs twn jenwn na fqanei to 80% kai telika antlhsame 390 ekatommyria eyrw. Diaceydontai gia allh mia fora diafora senaria kai apodeiknyoyme oti sthn oikonomia mas apokaqistatai stadiaka h staqerothta, h ajiopistia kai h empistosynh.

Synexizoyme na dinoyme kaqhmerines maxes yper toy polith, yper toy dikaiwmatos se kalyteres kai pio poiotikes synqhkes diabiwshs olwn, eidika sth dyskolh periodo poy dianyoyme. Apo th maxh gia thn idia thn epibiwsh ths xwras, poy hdh kerdisame otan alloi paratoysan akybernhto to karabi, shmera dinoyme th maxh ths rhjhs kai ths anatrophs. Rhjh kai anatroph me ta asxhma toy xqes, toy kakoy mas eaytoy kai twn streblwsewn poy mas odhghsan sto xeilos ths xreokopias.

Prepei oloi oi polites na analogistoyme, pote sto parelqon mia kybernhsh edeije th boylhsh poy deixnei h shmerinh kybernhsh, qetontas epiteloys telos se syntexniaka pronomia ligwn, th boylhsh na jefygei apo thn adraneia, pote sto parelqon exoyn qespistei tosa metra kai apofaseis gia th diafaneia sto dhmosio bio kai thn koinwnikh logodosia ths ekastote ejoysias. Prepei na analogistoyme oloi ti qa eixe ginei ean den eixame shmera thn asfaleia kai thn hremia, poy mas parexei to paketo twn 110 dis eyrw.

Analabame thn eqnikh eyqynh na paroyme kai sklhres, alla anagkaies, akrws anagkaies apofaseis kai panw se aytes tis apofaseis poy emeis phrame, exoyn shmera to dikaiwma oi politikoi foreis, ta kommata kai oi foreis synolika, opws kai oi polites, fysika, na diekdikoyn kai na proteinoyn.

O megalos ariqmos twn allagwn poy kanoyme sto kratos, sth forologia, sta kleista epaggelmata, sthn ygeia, sthn Paideia, exoyn thn egkrish ths chfoy toy ellhnikoy laoy kai apoteloyn jekaqarh boylhsh toy. Den exoyn, omws, thn egkrish ths N.D., den exoyn thn egkrish twn syntexniwn poy jeboleyontai, oswn einai antiqetoi se kaqe pragmatikh kai oysiastikh allagh poy epixeireitai sth xwra kai oswn ependyoyn sth dhmioyrgia anastatwshs kai xaotikwn katastasewn. Einai oi idioi poy sfyrizan adiafora, otan h metaolympiakh - isxyrh tote- Ellada katastrefotan systhmatika. Tote den toys blepame, oyte na diekdikoyn, oyte na agwnizontai. Aytoys toys exoyme apenanti, einai logiko, opws apenanti toys einai olh h ellhnikh koinwnia, to koinwniko synolo poy blepei epiteloys me kopo kai me agwna kati na allazei.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MARAQIAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, me aformh kai dhmosieymata poy yparxoyn ston Typo shmera, alla pleon katagrafetai ena kyma kinhtopoihsewn: Exoyme toys giatroys, toys farmakopoioys, toys agrotes, tis astikes sygkoinwnies, to kinhma ``den plhrwnw-den plhrwnw''. Fainetai oti sthn koinwnia katagrafetai ena ekrhktiko migma apenanti stis politikes ths kybernhshs. Yparxei kapoio politiko sxolio gia oles aytes tis antidraseis ths koinwnias, twn koinwnikwn omadwn kai twn epaggelmatikwn omadwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jekaqarisoyme oti einai safes pws otan ginontai megales anatropes, megales allages, otan bgainoyme apo thn adraneia poy eixame mpei dekaeties oloklhres, me apokoryfwma thn teleia adraneia ths kybernhshs ths N.D., opoy dhmioyrghqhkan polles asxhmes katastaseis poy antimetwpizoyme shmera, tote einai pleon sigoyro oti kapoioi qa antidroyn. Ayto einai dedomeno.

Apo ekei kai pera, den yparxei ena eniaio metwpo antidrashs, afoy oi foreis poy anaferate, einai diaforetikoi, einai diaforetikwn symferontwn. Kapoioi ap` aytoys einai syntexniakwn symferontwn dystyxws. Kai fysika gia emas h antimetwpish, einai h antimetwpish poy epibalei h prostasia toy dhmosioy symferontos. Eimaste apofasismenoi na kanoyme megales allages kai tis kanoyme. Alla qa prepei na doyme thn kaqe periptwsh xwrista.

Einai diaforetikh periptwsh h kinhtopoihsh poy ginetai apo toys epaggelmaties ths ygeias, apo toys giatroys kai farmakopoioys, opoy ekei eimaste plhrws apofasismenoi kai erxomaste se rhjh me paqogeneies toy parelqontos, me megala symferonta poy kyriarxoysan sto xwro ths ygeias. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy, me apofasisthkothta, qesmoqetoyme. Ayrio erxetai pros chfish sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia thn prwtobaqmia ygeia. Synepws, osoi antidroyn, as erqoyn na mas poyn an qeloyn diaforetikh prwtobaqmia ygeia h oxi. Emeis eimaste apofasismenoi na thn kanoyme prajh. Eimaste apofasismenoi na baloyme terma stis terasties oyres poy yparxoyn sta polyiatreia toy IKA. Eimaste apofasismenoi, epiteloys, na dwsoyme thn prepoysa barythta kai shmasia sthn prosdokia toy ellhnikoy laoy gia mia ygeia kaqhmerinh, poy twra safws kai den thn parexei to kratos, opws exei thn ypoxrewsh. Gi` ayto, apo to na apergoyn kapoioi sto xwro ths ygeias, yperaspizomenoi ta ergasiaka toys h epaggelmatika toys dikaiwmata, opws exoyn dikaiwma na to kanoyn, emeis perimenoyme, me monadiko krithrio thn ejyphrethsh toy koinoy symferontos kai thn kalyterh ejyphrethsh gia paroxh ygeias, na akoysoyme tis protaseis toys. Den akoyme, omws, protaseis. Den qewroyme oti me to na ginetai mia katalhch kai malista apo anqrwpoys twn xwrwn ths ygeias, se ena ypoyrgeio, gia ta ergasiaka kai mono dikaiwmata toys - ta opoia safws kai den qigontai - lynetai to problhma. Qa perimename, loipon, na akoysoyme alla pragmata.

Ena meros einai ayto. Ena allo meros exei na kanei me tis astikes sygkoinwnies. Kai ekei kanoyme mia terastia rhjh. Ayto to anarxo topio me pente foreis astikwn sygkoinwniwn sthn Attikh, opoy ginotan, sthn kyriolejia, ena mpaxalo, ypo thn ennoia oti den parexotan swstes yphresies astikwn sygkoinwniwn, opoy oi spatales toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy, mesa apo aytes tis astikes sygkoinwnies, htan terasties kai anejelegktes, me apotelesma sysswmos o ellhnikos laos ap` olh thn Ellada na plhrwnei ta laqh kai tis paraspondies pollwn forewn astikwn sygkoinwniwn kai sto telos na mhn exoyme kai poiotikes astikes sygkoinwnies. Emeis bazoyme terma, me ton mhtropolitiko eniaio forea, o opoios kai qa elegxei kai qa sxediazei, alla kai qa ylopoiei poiotikes sygkoinwnies. Kanoyme rhjh kai ekei.

Stoys agrotes, opws plhroforoymaste oloi, oi kinhtopoihseis, einai poly mikres. Einai kinhtopoihseis poy exoyn kai idiaitero kommatiko xarakthra. Parolo poy ta agrotika problhmata einai kai xronia kai einai kai idiaitera megala - kaneis den to arneitai- einai h prwth fora poy mia kybernhsh, opws h kybernhsh mas, parexei se egkairo xrono, ston kalytero kai pio syntomo xrono, tis apozhmiwseis poy dikaioyntan oi agrotes. Proxwrame se ejygiansh stoys synetairistikoys foreis, etsi wste kai h paragwgh, alla kai h emporia twn proiontwn na pernaei apo ygieis synetairismoys kai genikws ginontai poly megales allages sthn agrotikh paragwgh kai oikonomia. Gi` ayto oi kinhtopoihseis einai mikres. Kai fysika den qa epitrecoyme na yparxoyn tetoies kinhtopoihseis apo poly ligoys kai memonwmenoys agrotes, poy pragmatika parempodizoyn tis sygkoinwnies kai kleinoyn synora. Giati s` ayth th dieqnh krish, opoios kleinei synora prepei na exei kai thn eyqynh toy ti akribws kanei.

Fysika, gia to ``den plhrwnw'' den yparxei kinhma. Einai kapoioi oi opoioi -opws toys exei xarakthrisei kai o ypoyrgos Metaforwn k. Reppas- einai tzampatzhdes kai ayto einai dedomeno. Antistash kai magkia me to ``den plhrwnw'', otan ayta poy den plhrwneis esy ta plhrwnei eis to pollaplasio o diplanos soy, den ginetai. Emeis erxomaste kai bazoyme terma se asydosies. Emeis erxomaste kai epanadiapragmateyomaste tis synqhkes kai tis symbaseis poy ypegrace to 2007 h N.D. gia ta diodia, etsi wste na meiwqoyn se poly shmantiko baqmo. Giati to ``den plhrwnw'' einai mia filosofia poy den armozei se mia dhmokratikh koinwnia kai kaqe allo para proodeytikh kai dhqen aristerh filosofia einai.

Ara, emeis antimetwpizoyme oles aytes tis kinhseis me th deoysa sobarothta kai ypeyqynothta kai kaqenas ap` aytoys poy tis kanei, einai kai ypeyqynos gia th symperifora toy kai malista se mia periodo krishs.

MOSXOBAS: Giati kyrie Ekproswpe sykofanteite ena kinhma poy den anagnwrizete oti einai kinhma kai toys lete tzampatzhdes, idiws stis eqnikes odoys. Den qa meinw sto kinhma poy afora ta mesa mazikhs metaforas, eidika tis kat' epifash eqnikes odoys, opws tis onomazete, epeidh den einai kleistes, gia paradeigma h Aqhnwn-Korinqoy. Aytoi poy arnoyntai na plhrwsoyn, ekfrazoyn mia diamartyria. Eseis qewreite oti den einai kinhma, einai tzampatzhdes, klp. Par' ola ayta speydete, para tis diabebaiwseis poy eixame mexri twra, mallon thn apoch poy ejefraze mexri twra h kybernhsh oti einai mia symbash poy exei ypografei epi ypoyrgias k. Soyflia, speydete, se synergasia me toys ergolaboys na meiwsete tis times. Giati to kanete ayto;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola den exoyme na diapragmateyqoyme kai den synallassomaste me anqrwpoys poy den plhrwnoyn. Ayto einai dedomeno. Den xreiazotan na dhmioyrghqei kamia kinhsh toy ``den plhrwnw'' gia na speysoyme twra na doyme oti yparxei problhma. Ean anatrejei kaneis akomh kai sta...

MOSXOBAS: Ma ayto kanate. Mexri twra mas legate oti den ginetai na diapragmateytei h symbash, thn opoia den exoyme dei - eirhsqw en parodw- dhmosieymenh.

PETALWTHS: Na sas apanthsw. Prwta ap' ola den perimename apo kanenan na stamathsei na plhrwnei ta diodia, gia na doyme oti yparxei problhma sta diodia. Ean anatrejei kaneis akomh kai sta kataxwrhmena praktika apo thn enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn, qa dei oti emeis bazame to zhthma apo to 2009 alla to balame kai twra, epi twn hmerwn mas, protoy yparjei ayth h ypotiqemenh kinhsh toy ``den plhrwnw''. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti ta diodia den eprepe na diepontai ap' aytes tis symbaseis kai malista diodia se dromoys oi opoioi den einai kataskeyasmenoi. Oi symbaseis omws oi opoies exoyn ypografei apo to ellhniko kratos kai thn ellhnikh Politeia isxyoyn kai einai ypoxrewsh toy kaqe polith na plhrwnei ta diodia mexri na anaqewrhqoyn. Antilambanomaste oloi oti ayth einai mia synqeth diadikasia me nomikes proektaseis kai me nomikes energeies, oi opoies einai kaqe allo para aples. Edw kai polloys mhnes emeis kai oi armodioi ypoyrgoi - kai egw - dhlwnoyme oti briskomaste s' ayth thn kateyqynsh kai den xreiazotan kanenas na prospaqei na endysei me enan taxa ideologiko mandya ayth thn kinhsh aytwn poy den plhrwnoyn. Gnwrizoyme to problhma. Prwtoi emeis, ws kybernhsh, qesame to qema twn diodiwn kai to antimetwpizame. Kai alloimono an ftasoyme se katastaseis, opoy kaqenas exei antirrhsh sto an prepei na plhrwnei kai sto ti plhrwnei kai na fqanoyme sto oti den plhrwnw kai se anypakoh. Ekei exoyme na kanoyme me thn katarreysh enos oloklhroy pleon koinwnikoy systhmatos. Otan to kratos xanei esoda, einai megalh plhgh. Otan to kratos den einai synepes stis ypoxrewseis toy kai stis symbaseis toy, epishs einai megalh plhgh. Ontws yparxei megalo qema me ta diodia, giati yparxoyn kai anyparktoi dromoi gia toys opoioys plhrwnontai diodia, yparxoyn omws kai eqnikes odoi - kai den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas- poy einai ontws kales eqnikes odoi alla den yparxoyn parapleyroi dromoi gia na pane oi ntopioi stis doyleies toys kai sta spitia toys. Ef' oson omws yparxoyn oi symbaseis, prepei na tis sebastoyme. An aytes oi etaireies erqoyn kai askhsoyn agwges pros to ellhniko Dhmosio, giati ayto den prostateyei thn plhrwmh twn diodiwn, ayto shmainei oti o ellhnikos laos, qa plhrwnei tis magkies kapoiwn. H kybernhsh eide to problhma, protoy kapoioi prospaqhsoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn dhqen kinhma anypakohs kai ``den plhrwnw'', to opoio fysika einai ek toy asfaloys.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinistikh ep' aytoy. Lete oti den qa symfwnhsete mazi moy. Peite moy giati prepei na plhrwnei kaneis ton dromo Aqhnwn-Patrwn. Einai kleistos aytokinhtodromos eyrwpaikwn prodiagrafwn;

PETALWTHS: Tis prodiagrafes den tis kaqorizei kaqenas apo emas. Oi prodiagrafes mpainoyn se symbaseis.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh tis bazei.

PETALWTHS: Kamia Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Oi prodiagrafes mpainoyn se symbaseis poy ypografei to ellhniko kratos me tis paraxwrhsioyxes etaireies oi opoies analambanoyn na ftiajoyn toys dromoys. Kai ef' oson yparxei nomimothta kai proypoqeseis nomimothtas, ofeiloyme oloi na sebomaste toys nomoys toy kratoys. Allazoyn oi kybernhseis h oi kybernhseis erxontai kai ef' oson yparxei dikio oysiastika, epanadiapragmateyontai aytes tis symbaseis. Alloimono ean o kaqe enas apo emas amfisbhtei to ean mia yphresia poy toy parexetai einai swsth kai otan qewrei otan den einai swsth, den plhrwnei. Antilambanomaste loipon oti se sygkekrimenes synqhkes tis opoies zoyme kapoioi careyoyn se qola nera. Oso dikio kai an exoyn oi anqrwpoi poy menoyn s' aytes tis perioxes poy pernane kai janapernane gia na mhn plhrwnoyn diodia, yparxei tropos na to broyn kai kyriws yparxei mia kybernhsh poy oxi aplws akoyei, alla mia kybernhsh h opoia doyleyei prin teqei to zhthma etsi opws teqhke shmera.

MOSXOBAS: Lete oti allazoyn oi kybernhseis. Lete omws oti h dikh sas kybernhsh einai desmeymenh apo tis paraxwrhsiakes symbaseis poy ypegrace h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. 'Ara, peite moy ean aytos o aytokinhtodromos einai synephs me to eyrwpaiko dikaio kai tis prodiagrafes enos kleistoy aytokinhtodromoy, gia na sas apanthsw ean prepei na plhrwnoyme.

PETALWTHS: Giati, mono gia toys kleistoys aytokinhtodromoys yparxoyn diodia, dhladh;

MOSXOBAS: Einai asfalhs h eqnikh odos h h Aqhnwn-Patrwn;

PETALWTHS: Polloi dromoi sthn Ellada den einai asfaleis.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi h Eqnikh.

PETALWTHS: An kaqisoyme na paroyme enan-enan toys dromoys, tote qa yparxei megalo zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: Einai basikos odikos ajonas. Ti lete twra; H pylh mas pros th Dysh.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn pyles kai pros thn Anatolh kai pros to Borra. Yparxoyn kai dromoi opws o dromos Aqhnwn-Qessalonikhs poy einai megalyterhs spoydaiothtas. To na anaferomaste se periptwsiologia kai na pairnoyme enan-enan toys dromoys, gia to an qa prepei na plhrwnei kaneis diodia, adikei thn idia thn katastash. Epanalambanw, oti emeis kai antipoliteytika kai ws kybernhsh eixame entopisei to zhthma, protoy yparjei ayth h megalh amfisbhthsh, alla blepoyme thn oysia kai epanadiapragmateyomaste. Kai ayto einai dedomeno. Emeis den hrqame na poyme ``shkwnoyme ta xeria'' kai epeidh yparxei mia symbash thn akoloyqoyme akrita. Akribws to antiqeto lew kai to epanalambanw arketes meres, to eipa kai shmera: Diapragmateyomaste me toys nomimoys tropoys. Alla, efoson einai ypoxrewsh olwn twn politwn na plhrwnoyn, na plhrwnoyme oloi kai kaneis den mporei na kanei ton magka kai malista anejoda.

KOYTRAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gi` aytoys poy den plhrwnoyn eisithrio sta Mesa Metaforas. Aytoi einai tzampatzhdes;

PETALWTHS: To exoyme pei polles fores. Epishs, exw pei oti otan kapoios den plhrwnei eisithrio, to diploplhrwnei o diplanos toy. Kai oxi aplws o diplanos toy poy xrhsimopoiei to sygkekrimeno metaforiko meso, alla olh h Ellada. Giati to eisithrio sthn Aqhna kai sth Qessalonikh, en antiqesei me o,ti ginetai sthn ypoloiph perifereia, einai epidotoymeno. Kai einai epidotoymeno gia sygkekrimeno logo. Giati qeloyme na yparxoyn poiotikes sygkoinwnies poy twra den yparxoyn kai sygkoinwnies poy qa einai prosites ston Ellhna polith. Ara, opoios den plhrwnei, epibarynei toys idioys toys Ellhnes polites.

KOYTRAS: H ayjhsh 40% sto meso eisithrio einai akribh h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Ta leme edw kai dyo ebdomades. An me rwthsete pio sygkekrimena, qa sas apanthsw.

KOYTRAS: Einai akribo to eisithrio pia sta Mesa Mazikhs Metaforas, to opoio xrhsimopoioyn, bebaiws, anqrwpoi oxi megalhs oikonomikhs epifaneias, stoys opoioys exete kocei kai kapoia pronomia ap` toys misqoys ap` tis syntajeis.

PETALWTHS: Ontws, kocame pronomia.

KOYTRAS: Oxi pronomia, laqos ekfrash. Ta stoixeiwdh.

PETALWTHS: Pantws, ta stoixeiwdh den ta kocame.

KOYTRAS: Kapoios poy pairnei 700 eyrw, qa moy epitrecete kyrie Ekproswpe, syntajh, milame gia ta stoixeiwdh. Kai rwtaw...

PETALWTHS: Sygnwmh. Ean den kobame ayta ta stoixeiwdh poy lete, ta opoia safws kai den kocame - giati se mikrosyntajioyxoys den kaname perikopes - ayth th stigmh den qa mporoyse na plhrwqei, oyte ayth h syntajh. Na gnwrizoyme poly kala, apo poy jekinhsame kai poy qa mporoysame na briskomastan ean den kaname aytes tis epwdynes allages, alla sygxronws kai an den pairname aytes tis megales apofaseis, gia na mh milame kai na mh nomizoyme oti briskomaste se ``keno aeros''. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes synqhkes. Swsame pragmatika thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Swsame th syntajh kai toys misqoys toy Ellhna polith, ta sxoleia, ta nosokomeia, thn ygeia. Asxeta an den einai poiotika kai kala, oso ki meis epiqymoyme. Alla ean den ta kaname ayta, shmera den qa yphrxan gia na mporoyme na syzhtame se mia diaforetikh bash.

Oson afora sto akribo kai fqhno, egw sas lew ti ginetai antikeimenika kai kaqenas qetei thn krish toy gia na bgalei symperasmata. Epanalambanw oti yparxei epidothsh toy eisithrioy stis astikes sygkoinwnies oi opoies epeidh den einai kales, tis allazoyme. Mia epidothsh poy thn epibarynontai oloi oi polites. Fysika merimna kai melhma ths kybernhshs einai gia ekeines tis omades toy plhqysmoy poy exoyn idiaitera oikonomika problhmata, na yparxei mia eynoia akomh kai se epipedo eisithrioy. Alla, o,ti kaname mexri twra htan anagkaio, gia na mporesoyn na sthrixqoyn oi astikes sygkoinwnies. Kai ayta poy kanoyme einai poly megalytera ap` osa qa mporoysan na ginoyn mexri twra, otan ginotan to megalo fagopoti ths N.D., to opoio emeis shmera anagkazomaste na diaxeiristoyme kai na kalyptoyme tis ``mayres trypes'' poy yphrjan. Gi` ayto lew oti kapoioi oi opoioi erxontai na kanoyn to magka shmera kai na amfisbhthsoyn ta panta, otan ginotan to megalo panhgyri ths N.D. kai gemize to Metro h alloi foreis sygkoinwnias, me ypallhloys apo thlefwna politikwn grafeiwn, qa eprepe tote pragmatika na antidroyn kai oxi shmera na phgainoyn kai na sfragizoyn teleiws paranoma ta ekdothria twn eisithriwn. Pragmatika, perimenoyme kai oi foreis kai oi politikes dynameis na paroyn qesh s` ayto.

GARGALAKOS: Blepete politikh ypokinhsh pisw ap' ayto to tsoynami twn kinhtopoihsewn, kaq' oti parathreitai, gia paradeigma, sthn katalhch toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias, na prwtostatoyn o prwhn Dioikhths toy IKA epi N.D. kai ypochfia boyleytina ths N.D., enw thn apopeira kleisimatos toy Telwneioy thn ekane agrotosyndikalisths ths N.D. Malista ston xwro ths Ygeias, blepoyme eyrytera ayto to fainomeno. Eseis pisteyete oti yparxei politikh ypokinhsh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ayto poy blepoyme einai oti yparxoyn kapoies kinhtopoihseis omadwn, oi opoies jeboleyontai. Kinhtopoihseis epaggelmatikwn omadwn, oi opoies qeloyn na meinoyn ta pragmata adranopoihmena, opws exoyn, opws einai mexri twra. Kai fysika, ayth h boylhsh sympiptei me thn politikh boylhsh ths N.D., h opoia safws kai den qelei na allajei tipote ap' osa yparxoyn. Giati, an hqele, qa ekane estw kai stoixeiwdeis prospaqeies na allajei kati sta 6 xronia diakybernhshs ths. Alla kai apo thn allh, blepoyme oti megalostelexh kai alla armodia stelexh ths N.D. na episkeptontai toys katalhcies sto ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai na probainoyn se dhlwseis me megales korwnes kai sygxronws, na mhn exoyme plhrh kai safh katadikh aytwn twn katalhcewn apo th N.D. Kai oso h N.D. prospaqei na pata se dyo barkes - na leei oti den thn ekfrazoyn oi katalhceis, bazei omws toys anqrwpoys ths, toys opoioys sthrizei, gia na kanoyn tis katalhceis kai fysika ep' oydeni akoysame na tis katadikazei- tote pragmatika h N.D. qa caxnei akomh poly kairo na brei to stigma ths kai toys chfoforoys ths. Ayto einai dedomeno.

MPEQANH: Na pame ligo sthn Elbetia, giati, ap' o,ti diabazoyme apo dhmosieymata toy jenoy Typoy, yparxoyn para polla disekatommyria poy exoyn bgei kai exoyn paei se Trapezes ths Elbetias. Pisteyei h kybernhsh oti einai efikto to na ginei mia diakratikh symfwnia me thn Elbetia gia ta mayra, gia ta aforologhta xrhmata;

PETALWTHS: 'Hdh, diejagontai syzhthseis toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn me thn Elbetida omologo toy. Yparxoyn omws texnika zhthmata poy prepei na epilyqoyn, etsi wste na mporoyme na exoyme prosbash se logariasmoys Ellhnwn oi opoioi ebgalan ta xrhmata toys sthn Elbetia, xwris na forologhqoyn. Pisteyoyme oti einai ena poly megalo poson to opoio ypekfeygei ths forologhshs apo to ellhniko kratos. H politikh boylhsh safws kai yparxei, opws yparxei kai se texniko epipedo synergasia gia na mporoyme na milame gia syllhch forologhteas ylhs me ton tropo ejagwghs xrhmatos se jenes Trapezes, kyriws sthn Elbetia.

MARAQIAS: Ayto to zhthse o 'Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos sth synanthsh poy eixe sto Ntabos me thn Proedro ths Elbetias;

PETALWTHS: 'Egine synanthsh toy 'Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me thn Proedro ths Elbetias, alla ginontai kai syzhthseis toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. G. Papakwnstantinoy me thn Elbetida omologo toy.

TSAKIRHS: 'Hqela na rwthsw, epeidh eipate oti swsate toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis kai oti den qa eixate na dwsete ta xrhmata an den ginontoysan ola ayta, mhpws exete skopo na ta epistrecete kiolas kapoia stigmh sto ycos poy htan;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw pws to erwthma sas exei na kanei me to ean qa enisxysoyme to eisodhma twn ergazomenwn, ef' oson yparjoyn oi katallhles synqhkes. Einai jekaqaro kai to exoyme pei apo thn arxh, oti kapoies apofaseis poy phrame htan anagkastika epwdynes gia ton 'Ellhna polith, mesa sto plaisio toy na mporoyme na staqoyme ws xwra thn epomenh mera. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Opws jekaqaro einai oti prospaqoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme kai ena dixty prostasias se koinwniko epipedo gia toys 'Ellhnes polites oi opoioi einai adynamoi kai exoyn problhmata, alla kai na enisxysoyme kai na apokatasthsoyme to eisodhma twn ergazomenwn, ef' oson kai otan oi synqhkes to epitrecoyn. Pisteyoyme oti, thrwntas aparegklita toys stoxoys mas - as akoygetai monotono ayto, giati ayth einai h monh lysh gia na mporesoyme na pame mprosta- kai kanontas tis megales allages, lambanontas apofaseis gia megales diarqrwtikes allages kai sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, alla kai sthn ellhnikh politikh zwh, se syntomo xroniko diasthma, qa mporesoyn na apokatastaqoyn oi apolabes twn Ellhnwn politwn, me tropo omws poy qa einai jekaqaros, koinwnika dikaios kai ejorqologismenos. Oi terastioi misqoi kai oi terasties anisothtes anamesa se eisodhmata kai misqoys poy yphrxan kapote, den qa epistrecoyn apo emas. Krithrio mas einai h koinwnikh dikaiosynh. To zhthma kai to zhtoymeno gia mas einai na mporesoyme jana, ws kratos, na enisxysoyme - kai yparxoyn polloi tropoi enisxyshs - ekeines tis omades toy plhqysmoy oi opoies pragmatika antimetwpizoyn problhma. Alla ta pronomia poy kocame, kaqws kai toys megaloys kai terastioys proklhtikoys misqoys den prokeitai na toys epanaferoyme. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

TSAKIRHS: Den milaw egw gia toys proklhtikoys kai terastioys misqoys poy eipate.

PETALWTHS: Gia ola sas apanthsa.

TSAKIRHS: Milaw gia tis syntajeis twn anqrwpwn poy doyleyan ola ayta ta xronia kai eseis tis kocate.

PETALWTHS: Ki egw gi' ayto sas apanthsa.'Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, mhn qewroyme oti briskomaste se keno aeros. Anagkasthkame na laboyme epwdynes apofaseis, giati kai aytes tis syntajeis kai aytoys toys misqoys, ean den askoysame th sygkekrimenh politikh kai diepomastan apo thn aneyqynothta twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, den qa fqaname shmera edw poy mas efere h diakybernhsh ths N.D., na syzhtame dhladh gia enisxysh kai epanorqwsh toy eisodhmatos toy aploy 'Ellhna polith.

TZANETTATOS: Ayto poy katalabainw einai oti ef' oson apantate katafatika sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh gia toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis, apotelesma aytwn einai na lete sthn pragmatikothta ``oxi'' se ena endexomeno sxedio ths Germanias gia paneyrwpaikh litothta. Giati den ginetai na symbainoyn kai ta dyo: dhladh apo th mia pleyra na lete oti qa epanaferete toys misqoys kai apo thn allh na syzhtate ena sxedio litothtas.

PETALWTHS: Sxedio paneyrwpaikhs litothtas, safws den syzhtame. Me thn Eyrwph kai sto plaisio ths eyrwpaikhs syzhthshs poy ginetai, syzhtame gia th dhmioyrgia enos synolikoy paketoy oikonomikhs diakybernhshs se eyrwpaiko epipedo, to opoio qa dhmioyrghsei enan monimo mhxanismo sthrijhs eidika twn xwrwn poy exoyn sygkekrimeno problhma xreoys, alla kai sthrijhs twn xwrwn ths eyrwzwnhs -sthn opoia sygkatalegetai fysika kai h xwra mas- kaqws kai toy idioy toy eyrw, kati poy symferei amesa kai th xwra mas. Emeis sxedia gia litothta den syzhtame. Den tiqetai kan tetoio qema syzhthshs. Oytws h allws, emeis apofaseis kai metra poy htan poly dyskola gia ton 'Ellhna polith, ta exoyme labei pro polloy, gia na mporoyme na yparxoyme shmera ws xwra. Ayto poy syzhtame einai na dhmioyrghqei prooptikh se eyrwpaiko epipedo. Kai ayto einai to megalo zhtoymeno kai gia mas kai gia tis alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs.

SPANOY: Me poio skeptiko prosklhqhkan apo ton prwqypoyrgo ekproswpoi amerikanoebraikwn organwsewn poy briskontai edw, se mia sygkyria apolyths diplwmatikhs apomonwshs toy Israhl;

PETALWTHS: Den symfwnw me th bash poy bazete to qema, oti yparxei diplwmatikh apomonwsh toy Israhl. H perioxh ths Meshs Anatolhs poy brisketai to Israhl, einai gnwsto oti exei sygkekrimenoys sysxetismoys. 'Oson afora gia thn prosklhsh, kaqe fora phgainoyn se diaforetikh xwra kai sto plaisio ayto briskontai kai sthn Ellada. Qa prepei na stamathsoyme na exoyme fobies, kaxypocies. Prepei na eimaste anoixtoi san xwra kai gia na mhn ftasoyme emeis se apomonwsh, anti na leme oti einai apomonwmenes alles xwres. Qa prepei na blepoyme ta pragmata pio anoixta kai jekaqara. Den exoyme na fobhqoyme tipote. Den xrwstame se kanenan tipota. Alla kai h kaxypocia h opoia yphrxe h kalliergeitai apo kapoioys kykloys, den exei kamia qesh sth dikh mas orqanoixth ejwterikh politikh poy exei ena mono krithrio: To eqniko kai dhmosio symferon kai tipote allo.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela na moy dieykrinisete, an mporeite- nomizw oti hsastan kai eseis paron xqes sth syskech - poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia th laqrometanasteysh. Giati ap o,ti plhroforoymaste yphrjan diafwnies, diaforetikes grammes metajy twn ypoyrgwn.

PETALWTHS: Den hmoyn parwn sth syskech giati egine thn wra toy briefing. Xqes egine mia synanthsh ergasias ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai me oloys toys emplekomenoys ypoyrgoys kai foreis kai gia prwth fora yparxei diapistwsh oti yparxei pleon sobarh metanasteytikh politikh. Gia prwth fora bazoyme tajh sta metanasteytika zhthmata ths xwras mas, se ola ta epipeda: Paroxhs asyloy, empodishs laqraias eisodoy metanastwn sth xwra mas, qemata ergasiakwn sxesewn, qemata ekpaideyshs twn metanastwn poy zoyn nomima sth xwra mas. Kai ekeino to krithrio, o ajonas, poy diepei th symperifora mas apenanti stoys metanastes, poy diepei th metanasteytikh mas, politikh, einai enas: H eynomia se ola ths ta epipeda. H thrhsh twn nomwn - epiteloys - metanasteytikhs politikhs, kanonwn metanasteytikhs politikhs. Kai sto plaisio ayto egine mia episkophsh twn kinhsewn, twn apofasewn kai twn metrwn poy pairnei kaqe ypoyrgeio sthn polydiastath politikh poy exei sxesh me thn metanasteysh.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate, epeidh yphrjan diaforetikes ektimhseis, ean qa pame se mazikh h kata periptwsh ejetash twn zhthmatwn.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to qema ths mazikhs nomimopoihshs, exoyme pei oti den prokeitai na yparjei. Ta zhthmata poy tiqentai sth metanasteytikh politikh einai polla, einai polydiastata. Yparxoyn epimeroys politikes poy anhkoyn se antistoixoys tomeis ergasias, se antistoixa ypoyrgeia. Kai kaqe ypoyrgeio kanei to meros ths doyleias poy toy analogei ws pros to metanasteytiko.

MOSXOBAS: Pali apofeygete na apanthsete. Eipate, ws pros to maziko oxi. Alla...

PETALWTHS: Eseis qelete na sas pw oti yphrxan diafwnies. Egw sas anefera ti egine.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi. Egw sas rwthsa poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Sas thn anefera.

MOSXOBAS: Einai kata ths mazikhs nomimopoihshs kai ths kata periptwsh ejetashs opoiwn zhthmatwn prokycoyn se sxesh me kapoies sygkekrimenes kathgories h leei oxi ej arxhs se ola; Ayto rwtw.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh to exei pei se polloys tonoys kai me polloys tropoys, oti genikws kai mazikws den nomimopoieitai kanenas. Kaqe periptwsh ejetazetai xwrista, me krithrio thn eynomia.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw poso ikanopoihmenh einai h kybernhsh apo thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh poy eidame xqes, me to kybernwn komma na exei fqasei sto 25%.

PETALWTHS: Tis dhmoskophseis exoyme anaferei oti tis qewroyme ergaleia. Gnwrizoyme poly kala poia einai h pragmatikothta. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala se poso dyskoles epoxes zoyme. An apomonwnetai ena pososto, nomizw oti adikei thn idia th synqesh kai ta idia ta eyrhmata mias dhmoskophshs. H diafora me th N.D. sas ypenqymizw oti einai 5,5 monades. Einai gnwsto oti anagkazomaste kai pairnoyme epwdynes apofaseis. Einai gnwsto oti prospaqoyme na jekaqarisoyme, na empneysoyme kai na epikoinwnhsoyme ston aplo polith, oti yparxei prooptikh kai einai poly shmantiko ayto. Kai fysika thn opoia dhmoskophsh, giati yparxoyn ki alles dhmoskophseis, thn blepoyme ypo ayto to prisma. Ypo thn ennoia ayth, to oti to PASOK - an prepei na mpw se tetoies leptomereies - einai prwto komma me megalh diafora apo th N.D., h opoia ennoeitai oti eisprattei akribws ayth thn anypolhcia kai anajiopistia ths, einai ikanopoihtiko gia mas. Ekeino omws poy qa einai ikanopoihtiko gia emas, einai to na mporesoyme na staqoyme sta podia mas opws prepei, na staqoyme san xwra kai na jediplwsoyme oles ekeines tis politikes mas poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn empneysh ston aplo polith, poy qa deijoyn olo to eyros ths prooptikhs poy exoyme san xwra. Otan oi megales allages poy sxediasame kai hdh arxisan na ylopoioyntai, qa paragoyn kai ta antistoixa apotelesmata. Kai fysika ola krinontai kai se mia sygkyria, opoy yparxei mia anastatwsh sto xwro ths ygeias, yparxei anastatwsh stis astikes sygkoinwnies. H aneyqynothta sygkekrimenwn omadwn, kai den anaferomai syllhbdhn se oloys osoi apergoyn, dhmioyrgei mia katastash poly dyskolh gia osoys zoyn kai sto lekanopedio alla kai sth xwra oloklhrh. Kai ola ayta einai paragontes kai parametroi poy prepei na synypologizei kaneis diabazontas mia dhmoskophsh sto sygkekrimeno xroniko shmeio.

KOYTRAS : Qelw na sas kanw arxika dyo erwthseis gia ta ypobryxia: Qelw na sas rwthsw an meta tis apokalyceis toy Spiegel protiqetai h kybernhsh na diereynhsei, isws kai me ejetastikh epitroph, to qema.

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa, xqes, oxi gia thn ejetastikh alla genikws ti ginetai me ta dhmosieymata toy Spiegel gia ta ypobryxia. Kai poly ektenestera, apo mena exei apanthsei o k. Benizelos me dhlwseis poy ekane. O,ti yparxei anoixto to diereynoyme. Den perimename kapoio dhmosieyma gia na to ereynhsoyme. Hdh to qema to ereyna h Dikaiosynh, to ereyna to SDOE poy kanei mia shmantikh ereyna panw s' ayta. Fysika to Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs  Amynas symmetexei amesa s' ayth thn diereynhsh alla epikoyrika kai to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. To oti qa diereynoyme otidhpote peftei sthn antilhch mas kai poy exei na kanei kai me to teleytaio eyrw toy ellhna polith, einai jekaqaro. Den exoyme na kalycoyme tipota, den fobomaste tipota. Yparxoyn qesmoi poy diereynoyn ta panta. Gi' ayto eimaste sigoyroi kai hsyxoi.

KOYTRAS : Qelw na sas rwthsw, an gnwrizete na moy apanthsete, an h kyria Stah exei asymbibasto me to site to opoio exei kai poso hqiko einai, akomh ki an den exei asymbibasto, to site to opoio exei dhmioyrghsei h idia na pairnei kratikh diafhmish.

PETALWTHS: Mporeite na rwthsete sthn ERT opoy ergazetai.

KOYTRAS : Gia thn kratikh diafhmish den nomizw oti einai armodia h ERT.

PETALWTHS: Mporeite na rwthsete sthn ERT opoy - epanalambanw - ergazetai.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-2012561271-1297200310=:19301--


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