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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-02-21

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 21 Febroyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 317590644

Ekdosh 1

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Febroyarioy 2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H Ellada antimetwpizei shmera mia shmantikh proklhsh: Na apokthsoyn jana ormh kai pnoh oi dhmioyrgikes ths dynameis. Na apegklwbistoyn apo ena asfyktiko plaisio sto opoio eixan anagkastei na leitoyrgoyn. Ena plaisio poy se syndyasmo me xronies domikes diastreblwseis kai kakodiaxeirish twn dhmosiwn ypoqesewn - katastrofikh malista diaxeirish, eidika sthn periodo ths N.D.- prokalesan mia taytoxronh krish xreoys, elleimmatos kai ajiopistias ths xwras.

Kinhqhkame amesa se ola ta metwpa, xrhsimopoiwntas kai ajiopoiwntas ola ta diaqesima ergaleia.

Eimaste pleon, ajiopistoi synomilhtes kai ayto, oyte aytonohto htan, oyte eykolo. Ayto den prepei kaneis na mh to skeftetai.

Epilogh mas einai na estiazoyme stis megales diarqrwtikes allages me mia prwtofanh paragwgh nomoqetikwn kai politikwn prwtoboyliwn, dieykolynontas thn kaqhmerinh leitoyrgia ths ergasias twn epixeirhsewn, tis ependyseis kai to strathgiko toys sxediasmo kai thn anaptyjh, wste na mh xaqei oyte mia eykairia paragwghs wfelimoy ploytoy gia tis idies tis epixeirhseis kai th xwra.

Allazoyme thn kaqhmerinothta twn politwn me thn hlektronikh diakybernhsh, thn plhrh diafaneia, thn prosbash se epipleon epaggelmata me to anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn. Para tis dyskolies, h sygkrathmenh aisiodojia fainetai na apokta xeiropiasto periexomeno. Den ypoxwrei h boylhsh mas kai oi desmeyseis pros toys polites gia th synexeia ths orqologikhs, oikonomikhs diaxeirishs. Yparxei mia kinhsh oikonomikhs logikhs, anagnwrishs twn prospaqeiwn mas kai oxi gennaiodwrias apo toys etairoys kai toys tritoys.

H Ellada brisketai sto swsto dromo. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai to blepoyn oi pantes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ola ayta ta diaqesima ergaleia poy xrhsimopoihsate eprepe na ta maqoyme apo ton Stros-Kan;

PETALWTHS: Ti ennoeite;

SIDERHS: Anaferomai sto xqesino dhmosieyma ths ``Kaqhmerinhs'' oti o Stros-Kan exei dhlwsei pws o k. Papandreoy apo to Dekembrio eixe zhthsei th syndromh toy DNT. Emeis den to gnwrizame ayto.

PETALWTHS: Epeidh einai ena qema poy syzhtietai aytes tis hmeres, qa prepei epiteloys na apokthsoyme sobarothta. Ennoeitai, den anaferomai se esas. Alla, th sobarothta qa prepei na thn apokthsoyme oloi mas. Jafnika, ek toy asfaloys kai otan hdh exoyme lysei proswrina tis daneiakes mas anagkes kai exoyme ta 110 dis eyrw, ws sigoyria gia thn kalych twn anagkwn ths xwras mas, erxomaste kai diylizoyme ton kwnwpa. Erxomaste shmera na anakalycoyme oti apo to Dekembrio toy 2009, o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy synomiloyse me ton Stros-Kan kai ayto htan kryfo.

Egw qa sas parapemcw se dhmosieymata ekeinhs ths epoxhs. Efhmerida ``Eleyqerotypia'' 11 Dekembrioy 2009: ``Xaramada prosfyghs sto DNT anoigei h kybernhsh'' -sas diabazw to dhmosieyma- ``me ton proedro ths eyrwzwnhs Gioynker, ton proedro ths epitrophs Mparozo, ton Bretano Prwqypoyrgo Mpraoyn, th Soyhdikh Proedria, alla kai ton Proedro toy DNT Ntominik Stros-Kan epeidh einai sosialisths kai palios filos, opws espeyse na prosqesei o k. Petalwths, gia na dinei entypwseis kai erwthmata, an oxi symperasmata, eixe epikoinwnies o k. Papandreoy''.

Epishs, efhmerida ``Kaqhmerinh'', 11 Dekembrioy 2009: ``Sthrijh Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs zhthse o Papandreoy. Sto Symboylio Koryfhs tonise pws h Ellada den exei ta problhmata ths Islandias h toy Ntoympai''. Anaferw xarakthristiko apospasma ths apestalmenhs stis Bryjelles, Dwras Antwnioy: ``Endeiktiko ths pieshs poy yfistatai h Aqhna gia thn oikonomia, einai oti prin th metabash toy k. Papandreoy stis Bryjelles, eixe prohghqei me dikh toy prwtoboylia, thlefwnikh epikoinwnia me ton epikefalhs toy DNT k. Ntominik Stros-Kan, ston opoio o Prwqypoyrgos anelyse tis kinhseis stis opoies prokeitai na probei braxyproqesma h kybernhsh. Thlefwnikes epikoinwnies eixe epishs me th Soyhdikh Proedria, me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs Zoze Manoyel Mparozo, me ton Bretano Prwqypoyrgo Gkornton Mpraoyn kai me ton epikefalhs ths eyrwzwnhs Zan Klont Gioynker''.

Ara, ola ayta to oti anakalyptoyme mesa apo ena ntokymanter toy gallikoy kanalioy CANAL+, to opoio qa problhqei to Martio apospasmatika kai xwris kamia epibebaiwsh, dhlwseis, analyseis kai logia toy k. Stros-Kan poy dhqen anakalyptoyn thn Amerikh shmera, oti o k. Papandreoy eixe epafes me ton k. Ntominik Stros-Kan, tis opoies emeis krybame apo ton ellhniko lao, einai poly eykolo sthn epoxh toy diadiktyoy na doyme ti legotan apo thn idia thn kybernhsh to Dekembrio toy 2009.

Gia na jekaqarisoyme ta pragmata: Den krycame pote tipote. Aytoi poy ekryban htan aytoi poy egkateleican th xwra ton Oktwbrio toy 2009, htan aytoi poy lipotaxthsan apokryptontas thn alhqeia, toso apo toys Ellhnes polites, oso kai apo toys etairoys. Analabame se mia poly dyskolh stigmh. Anakalyptame to megeqos ths krishs hmera me thn hmera. Fqasame ayto to terastio elleimma poy mas elegan dyo hmeres prin apo tis ekloges oti einai 6%, na apokalyfqei oti htan 15% kai h apokalych ginotan meta apo mhnes. O Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, sthn enarjh ths krishs jekinhse opws ofeile, kanontas to kaqhkon toy ws Prwqypoyrgos, na kanei oles ekeines tis diereynhtikes epafes me oloys toys foreis, poy qa mporoysan na symbaloyn sthn kalych twn daneiakwn mas anagkwn, me ejypnes kai systhmatikes kinhseis, etsi wste na anagkasoyme thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na skycei panw sto problhma ths xwras mas. Mia Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy tote toylaxiston, den mporoyse na antilhfqei to megeqos toy problhmatos. Einai logiko, htan akrws anagkaio o Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy na exei epafes tote kai me ton Stros-Kan kai me oloys toys alloys etairoys mas.

To na anakalyptoyme twra, dhqen, kryfes epafes poy htan fanerotates, einai toylaxiston ypokrisia. Kai eidika, otan bgainei shmera o k. Samaras kai h N.D. na poyn oti rwthsame thn kybernhsh, alla den phrame apanthsh. Poioi; Aytoi poy koroideyan systhmatika ton ellhniko lao. Aytoi poy mas odhghsan aqwrakistoys sthn krish. Aytoi oi opoioi eferan to mnhmonio sth xwra. Akomh kai shmera deixnoyn mia ypokrisia aney prohgoymenoy. Gia na antilhfqoyme poy briskomaste, gia na baloyme epiteloys ta pragmata sth qesh toys.

Oi antifaseis twn kathgoriwn einai foberes. Apo th mia, mas elegan tote ``arghsate na parete metra'', apo thn allh, mas lene ``poly prowra miloysate me to DNT'', otan jekaqara h epilogh mas htan h eyrwpaikh lysh. Ejalloy, einai se oloys poly kala gnwsto, oti sto telos den yparxei lysh DNT. Yparxei trimerhs lysh enos eyrwpaikoy mhxanismoy poy symmetexei to DNT me sygkekrimenes armodiothtes kai gia sygkekrimenoys logoys. Emeis, apo thn prwth stigmh fysika, qelame eyrwpaikh lysh, alla den qa afhname thn Ellada na ptwxeysei. Den qa kaname to xatiri kanenos apo aytoys poy miloyn shmera kai anakalyptoyn skeywries, na feroyme th xwra sth xreokopia, etsi opws mas thn paredwse h N.D. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Den prokeitai na to kanoyme gia kanena logo kai gia kanena symferon.

SIDERHS: Me sygxwreite, to krypton toy pragmatos den einai oi epafes, tis eixate allwste paradextei, mono poy legate gia texnikh bohqeia ginontai oi epafes. To krypton toy pragmatos htan to periexomeno twn epafwn.

PETALWTHS: Kai poio htan akribws to periexomeno poy htan krypto tote kai apokalyfqhke shmera;

SIDERHS: To oti eixe skopo, ap` o,ti synagetai, o k. Papandreoy na balei to DNT mesa sthn ypoqesh xrhmatodothshs ths xwras.

PETALWTHS: Apo poy to synagete ayto gia na to antilhfqw kai egw;

SIDERHS: Ap` ayta poy leei o Stros-Kan.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ayta poy leei o Stros-Kan den ta gnwrizei kaneis.

SIDERHS: Symfwna me to dhmosieyma.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn diaforetikes ekdoxes. Sthn ``Kaqhmerinh'' eidame mia ekdoxh kai shmera se allh efhmerida eidame mia allh ekdoxh. Ara, loipon, as laboyme prwta gnwsh toy ti leei o k. Stros-Kan kai meta na exoyme mia tetoia sfairikh antilhch kai apoch, oti dhqen to 2009 h kybernhsh ekane pragmata pisw apo thn plath toy ellhnikoy laoy. Emeis hmastan kai eimaste jekaqaroi apo thn prwth stigmh. To legame kai tote, to leme kai twra: Zhtoysame eyrwpaikh lysh kai epanalambanw, ennoeitai oti qa xrhsimopoioysame ola ta mesa gia na mhn ptwxeysei h xwra. Kai malista, emeis legame thn alhqeia, otan ayth h alhqeia mporei na kostize. Otan gnwrizame oti mia parapanw lejh qa mporoyse na ektinajei ta spreads sto katakoryfo. Fysika, ayto den qa hmastan diateqeimenoi na to kanoyme gia opoiondhpote, gia na mporei kapoios na milaei ena xrono meta kai ek toy asfaloys, epanalambanw, gia to ti epafes ekane o Giwrgos Papandreoy. Olos o kosmos gnwrizei poly kala oti o Giwrgos Papandreoy ekane dyo fores to gyro toy kosmoy, prokeimenoy na mhn xreokophsei h xwra mas, otan oi portes htan kleistes, otan to elleimma ajiopistias ths xwras mas, ej aitias ths N.D, htan terastio. Emeis mesa se ekeino ton kykewna, kataferame kai staqhkame sta podia mas. Ejanagkasame, oysiastika, toys etairoys mas na dhmioyrghqei aytos o eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs gia th xwra mas. Kati poy shmera einai zhtoymeno sthn Eyrwph gia thn epomenh Synodo Koryfhs.

MOSXOBAS: Kat` arxas, mia parathrhsh se ayto poy eipate, oti me kapoia dhlwsh poy qa ginontan se ekeinh thn krisimh periodo ta spreads qa ektinassontan. Den nomizw oti to apofygate ayto. Sas qymizw dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn, diarroes toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn poy elegan na pame sthn Kina, na paroyme omologa, qa ginei ``Titanikos'' klp. Ara, den to apofygate ayto. Kleinw thn parenqesh kai erxomai sto erwthma. An katalaba kala, ap` ayta poy eipate...

PETALWTHS: An ektinassontan ap` ayta, ta spreads, qa hmastan eytyxeis giati me kapoies fraseis qa ta mazeyame kiolas. Gia alloys logoys ektinassontan ta spreads. Giati to elleimma ajiopistias ths xwras htan toso terastio poy de mazeyotan.

MOSXOBAS: En pash periptwsei, ayto poy qelw na rwthsw einai to ejhs: Ap` o,ti katalaba ap` ayta poy eipate prin, synagetai to symperasma oti eseis kanate gia diapragmateytikoys logoys enanti ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, tis epafes me to DNT; Einai swsto h laqos to symperasma;

PETALWTHS: H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh prospaqoyse na antilhfqei to megeqos ths ypoxrewshs poy eixe, na sthrijei th xwra mas, daneiaka, gia na mhn kindyneyei kai h idia h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Tote, logw toy terastioy elleimmatos ajiopistias poy eixame, den mas pisteye kaneis, ws xwra. Antilambanontan kai paradexontan tis qetikes kai eilikrineis mas apoceis, alla den mas eixan empistosynh. Emeis, loipon, eprepe na kanoyme ta panta. Syzhthsame kai me thn Kina, kai me th Rwsia kai me oloys, gia to pws qa mporoyse na kalyfqei to terastio daneiako elleimma poy eixame. Den qa afhname na xreokophsei h xwra mas. Kaname ta panta gia na mhn xreokophsei kai sto telos to kataferame. Akomh kai gia diapragmateytikoys logoys, synomiloysame fysika, me toys pantes.

MOSXOBAS: To erwthma moy einai to ejhs: An exete gnwsh twn synomiliwn h an sas enhmerwse o Prwqypoyrgos ek twn ysterwn.

PETALWTHS: Gia poies synomilies;

MOSXOBAS: Me to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio.

PETALWTHS: Den hsastan sthn aiqoysa, otan parepemca ton synadelfo sas kai genikws toys synadelfoys sas se dyo dhmosieymata ths ``KAQHMERINHS'' kai ths ``ELEYQEROTYPIAS'' poy ton Dekembrio toy 2009 anaferontai sto qema kai malista anaferontai kai se dikes moy dhlwseis, oti dhladh o Prwqypoyrgos eixe epikoinwnia me ton k. Stros-Kan kai ti eipan.

MOSXOBAS: Entajei. To periexomeno den to qymamai...

PETALWTHS: Den peirazei.

MOSXOBAS: Aplws sas erwtw ean aforoyse olo to poso. To DNT sto plaisio ths troikas exei ena poly mikro pososto symmetoxhs se sxesh me to synoliko twn 110 dis. Tote oi diapragmateyseis aforoysan ena tetoioy eidoys poso 110 dis h ligotero;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola den htan diapragmateyseis. Htan syzhthseis poy ginontan kai eixame ypoxrewsh, alla kai patriwtiko kaqhkon aytes tis syzhthseis na tis kanoyme. Kai to patriwtiko kaqhkon htan na mhn afhsoyme th xwra na ptwxeysei. Einai jekaqaro. Den ginontan diapragmateyseis, den mpainame se leptomereies, enhmerwseis kaname. Kai fysika, epanalambanw, oti emeis qelame eyrwpaikh lysh. Makari h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh na mporoyse na antilhfqei apo tote to ti eprepe na prajei kai na mhn xanotan olos ekeinos o xronos, o opoios xaqhke kai kostise kai se mas kai sthn E.E. para poly.

MOSXOBAS: To poso...

PETALWTHS: Den ginotan sygkekrimenh diapragmateysh, kyrie Mosxoba.

MOSXOBAS: Kai kati teleytaio: Olo ayto to diasthma poy ginontan aytes oi epafes, me dedomenh thn oikonomikh katastash kai me dedomenh thn prooptikh ths prosfyghs mas sto DNT, me to xeri sth fwtia, pisteyete oti den sortarise kaneis apo toys oikonomikoys paragontes sth xreokopia ths Elladas; Kai ennow apo toys egxwrioys. H endexomenws kapoioi kaxypoptoi mporei na poyn ``akomh kai kybernhtikoi paragontes''.

PETALWTHS: Gia ``kybernhtikoys paragontes'', to aporriptw ek prooimioy. Giati den mporw na dianohqw kanenan kybernhtiko paragonta, ektos ean eseis gnwrizete kapoion na mas peite, oti se olh ayth thn terastia prospaqeia poy ginotan, gia na mporesoyme na staqoyme sta podia mas ws xwra, qa mporoyse na kanei sortarisma. Apo ekei kai pera, h kerdoskopia kai gnwsth einai kai oi kerdoskopoi ekanan th doyleia toys etsi opws nomizan. Giati se mia Ellada, h opoia, pragmatika, eixe mia plhrh anajiopistia, mia Ellada h opoia eprepe na kalycei, oso to dynaton syntomotera, daneiakes ths anagkes kai den mporoyse na synexisei na bgainei stis agores kai fainotan ayto to pragma, kapoioi kerdoskopoysan. Omws, to dikaiwma na kerdoskopoyn kapoioi, doqhke apo thn idia thn katastash ths xwras mas, h opoia htan pantelws anajiopisth. Gi' ayto eipa kai prohgoymenws kai to janalew, o k. Samaras qa prepei na skeftetai para poly protoy milhsei, opws kai h N.D. poy mas ebalan aqwrakistoys, poy mas katanthsan toys pleon anajiopistoys ws xwra, ws etairoys sthn E.E. Kai gi' ayton akribws ton logo dhmioyrghqhke olo ayto to ntomino twn ejelijewn.

Loipon, panw s' ayta poy mas afhse h N.D., ws xwra, pathsan oi kerdoskopoi. Kai akribws emeis, me tis energeies mas, ayto stamathsame: Na paizetai kerdoskopiko paixnidi se baros ths xwras mas. Gi' ayto akribws leme oti kataferame me poly megalo kopo na sthqei aytos o mhxanismos sthrijhs, o trimerhs mhxanismos sthrijhs gia na exoyme kalycei proswrina toylaxiston tis daneiakes mas anagkes.

PITTARAS: Mas eipate gia ta dhmosieymata. Jexasate na mas peite pantws pws ekeinh thn periodo h toylaxiston mexri ekeinh thn periodo, o k. Papandreoy einai aytos poy epanalambane oti ``lefta yparxoyn'' kai epishs ekeinh thn periodo phrate kai thn apofash - an qymamai kala - gi' ayto to bohqhma poy eixate dwsei stis asqenesteres koinwnikes tajeis. Pros ta ejw, loipon, bgazete mia eikona profanws oti ola pane kala kai oti h oikonomia bastaei gi' ayto dinoyme kai ta lefta kai sto paraskhnio - ayth einai h istoria - kanate syzhthseis gia na pame sto DNT. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Den kaname syzhthseis gia na pame sto DNT. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kaname diereynhtikes epafes gia to pws qa kalycoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes, oi opoies akomh den htan kai gnwstes. Poso mallon h adynamia mas, tote, na kalycoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes. Ekeino poy kaname htan na dwsoyme mono thn prwth dosh toy epidomatos allhleggyhs, giati pisteyame oti qa mporoysame na antepejelqoyme, prwton ayto. Kai deyteron, pros ta ejw, alimono an bgainame otan hmastan akomh stis agores kai ta spreads qymomaste pws anebainan, alimono an bgainame kai legame oti hmaste mia xwra sto xeilos ths xreokopias.

Loipon, ektos apo tis entypwseis kai apo toys fqhnoys epikoinwniakoys tropoys toys opoioys anakalyptoyn kapoioi na analysoyn shmera, ek toy asfaloys, ta pragmata, qa prepei na skeftomaste kai pws htan tote h pragmatikothta. Ean bgainame otan hmastan akomh stis agores kai legame oti h katastash einai tragikh, poy akomh den eixe jediplwqei to tragiko ths katastashs kai den eixe akomh ejakribwqei to ti mas perimene, dhladh, to baqos ths krishs poy mas eixe klhrodothsei h N.D., tote to pleon sigoyro htan pws qa boyliazame apo thn prwth stigmh. Kai malista, otan thn epoxh ekeinh den yphrxe kanenas mhxanismos poy na mas sthrizei. Synepws, den yparxei kamia antifash. Antiqetws, emeis hmastan apo thn arxh poy eipame ``pagwma twn proslhcewn'', ``jekaqarisma me toys omhroys twn stage''. Emeis hmastan poy apo ton Oktwbrio toy 2009 kataqesame ena prosxedio proypologismoy gia meiwsh toy elleimmatos 3% poy shmainei sygkekrimenes apofaseis kai mia sygkekrimenh sfixth politikh kai amesws meta ton Ianoyario toy 2010 meiwsh toy elleimmatos 4%. Ara, den xasame kaqoloy xrono. Apo thn prwth stigmh, sto plaisio toy o,ti kai oso gnwrizame, antimetwpizame thn katastash. Omws, den qa afhname tis agores pragmatika na kerdoskopoyn perissotero eis baros mas, legontas pros ta ejw ti akribws ginotan. Alla, par' ola ayta, den apokryptame oti yparxei problhma. Den apokryptame, giati den mporoysame na to apokrycoyme, tis epafes poy kanoyme, gia na mhn erqei kapoios meta apo enamish xrono kai na parejhghqei epeidh miloysame ton Dekembrio toy 2009 me ton Stros-Kan. Jekaqara pragmata.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ayrio, o k. Papandreoy exei mia para poly shmantikh synanthsh apo thn opoia endexomenws na kriqei to mellon kai toy ellhnikoy xreoys, alla kai to mellon toy monimoy mhxanismoy sthrijhs. Qa hqela na mas peite, an mporeite, me poia atzenta paei s' ayth th syzhthsh o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Shmera, ayto poy mporw na sas pw einai oti oi qeseis ths Elladas exoyn ginei gnwstes apo to Eurogroup, opws ofeilame na to kanoyme. Ekeino poy qeloyme na dwsoyme ws stigma ths dikhs mas apochs, ths dikhs mas politikhs qeshs, einai oti qa prepei h E.E. na arqei sto ycos twn peristasewn. Qa prepei epomenws na enisxyqei aytos o eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs poy einai kai mhxanismos staqerothtas gia tis eyrwpaikes xwres. Me tis draseis mas deixnoyme stoys etairoys mas oti h Ellada ergazetai systhmatika gia thn prowqhsh aytwn twn qesewn ths kai en ocei ths Synodoy Koryfhs. Exoyme qeseis poy einai kaqares. Qeloyme h Eyrwph na dwsei sth Synodo Koryfhs ths 25hs Martioy mia synolikh eyrwpaikh apanthsh poy na exei orismena xarakthristika: Thn enisxysh ths eyrwzwnhs, thn enisxysh toy eyrw, thn enisxysh ths eyrwpaikhs synoxhs kai allhleggyhs. Kai fysika exoyme na syneisferoyme, dystyxws, ayth th fora, me thn empeiria poy eixame kai exoyme akomh, sthn anagkh enos mhxanismoy sthrijhs, ton opoio, me poly kopo kai monoi mas ws xwra, mporesame kai katorqwsame telika na yparxei pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ola ayta ta bazoyme sto trapezi. Fysika, me th Germania qa syzhthqoyn kai qemata dimeroys endiaferontos, kaqws kai qemata synolikhs eyrwpaikhs politikhs.

KOYTRAS: Qa teqei kai to qema ths epimhkynshs toy ellhnikoy daneioy pros thn ka Merkel, giati polloi lene kai polla grafontai oti prospaqei o Prwqypoyrgos na aposyndesei to qema ths epimhkynshs apo th synolikh lysh poy qa doqei ton Marth.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, mia kat' arxhn apofash gia thn epimhkynsh yparxei kai sto Eurogroup, alla kai sth Synodo Koryfhs. Ayth thn apofash, emeis qeloyme na thn embaqynoyme, na th dieyrynoyme kai fysika na apobei pros ofelos ths xwras mas.

SPANOY: Opws eidate to Sabbatokyriako, ta kinhmata ``den plhrwnw'' diodia sygkekrimena, synexizoyn th drash toys. Thn Tetarth exoyme th megalh panergatikh - panelladikh apergia. Sas anhsyxoyn ola ayta; Pisteyete oti yparxoyn synqhkes gia dhmioyrgia mias genikeymenhs koinwnikhs anataraxhs;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, exoyme jekaqarisei oti to ``den plhrwnw'' gia mas den einai kinhma. Kinhma einai otidhpote exei na kanei me morfes palhs, poy na exoyn ena pragmatiko antikrisma, mia pragmatikh koinwnikh antanaklash. Kai ayta ta kinhmata na mhn sthrizontai - giati sthrizontai apo sygkekrimenoys politikoys xwroys - se enan aktibismo, o opoios einai anejodos kai o opoios kaqe allo para prowqei lyseis sobarothtas gia ta pragmata ths xwras mas. Exoyme ejhghsei poly kala ti shmainei otan den plhrwnei kapoios eisithrio stis astikes sygkoinwnies. Exoyme ejhghsei para poly kala oti to dikio poy exoyn oi katoikoi anaforika me ta diodia, prospaqoyme na to apokatasthsoyme epanadiapragmateyomenoi tis symbaseis kai menoyme ekei. Leme oti den yparxei kanenas logos na prosxwrei kaneis s' aytes tis aktibistikes ek toy asfaloys kinhseis toy ``den plhrwnw'', giati yparxei mia politikh, h opoia askeitai efarmosmena kai me pragmatikoys politikoys oroys. Kai ayto kanoyme.

Oson afora sthn apergia, einai gnwsto oti oi allages kai oi anatropes poy kanoyme einai para poly megales. Emeis leme oti aytes exoyn ws xarakthristiko thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Oi diamartyries einai dikaiwma toy kaqe polith na tis askei, alla kaqenas qa prepei na analogistei tis eyqynes toy. Giati yparxei diamartyria gia ergasiaka dedomena kai yparxei, epishs, diamartyria na mhn xaqoyn ta kekthmena kapoiwn bolemenwn. Kai epeidh, me tis allages poy kanoyme, aytoi poy jeboleyontai einai para polloi, emeis synexizoyme na tis kanoyme. Mas endiaferei h koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Mas endiaferei na bgaloyme se peras to megalo ergo poy exoyme analabei na kanoyme tis megales allages gia th xwra mas. Alla einai kai dikaiologhmeno ena toso megalos eyros allagwn posotika kai poiotika, na prokalei megales antidraseis. Ypo thn ennoia ayth, emeis dieykrinizoyme ston kosmo ti symbainei kai ejhgoyme pws o,ti kanoyme to kanoyme me gnwmona thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Oi allages aytes eprepe na ginoyn edw kai polles dekaeties. Kai tis kanoyme shmera emeis.

LIONAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sta qemata dimeroys endiaferontos poy eipate oti qa syzhthqoyn kata th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn Merkel, entassetai kai ayto gia to skandalo ths Siemens; Qa yparjei kapoia ejelijh se ayth thn ypoqesh;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia sygkekrimenh apoch kai thn exoyme ekfrasei dhmosia.

MOSXOBAS: Afoy sas dhlwsw oti eimai Olympiakos, na sas pw oti me qliboyn poly ta epeisodia ws filaqlo kai ta agwnistika kai ta ejwagwnistika. Noiwqw ntroph gi'ayta poy synebhsan. Ypo aythn thn ennoia loipon kai ws poliths qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Ti metra skopeyei na parei h kybernhsh, h Politeia gi' aythn thn ypoqesh; H Politeia einai h kaq' ylhn armodia. Astynomikoi froyroyn to ghpedo. Exei orisei kapoies dioikhseis to yfypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy. Mporeite na moy peite an skopeyete na akoloyqhsete th grammh, gia paradeigma ayto poy anefere shmera se prwinh ekpomph o k. Pagkalos, th grammh Qatser, dhladh dia bioy apobolh kapoioy o opoios ferei kapnogona h beggalika h otidhpote sto ghpedo. Qa kanete kati; Exete kanei kapoia syskech h yparxei kapoia skech panw se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti einai qlibero to oti ginontai tetoia epeisodia se ena xwro o opoios ypotiqetai oti einai xwros aqlhtismoy. Tetoioy eidoys epeisodia amayrwnoyn to opoio aqlhtiko pneyma exei apomeinei akomh sthn epoxh toy epaggelmatikoy aqlhtismoy, se ola ta epipeda. Kai fysika, ayta ta epeisodia poy eginan, einai mia eykairia pros oloys - kai pros toys aqlhtikoys paragontes kai pros tis dioikhseis twn podosfairikwn omadwn kai pros thn Politeia - na analogistoyn pragmatika poy pame. Apo ekei kai pera, ws pros to efarmosmeno kai to sygkekrimeno qema, h armodia eisaggeleas hdh syllegei yliko kai h dikaiosynh, apo oso exoyme enhmerwqei, kanei to kaqhkon ths, etsi wste na timwrhqoyn oloi osoi prokalesan ta epeisodia. To baqytero qema, omws, paramenei kai opws eipa einai epibeblhmeno na asxolhqoyn oloi me ayto to zhthma.

MOSXOBAS: O antiproedros ths kybernhshs ekane mia sygkekrimenh protash. Aythn thn skefteste; Kai ena deytero: 'Enas kybernhtikos boyleyths... .

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ayta den yparxei apofash ths kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: An to skepteste eipa, den eipa an to apofasisate.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti einai mia eykairia pros oloys na analogistoyme ti kaname kai ti qa kanoyme apo edw kai pera.

MOSXOBAS: Enas allos kybernhtikos boyleyths, o k. Kartalhs ekane mia allh protash shmera. Na diakopei to prwtaqlhma gia kapoio diasthma wste na lyqei ena qema.

PETALWTHS: Den exw ypoch moy na yparxei mia tetoia skech se politiko epipedo. O k. Kartalhs ejefrase mia apoch toy kai einai qemito.

PITTARAS: Ayta poy mas lete einai eyxes poy exoyme akoysei kai sto parelqon se alla epeisodia kai blepw na menete kai eseis stis eyxes. H Politeia ti qa kanei; Giati mas lete oti yparxei enas eisaggeleas poy kanei mia ereyna, yparxoyn kapoioi filaqloi poy mphkan se ena ghpedo.. Eseis ti qa kanete; Kai kati akomh. Eseis mas exete pei gia th dhmosia thleorash, oti ayto poy qelei na proballei einai o politismos. Ta perissotera xrhmata poy exei dwsei gia ton politismo einai ta thleoptika dikaiwmata toy Olympiakoy. Qa synexisete na ta dinete;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn armodiothtes kai kapoies apo aytes anhkoyn sth dikaiosynh kai alles sthn Politeia. Ws pros thn dikaiosynh exoyme enhmerwqei oti askei to ergo ths kai syntoma qa yparxei apotelesma. En qermw kai meta apo ena sygkekrimeno qliberotato peristatiko h Politeia den mporei na apofasizei. Anefera prohgoymenws oti yparxei pedio sto opoio h Politeia mporei na problhmatistei, na anoijei mia synolikoterh syzhthsh kai na yparjoyn apofaseis an prepei. Mexri stigmhs, menw se ayto. Ennoeitai oti se toso syntomo xroniko diasthma den mporei na yparjei politikh apofash allaghs ths politikhs mas ston aqlhtismo, einai omws mia eykairia, tetoioy eidoys qlibera epeisodia, na exoyn kai tis qetikes synepeies sto na paragoyn kai sygkekrimenes politikes kinhseis.

PITTARAS: Den milame apla gia ena peristatiko, milame gia thn eikona ths xwras sto ejwteriko. Den jerw pws to blepete eseis.

PETALWTHS: Qa prepei oloi mas na analogistoyme thn eikona ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko kai den qa prepei na perimenoyme mono apo thn Politeia. Yparxoyn oi PAE, yparxoyn oi syndesmoi filaqlwn, yparxei mia seira apo paragontes poy profanws qa prepei na epanejetasoyn th stash toys.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw ean yparxei syntonisths sthn kybernhsh. Kai poios einai.

PETALWTHS: Oloklhrwste thn erwthsh sas.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na moy peite se poion anaferotan o k. Pagkalos to prwi, sthn ekpomph toy MEGA, otan eipe oti yparxei problhma syntonismoy sthn kybernhsh. Poios einai o ypeyqynos gia to problhma elleichs syntonismoy;

PETALWTHS: Mporeite na rwthsete ton k. Pagkalo. Syntonisths sthn kybernhsh yparxei kai einai o Prwqypoyrgos. Epeidh olo ayto to diasthma yparxei mia entonh parafilologia peri syntonismoy h mh, qa hqela pragmatika na moy pei o opoiosdhpote, ean mia kybernhsh poy exei parajei toso ergo mesa se toso ligo xrono, qa mporoyse na leitoyrgei teleia se ola ta epipeda. Syntonismos yparxei. An yparjoyn kapoies arryqmies, einai qema twn idiwn twn ypoyrgwn, twn idiwn twn ypoyrgeiwn na beltiwsoyn th leitoyrgia toys. Ayto poy blepoyme ws apotelesma - kai ayto qa prepei na blepoyme sto telos - einai to an ayth h kybernhsh paragei ergo kai to ti eidoys ergo paragei. Fysika, yparxoyn pantote periqwria beltiwshs kai opoios den qa to elege ayto, sigoyra den qa miloyse eilikrina. To qema einai oti emeis paragoyme ergo se poly syntomo kai se sympyknwmeno politika xrono poy den exei paraxqei epi polles dekaeties.

KOYTRAS: Ara o k. Pagkalos anaferotan ston Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Rwthste ton k. Pagkalo.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1516190561-1298321668=:14184--


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