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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-05-04

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 4 Maioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 330404327

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING KYBERNHTIKOY EKPROSWPOY G. PETALWTH(040511)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Maioy 2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H kybernhsh proxwraei me apofasistikothta, synepeia, sxedio kai orama sth megalh eqnikh prospaqeia gia thn anatajh ths xwras. To idio prepei na analogistoyn kai oles oi politikes kai koinwnikes dynameis, kyriws oi politikes.Na analogistoyn th sobarothta twn stigmwn kai na arqoyn epiteloys sto ycos twn peristasewn.

H eyqynh afora, idiaitera, aytoys oi opoioi exoyn afierwqei afenos sth qriambeytikh diapistwsh twn gnwstwn se oloys symptwmatwn ths krishs. Mia krish sthn opoia oi idioi, en pollois, mas ebalan aqwrakistoys ws xwra kai shmera bgainoyn kai epairontai gia tis synepeies ths krishs, san na prokeitai gia shmantikh symbolh sthn antimetwpish ths. Ejisoy, afora toys epimonoys alieis dysarestwn eidhsewn kai fanatikoys manteis dysarestwn ejelijewn, oi opoies, efoson den epalhqeyontai, efeyriskontai.

O xronios kai epimonos xarakthras twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei h xwra, den epilyetai me sxolastikoy typoy perigrafh ths krishs, poy mono parabiash anoixtwn qyrwn einai sthn pragmatikothta. To megeqos kai h shmasia aytwn twn problhmatwn den sygxwroyn magikes formoyles kai aorista eyxologia. Kai malista, otan aytes oi formoyles anaballontai kai ws pros thn anakoinwsh toys.

Einai wra gia jekaqares qeseis, gia safeis protaseis poy antistoixoyn stis lyseis twn sobarwn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei h xwra. Otidhpote allo, oyte bohqaei th xwra, oyte endiaferei toys polites ths. Osoi to kanoyn, careyoyn se qola nera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes to brady, sthn thleoptikh ekpomph toy k. Lazopoyloy, to ``Al Tsantiri'', paroysiase o k. Lazopoylos ayto to kommati apo to binteo poy anaferotan o Stros Kan sthn Ellada. S` ayto to kommati o epikefalhs toy DNT leei oti otan hrqe h Ellada sto DNT, kleisame to qema molis se 15 hmeres, dioti doylecame epi mhnes me tis ellhnikes Arxes kai to kaname ypogeia. Kai qelw na rwthsw, poso kairo prin proetoimaze o Prwqypoyrgos thn eisodo mas sto DNT;

PETALWTHS: Loipon, gia na jekaqarisoyme orismena pragmata kai epeidh ayta poy legontai qa prepei na ta katanooyme kiolas kai otan efeyriskontai, ypotiqetai, apoteloyn kai megales eidhseis, toso megales poy h men N.D. ejantlhtika sthrizei thn antipoliteytikh ths praktikh panw s` aytes tis, ejairetikhs shmasias, eidhseis, alla yparxoyn kai shmera anakoinwseis twn allwn kommatwn kai kommatwn ths aristeras, poy fysika akoloyqoyn thn idia taktikh, anti na kanoyn ypeyqynes protaseis gia th swthria ths xwras. Aytes einai oi ``megales eidhseis'' poy anakalyptoyn aytoi oi kyrioi kai sth N.D. kai se alla kommata ths antipoliteyshs, poy espeysan na paroyn qesh, meta apo ayth th foberh xqesinh apokalych poy egine sthn ekpomph poy anaferate.

Emeis eimaste jekaqaroi. Prwta ap` ola, etsi opws paroysiazetai to qema, prokeitai gia kaqarh paraplhroforhsh. Prokeitai gia systhmatikh paraplhroforhsh. Prokeitai gia diastreblwsh ths alhqeias, poy prospaqei na deijei ston kosmo - ypotiqetai - kai na apodeijei oti o k. Papandreoy eixe skopo ths zwhs toy, afoy kerdise tis ekloges me 11 monades diafora apo th N.D., na mas balei sto DNT. Oti den yphrxe kanena problhma, den yphrxe kanenas logos na prosfygoyme ekei, alla enas logos poy ton efhyre to PA.SO.K. Ayto lene aytes oi analyseis, oi opoies einai aploysteytikes. Alla, oso aploysteytikes einai, allo toso epikindynes einai gia th dhmosia alhqeia.

Gnwrizoyme para poly kala, oti h xwra kindyneye na xreokophsei. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti me to poy lipotakthse h N.D. kai paredwse thn kybernhsh ths xwras, yphrxe qema na prospaqhsoyme amesa na lysoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes. Briskomastan ena bhma prin th xreokopia. Ayto shmainei oti den qa plhrwnontan ta sxoleia, ta nosokomeia, oi misqoi sto Dhmosio, oi koinwnikes paroxes, oi ependyseis poy eprepe na ginontai -estw kai aytes poy ginontai kai xrhmatodotoyntai- ston idiwtiko tomea, oti basikes yphresies ths xwras mas den qa leitoyrgoysan, oti h xwra mas qa phgaine polles dekaeties pisw.

Kai fysika, to na bgoyme stis agores kai na daneistoyme, qa htan oneiro qerinhs nyktos.

Me plhrh sobarothta, apofasistikothta, kai plhrh diafaneia - kai den xreiazotan na anakalyfqei xqes oti eixame syzhthseis me to DNT- o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, diereynoyse, opws ofeile, logw eqnikoy kaqhkontos poy eixe analabei, oles ekeines tis piqanes lyseis, etsi wste na mporesoyme na daneistoyme apo kapoy. Kai lew ``apo kapoy'' giati, as mhn jexname oti kanenas mhxanismos sthn Eyrwph den yphrxe. As mhn jexname oti hmastan pantelws anajiopistoi kai apajiwmenoi ws xwra kai kaneis sthn Eyrwph den eixe skopo na mas daneisei. Mas eixan gia mia joflhmenh xwra kai ayto to zhsame kai to gnwrizoyme para poly kala. Kati poy apokryptetai epimelws apo osoys menoyn se mia ypotiqemenh anakalych opws h xqesinh.

Me poly systhmatikh doyleia kai me plhrh diafaneia, epanalambanw, o Prwqypoyrgos, Giwrgos Papandreoy, ekane oles ekeines tis diereynhtikes proergasies, etsi wste na dhmioyrghqei enas mhxanismos, apo ton opoio kapws kai kapote qa eprepe na daneistoyme. Kai den mporoyse na htan h E.E. ayth, giati den eixe oyte tis dynameis, alla oyte ta mesa kai ta ergaleia, gia na mporei na mas daneisei. Kai gi` ayto, akribws, mesa ap` ayth th systhmatikh doyleia, proekyce h synergasia ths E.E., ths E.K.T. kai toy D.N.T., to opoio ebale kai ta ligotera se ayto to poso daneismoy twn 110 dis eyrw. Peran toytoy, se ligo qa mas miloyn gia ``ypogeies diadromes''. Se ligo qa mas poyn, dhladh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos akoloyqhse ``ypogeies diadromes'' kai ebale sto paixnidi twn ``ypogeiwn diadromwn'' kai thn Irlandia kai thn Portogalia, oi opoies epishs prosefygan sto DNT, mesa apo ena sygkekrimeno sxhma, to opoio h Ellada me tis prwtoboylies ths katafere na dhmioyrghsei.

Apo ekei kai pera, omws, yparxoyn kai ntokoymenta. Anatrexw kai lew oti:

Stis 11 Dekembrioy 2009, poly prin mpoyme s` ayto to mhxanismo sthrijhs, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos G. Papandreoy, poy ypotiqetai oti ekane ``ypogeies diadromes'', htan toso ypogeies poy se synenteyjh Typoy stis Bryjelles, poy polloi apo esas briskosastan ekei, eixe dhlwsei ``egw exw epafes kai me ton Stros Kan, epafes gia na syzhthsw th genikoterh oikonomikh katastash, gia na ajiopoihsoyme th dikh toys texnognwsia''.

Stis 11 Febroyarioy 2010 - einai makra h paraqesh apospasmatwn omiliwn toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy - kai pali se synenteyjh Typoy stis Bryjelles, dhladh enwpion enos ntopioy kai dieqnoys akroathrioy, dhlwne oti ``prwta ap` ola, na jerete oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei hdh apo kairo zhthsei th synergasia me to DNT'' klp. ``Me ayth th logikh bebaiws, emeis qa eimaste proqymoi kai qa einai xrhsimh h synergasia mas me to DNT''. Kai anefere ena paradeigma, thn paroxh - teleiws omws endeiktika kai ws paradeigma - texnikhs bohqeias poy eixe zhthqei hdh apo to DNT gia tis dioikhtikes allages, wste na mporoyme na exoyme mia pio diafanh kai apotelesmatikh leitoyrgia sthn efarmogh toy Proypologismoy mas. Pairnw aplws ena paradeigma synergasias me to DNT.

Toso ypogeia diadromh!

Yparxoyn kai alla keimena, opws sxetikh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn stis 13 Ianoyarioy 2010, opoy o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn mazi me toys armodioys genikoys grammateis toy Ypoyrgeioy toy, synanthqhke me antiproswpeia toy DNT sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, emfanestata, me deltia Typoy kai sxetikes anakoinwseis. H synanthsh egine meta apo prosklhsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn gia th syndromh toy DNT se texnika qemata. Syzhthqhke h dynatothta paroxhs bohqeias, epishs, toy DNT, se qemata forologikhs politikhs, forologikhs dioikhshs, opws kai se systhmata katartishs Proypologismoy, systhmata elegxoy, ajiologhshs dhmosiwn dapanwn ktl.

Htan toso mystikes kai ypogeies oi epafes poy ginontan apo ton Giwrgo Papandreoy!!!.

Ola, loipon, eginan dhmosia, ola eginan sto fws, ola eginan gia na ejyphrethqei o patriwtikos kai eqnikos skopos na mhn xreokophsoyme. Kai ola osa apokalyptontai, ypotiqetai, shmera, entassontai se ola ayta. Kai epeidh, akribws, ena apospasma mias ekpomphs - poy kanei th doyleia ths - h N.D. to exei anagagei se meizona politikh protash, ejairetikhs shmasias politikh kai antipoliteytikh protash kai prajh, qa hqela na pw oti: Epiteloys kai gia th N.D., alla kai gia alles politikes dynameis, opws einai o SYRIZA, ap` o,ti eida prin apo ligo, poy ebgale sxetikh anakoinwsh gia to apokalyptiko, ypotiqetai, apospasma, panw s` ayto, aytes oi prajeis ektos oti jefeygoyn teleiws apo tis synhqeis politikes praktikes dhmokratikhs diadikasias, einai kai prajeis oi opoies apoteloyn mnhmeio aneyqynothtas, skotadismoy kai elleichs oysiastikoy politikoy logoy.

To na exei mia ekpomph ena apospasma, kanei th doyleia ths. To na bgainei, omws, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs -poy meta baiwn kai kladwn, meta fanwn kai lampadwn perimenoyme mesa apo ayto to peribohto ``Zappeio 2'' na doyme ti qa proteinei gia na symballei, epiteloys, sth swthria ths xwras kai na bgoyme apo thn krish- na kanei ws kentriko shmeio antipoliteyshs ena apospasma mias ekpomphs, yioqetwntas akrita kai apokryptontas plhrws, me enan propagandistiko kai gkempelistiko tropo, ti synebaine sthn pragmatikothta sth xwra. Otan gnwrizan poly kala sth N.D. - ektos ean den diabazoyn Typo, ektos ean den parakoloyqoyn tis synenteyjeis toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Bryjelles - oti ola ayta htan emfanestata. Oti xwris na erwthqei, xwris na proklhqei, mallon, kamia tetoia anastatwsh, o idios o Prwqypoyrgos elege, pareqete tis prajeis tis opoies kanei, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na broyme ena daneiako apokoympi, otan to xreiazotan amesa h xwra.

As stamathsei, loipon, h N.D. kai o perigyros ths kai osoi anaparagoyn olo ayto to propagandistiko ths paralhrhma, ayto to paramyqi, pragmatika, giati h xwra exei anagkh apo mia oysiastikh politikh syzhthsh. Exei anagkh apo diafaneia, apo alhqeia, alla kai apo paradoxh sygkekrimenwn politikwn prajewn eyqynhs, opws htan h prajh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy.

Ayta ta liga, an kai eipa polla, giati exoyme na poyme akomh perissotera, gi' ayto to mnhmeio ypokrisias.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh anaferqhkate s' ayto polles fores dhladh sth lejh ``ypogeiws'', th lejh ``ypogeiws'' den xrhsimopoihse h N.D. Einai h akribhs metafrash twn oswn anaferei o k. Stros-Kan.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, etsi opws egine h metafrash, exei kai elleiceis. Den anaferomai s' aytes. O k. Stros-Kan gia toys dikoys toy logoys bgainei kai paraqetei thn katastash, etsi opws ypotiqetai oti egine. Alla, poly piqanon, o k. Stros-Kan na ennoei alla ``ypogeiws'' kai h N.D. thn ekane shmaia ayth th lejh.

Kai egw sas apodeiknyw oti ayth h syzhthsh den xreiazotan na ginei shmera. Ola ayta einai dhmosieymena, dhmosiopoihmena. Malista, einai poly piqano na exei proklhqei apo dikh sas erwthsh, kyrie Koytra h allwn eklektwn synadelfwn sas, h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Mhn jexnate oti o Prwqypoyrgos ebgaine kai elege, dyo mhnes meta thn analhch ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK kai xwris na proklhqei apo kanenan, oti ``egw exw epafes me to Dieqnes Nomismatiko Tameio''. Kai malista, eixe pei o Prwqypoyrgos se allo shmeio oti ``se ligo qa me kathgorhsoyn kai gia prodoth, poy eixa epafes me to D.N.T., gia na mporoyme na broyme daneika kai na swsoyme th xwra''. Eixe de pei xarakthristika ``as mas ferei ta daneika h N.D., o k. Samaras h o k. Roysopoylos h o k. Boylgarakhs, gia na mporesoyme na staqoyme san kratos, na mhn ptwxeysoyme kai kanena D.N.T. kai kamia troika den qa mas xreiazotan''.

Ola ayta entassontai mesa sthn sklhrh propaganda, h opoia apotelei ejapathsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, gia osoys anaferontai kakoproaireta oti ``to mnhmonio einai h symfora ths xwras mas''. Apokryptoyn oti to mnhmonio safws kai den htan politikh epilogh mas. Apokryptoyn oti to mnhmonio mas to efere h N.D. poy byqise th xwra sto skotadi kai thn lehlathse sthn kyriolejia toso se oikonomiko epipedo, oso kai se epipedo anqrwpinoy dynamikoy kai politikoy proswpikoy. Kai erxontai, loipon, shmera na mas milhsoyn gia mnhmonio, gia ``ypogeies diadromes'' kai gia ``ejapathsh toy ellhnikoy laoy''. Poioi; Aytoi oi opoioi hsan episthmones stis ypogeies diadromes, ston gkempelismo, sthn kataspatalhsh toy dhmosioy xrhmatos kai oi opoioi eferan th xwra sto xeilos ths xreokopias. Kai erxontai shmera kai zhtoyn ta resta;

H dikh mas antiparaqesh synistatai sta osa akrita kai kakoproaireta yioqetoyn oi politikes dynameis, oi opoies den exoyn th stoixeiwdh ypeyqynothta na antimetwpisoyn katamata thn alhqeia.

SIDERHS: Den isxyoyn ayta poy lete, kyrie Ekproswpe. O k. Papandreoy eixe milhsei gia ``texnognwsia'' kai eixe pei ``synergazomaste gia texnikh bohqeia se dioikhtikes allages''. Ayto einai diaforetiko apo to ``daneiste mas'', opote tiqetai ena qema hqikhs ths politikhs, me thn ennoia ths alhqeias pros ton lao. Kai deyteron, tiqetai kai qema eyqykrisias, giati thn idia epoxh poy legate ``daneiste mas'', enw ejw legate oti prokeitai gia ``texnognwsia'', thn idia epoxh dinate kai to epidoma koinwnikhs allhleggyhs. Den blepete na antikroyontai ayta ta dyo;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia antikroysh. Giati eseis ti eipate; Eipe o k. Stros-Kan oti oi ``ypogeies diadromes'' einai mono gia ton daneismo; Prokyptei apo poyqena, akomh kai ap' ayta poy leei o k. Stros-Kan, oti oi synennohseis ginontan mono gia daneismo kai oxi gia otidhpote allo;

SIDERHS: Ma kai to apotelesma mono einai fanero oti oi syzhthseis hsan gia na daneistoyme.

PETALWTHS: Kanete laqos. Eipa prohgoymenws oti to apotelesma fanhke apo thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn poy sas diabasa, oti ton Ianoyario kai sygkekrimena stis 13 Ianoyarioy toy 2010 erxotan to D.N.T. na mas prosferei texnognwsia. Gia poio apotelesma eseis milate; Kai en pash periptwsei, to apotelesma -epanalambanw- htan na breqoyn ta daneika, ta 110 dis poy xreiazomastan, gia na mporei shmera na yparxei ellhniko kratos. Opoios mporei na to antilhfqei ayto, kalws to antilambanetai. Opoios to diastreblwnei, einai dikaiwma toy, alla qa prepei na koitazei kai ton kosmo katamata.

'Olh ayth h synwmosiologia peri toy oti ``o Papandreoy etoimaze thn eisdoxh mas sto D.N.T.'' - gia poion logo arage; Den mas ton lene - peftei sto keno. Giati emeis qelame na exoyme thn anagkh na exoyme daneistes; Qelame na exoyme thn anagkh na exoyme mnhmonio; Einai dynaton na ginotan ayto; To programma toy PASOK einai toso ploysio poy eixame kai exoyme na kanoyme tosa polla - malista to efarmozoyme en pollois kai ypo poly dyskoles synqhkes - poy den xreiazomastan tipote kai kanenan allon na mas pei ti qa kanoyme. Otan omws eprepe amesa na broyme 110 dis, as erqoyn aytoi oi opoioi shmera mas katakrinoyn kai anakalyptoyn ``ypogeies diadromes'', oles aytes tis ``synwmosies'' kai to ``kako mnhmonio'', na mas poyn poy qa ta briskame.

As frontize h N.D. toy k. Samara - giati o k. Samaras htan tote ypoyrgos Politismoy, den hrqe shmera apo to ``poyqena'' - na mhn boyliajoyn to kratos, na mhn paraplana ton lao o idios o k. Samaras, molis tesseris mhnes prin tis ekloges, opws sas diabasa xqes, oti ``hmaste qwrakismenh ws xwra'' sthn krish poy erxotan, oti ``to elleimma mas htan 4%'', giati ayta elege o k. Samaras. As mhn ejapatoysan, loipon, tote ton ellhniko lao. As epairnan ta metra kai tis apofaseis tote poy eprepe. As mhn kybernoysan me th logikh toy k. Karamanlh ``as' to gia argotera''.

Kai h apanthsh poy zhthsa xqes apo ton k. Samara, akomh erxetai. Giati h apanthsh poy moy doqhke einai oti o k. Samaras htan tote ypoyrgos Politismoy kai den gnwrize ta pragmatika stoixeia ths oikonomias. To oti den symmeteixe sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, to pisteyw, giati Ypoyrgiko Symboylio den ginotan epi N.D. Alla, ean oi ypoyrgoi ths N.D. den eixan th stoixeiwdh gnwsh ths krisimothtas ths katastashs sth xwra mas kai to poy phgainame kai oti badizame ston gkremo, e, tote, nomizw oti den hsan ajioi na einai ypoyrgoi toy ellhnikoy kratoys.

As mas apanthsei, loipon, o k. Samaras prwta s' ayto kai meta na xarakthrizoyn ton kybernhtiko ekproswpo ws ``Kloyzw'' poy ``anakalyptei''. ``Kloyzw'' mallon einai oloi mazi aytoi oi opoioi xqes anakalycan thn Amerikh kai thn anakalyptoyn kai shmera.

PIKOYLAS: Ef' oson hlqate sthn ejoysia ton Noembrh toy 2009 kai to prwto melhma sas htan na lysete tis daneiakes sas anagkes, giati den akoloyqhsate thn pepathmenh kai twn prohgoymenwn kybernhsewn, na daneisteite, afoy to spread tote htan poly xamhlo kai ftasame se mia katastash na milame me to D.N.T. kai meta na anebei to spread kai meta na anagkastoyme na pame sto mnhmonio;

PETALWTHS: Ean mas elege kapoios poy qa briskame na daneistoyme 110 dis eyrw, osa dhladh xreiazontan gia na kalycoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes...

PIKOYLAS: Kai twra ta phrate ta 110 dis;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws ta pairnoyme.

PIKOYLAS: Se doseis, oxi ola mazi.

PETALWTHS: Nai, alla ta pairnoyme mesa apo mia sygkekrimenh symbash. To na daneisteis shmera 5 dis kai na mhn jereis ti qa kaneis ayrio, poy einai xarakthrismenes xronologika oi daneiakes mas anagkes, einai mia koroidia kai mia ejapathsh. Edw milame gia ena kratos, gia mia ypeyqynh kybernhsh, poy gnwrize oti ean den ebriske mesa s' enan safws prosdiorismeno xroniko orizonta, me mia sygkekrimenh symbash kai me sygkekrimenoys oroys, to apaitoymeno poso twn 110 dis eyrw, den qa mporoyse na dromologhsei tis leitoyrgies toy idioy toy kratoys.

As mas ebriskan, loipon, aytoi oi opoioi koptontai shmera, apo poy alloy qa mporoysame na daneistoyme me kalyteroys oroys - kaqontai kai lene shmera oti kapoioi daneisthkan me kalyteroys oroys- kai me kalyteres synqhkes, xwris mnhmonio kai na to kaname. Alla den mas eipe tote kaneis tipote, oyte kaneis mas leei shmera kati analogo.

MALTEZOY: H Portogalia symfwnhse s' ena paketo diaswshs, poy fainetai na exei pio eynoikoys oroys, na einai pio hpio ap' ayto ths Elladas kai ths Irlandias. Ayto shmainei oti twra h Ellada qa diapragmateyqei gia eynoikoteroys oroys epishs me thn troika;

PETALWTHS: Shmeiwsa kata th diatypwsh ths erwthshs sas th lejh ``fainetai''. Den gnwrizoyme akribws toys oroys toy daneismoy ths Portogalias. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Gia mas, einai qetiko poy oloklhrwqhke h syzhthsh ths Portogalias me thn troika, pros kalych twn daneiakwn anagkwn ths. Einai, epishs, shmantiko oti ginetai ayth h synennohsh apo mia yphresiakh kybernhsh toy k. Sokrates, opoy oi politikes dynameis ths Portogalias, me plhrh ypeyqynothta kai me plhrh syneidhtopoihsh ths katastashs sthn opoia brisketai h xwra toys, bohqoyn kai sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh, se antiqesh me tis perissoteres politikes dynameis ths xwras mas, poy dinoyn pragmatika ejetaseis me arista apotelesmata sthn aneyqynothta. Kai nomizw oti kapoioi oi opoioi epikaloyntai thn Irlandia kai thn Portogalia, qa prepei na blepoyn synolika to ti ginetai s' aytes tis xwras.

Apo ekei kai pera, ean oi synqhkes daneismoy ths Portogalias einai kalyteres, oi yfistamenes synqhkes s' ayth th xwra einai diaforetikes. Kai ta stoixeia ths portogalikhs oikonomias einai diaforetika. Milame gia dyo diaforetikes xwres.

Kai makari na mporoyme na beltiwnoyme se eyrwpaiko epipedo tis synqhkes daneismoy, gia na mporoyme ki emeis na exoyme to dikaiwma na zhtame elafrynseis apo ton daneismo poy exoyme. Kati poy emeis, omws, to exoyme hdh kanei. As mhn jexname oti sth Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E. ths 25hs Martioy petyxame epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs toy daneioy twn 110 dis kai meiwsh toy epitokioy. Kai fysika, menei anoikth h prospaqeia mas na beltiwnoyme akomh perissotero toys oroys toy daneismoy mas kai enos daneismoy poy exei hdh ginei. Oso apodeiknyoyme oti eimaste ajiopistoi, giati kaneis den mas xarizetai, tote h elafrynsh toy ellhnikoy kratoys, mesa apo tis daneiakes symbaseis, qa einai akomh megalyterh h en pash periptwsei qa einai poly pio maxhth ap' o,ti htan.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela na rwthsw, epeidh epanerxetai shmera h efhmerida ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'' poy exei anoijei mia idiotyph kontra me ton ypoyrgo Epikrateias, ton k. Pampoykh, gia to qema toy Katar, to ena epixeirhma ths efhmeridas, to opoio edrazetai se pragmatiko gegonos, einai mia dhlwsh toy k. Pampoykh, an qymamai kala 28/2, me thn opoia elege se synenteyjh Typoy oti den qa doqei me diagwnismo h ependysh toy Ellhnikoy, giati s' ayth thn periptwsh oi Katarinoi qa apoxwrhsoyn. Xqes, o k. Pampoykhs dhlwse oti den qa pame se ap' eyqeias anaqesh, alla meletame ton tropo poy qa epilejoyme gia na anaqesoyme ayto to ergo. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, telika;

PETALWTHS: Anafereste sthn anaqesh ths omadas Aqempigio; Prwta ap' ola, milame gia mia prwth fash toy ergoy kai den milame gia ylopoihsh toy idioy toy ergoy. Pragma poy shmainei pws qa akoloyqhqoyn oi nomimes diadikasies, alla den egine kamia ap' eyqeias anaqesh se kamia omada toy k. Aqempigio toy ergoy synolika. To ergo einai poly megalo, exei synqetes diadikasies, exei polles faseis sxediasmoy kai ylopoihshs kai mexri stigmhs milame gia thn prwth fash poy einai o sxediasmos.

MOSXOBAS: Milame gia thn anaqesh toy ergoy toy Ellhnikoy. To mnhmonio poy ypegrafh ton perasmeno Septembrio sth Nea Yorkh, metajy toy k. Pampoykh kai toy omologoy toy, toy Katar, problepei mia seira dieykolynsewn gia to Katar. Meta thn ypografh toy mnhmonioy, ton perasmeno Flebarh an qymamai kala, o k. Pampoykhs milwntas gia thn anaqesh toy ergoy toy Ellhnikoy stoys Katarinoys, eipe oti den qa pame me diagwnismo, dioti alliws, s' ayth thn periptwsh qa fygoyn, den qa endiaferontai pleon oi Katarinoi, den qa yparxei endiaferon apo thn pleyra twn Katarinwn. Afhse na ennohqei h to eipe eyqews oti qa pame se ap' eyqeias anaqesh. Xqes, eipe kati allo, oti den syzhtame gia ap' eyqeias anaqesh toy ergoy, alla meletame ton tropo me ton opoio qa ginei o diagwnismos. Erwtw, poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, ep' aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Xqes, o k. Pampoykhs proebh se mia analytikh apanthsh gia ola ayta. Kai anaferomai sthn protash toy k. Pampoykh, o opoios rwthqhke kata koron kai ejantlhtika.

Ayto poy qelw na pw egw, einai to ejhs: Prwta ap' ola, den exoyn teleiwsei oi diadikasies. Ayth th stigmh einai kai prowro to na syzhtame genikotera gia to ergo. Otidhpote yparxei, o k. Pampoykhs to exei analysei, ws armodios ypoyrgos, o opoios exei kai thn eyqynh ths ylopoihshs aytoy toy poly megaloy sxedioy, poy afora thn Attikh. Enos sxedioy poy se kapoies faseis toy kai se kapoies periptwseis, isws, proslabei pilotiko xarakthra gia olh th xwra mas, eidikotera oson afora to krisimo triptyxo: ependyseis, anaptyjh, qeseis ergasias. Kai otan qa yparjoyn leptomereies, qa anakoinwqoyn.

Ekeino, omws, poy mporw na sas pw me bebaiothta, einai oti h arxh ths nomimothtas den prokeitai na parakamfqei. Kai na qeloyme na thn parakamcoyme, yparxei dieqnes endiaferon. Oi pantes gnwrizoyn pws mporei na mplokaristei ena ergo, gia to opoio den akoloyqoyntai oi nomimes diadikasies. Epanalambanw, de, gia pollosth fora, pws to monadiko krithrio gia thn ylopoihsh aytoy toy ergoy einai to dhmosio symferon, me o,ti ayto perilambanei kai o,ti ayto synepagetai.

MOSXOBAS: Qa ginei diagwnismos, moy lete. Enos eidoys diagwnismos.

PETALWTHS: Opws antilambaneste, den mporw na sas pw leptomereies gia to ergo. O k. Pampoykhs anaferqhke leptomerws kai sas parapempw sta osa eipe o ypoyrgos Epikrateias, o opoios einai armodios. Kinei to ergo kai to kinei me ton kalytero tropo gia to dhmosio symferon.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh sas ejhghsa oti yparxei mia antifash sta osa eipe o k. Pampoykhs...

PETALWTHS: Egw den blepw antifash.

MOSXOBAS: ...Sth mia einai oti qa yparjei ap` eyqeias anaqesh giati alliws qa fygoyn oi Katarianoi, h allh einai oti den qa yparxei...

PETALWTHS: Ayta poy lete einai apospasmatika. O k. Pampoykhs apanthse synolika. Den yparxei kamia antifash ep` aytoy.

MOSXOBAS: Qa yparjei ap` eyqeias anaqesh h oxi; Ayto mporei na to pei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Dikaiwma sas einai na qetete erwthseis, egw, omws, den mporw na apantw apospasmatika. Sas eipa oti einai ena megalo kai synqeto ergo. Exei polles faseis sxediasmoy ylopoihshs. Einai erga poy qa oloklhrwnontai kai qa pername se allh fash toy ergoy. Ara, sas eipa oti me apolyto sebasmo sth nomimothta kai sto dhmosio symferon h xwra qa akoloyqhsei to sxediasmo kai thn ylopoihsh aytoy toy ergoy. Otan anadeiknyontai oi faseis qa anadeiknyontai kai oi tropoi, toy pws qa ylopoihqei.

MOSXOBAS: Na to rwthsw alliws. H ap` eyqeias anaqesh mporei na odhghsei se mplokarisma twn ergwn;

PETALWTHS: H mh nomimothta mporei na odhghsei se mplokarisma. Alla, sas eipa oti den prokeitai na parakamcoyme th nomimothta. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

PITTARAS: Gia na mh breqoyme se merikoys mhnes kai syzhtame jana gia ``ypogeies diadromes'', bgei kapoios ajiwmatoyxos kai kanei kapoies antistoixes dhlwseis, qelete na mas peite, ean sthn paroysa fash o Prwqypoyrgos synomilei me jenoys hgetes h alloys oikonomikoys paragontes eite gia na pame se mia eynoikh lysh anadiarqrwshs eite na thn apofygoyme.

PETALWTHS: Einai jekaqaro. Eipame oti den syzhtame gia anadiarqrwsh. Oi syzhthseis kai oi epafes poy ginontai me jenoys hgetes einai taktikes kai ayto armozei na kanei enas Prwqypoyrgos, me dieqnh embeleia, opws einai o Giwrgos Papandreoy. Opoios Prwqypoyrgos endiaferetai gia th xwra toy, opoios Prwqypoyrgos mporei na exei aytes tis epafes me thn analogh embeleia stis apoceis toy, bohqaei th xwra. Kai ayto einai poly shmantiko. H anadiarqrwsh den mas afora. Exoyme epanalabei, polles fores, oti h anadiarqrwsh qa eixe blaptikes synepeies, to exei pei o idios Prwqypoyrgos, to exei pei o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Exoyme na kanoyme ena eqniko ergo. Emeis ylopoioyme toys stoxoys poy qetoyme. Beltiwnomaste ws pros thn ylopoihsh kai thn taxythta ylopoihshs twn stoxwn. Ayto einai twra to monadiko mas melhma. Kai ola ayta ginontai gia na mporei h xwra mas na exei synqhkes daneismoy, oso to dynaton pio elafries. Gia na mporei h xwra mas me poly pio eykolo tropo na apoplhrwnei ta xreh ths poy dystyxws einai para polla, alla kai na askei thn politikh poy exei programmatisei se ola ta epipeda.

MOSXOBAS: Exete pei polles fores oti h anadiarqrwsh den sas afora, ws kybernhsh. H epimhkynsh toy xreoys sas afora; Toy synolikoy xreoys, oxi twn 110 dis poy eipe proxqes o k. Papakwnstantinoy. H epimhkynsh kai h beltiwsh twn orwn toy synolikoy xreoys ths xwras, den mas afora;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy syzhtame kai ayto poy mas afora amesa, einai h ylopoihsh twn stoxwn poy exoyme qesei kai tipote allo.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate. Kai mia akomh erwthsh ep` aytoy. O k. Papakwnstantinoy xqes se mia thleoptikh toy synenteyjh eipe oti sthn esxath periptwsh poy den qa exoyme kataferei na bgoyme stis agores, qa mpoyme sto mhxanismo sthrijhs poy exei ftiajei h E.E. Ayto einai to mellon poy prepei na perimenoyme, na bgoyme apo ton enan mhxanismo, na mpoyme ston allo;

PETALWTHS: Gi` ayto lew oti ayto to opoio exoyme ws melhma ayth th stigmh, einai na mporoyme na ylopoioyme toys stoxoys mas. Oso ylopoioyme toys stoxoys mas, oso efarmozoyme tis apofaseis poy exoyme labei, oso mporoyme kai paleyoyme me mia dyskampth kratikh mhxanh, poy epi polles dekaeties exei synhqisei na leitoyrgei diaforetika, oso allazoyme nootropies kai ws polites, alla kai emeis oi politikoi, tote pragmatika, proxwrame swsta. Kai to swsto gia mas exei mia synepeia, ena apotelesma: Na mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores, oso to dynaton syntomotera, gia na yparxei ayth h omalopoihsh ths kalychs twn daneiakwn mas anagkwn. Ayto prospaqoyme, ayto epixeiroyme. An fqasoyme se shmeio poy na mhn mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores, tote einai ena allo zhthma. Ayth th stigmh, omws, kanoyme ayto. Epanalambanw gia na mhn parejhghqw oti den syzhtame thn anadiarqrwsh, aporriptoyme kaqe tetoio senario. H anadiarqrwsh einai blaptikh gia th xwra. Stoxos mas einai enas: Na ylopoioyme osa exoyme qesei ws skopoys.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, exei dhmioyrghqei ena qema me toys syntajioyxoys boyleytes poy zhtoyn anadromika. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs panw se ayto;

PETALWTHS: H qesh ths kybernhshs exei ekfrastei oxi twra, poy einai mia periodos krishs, alla se anypopto xrono stis 8-11- 2006 otan o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos kai tote arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs G. Papandreoy eixe ekfrasei thn apoch oti ``den prepei na epidiwketai h katabolh xrhmatwn se mia periodo -sas diabazw xarakthristiko apospasma- opoy megales koinwnikes omades yfistantai entona oikonomika problhmata. Yparxei apo th mia pleyra o typos ths dikaiosynhs alla yparxei kai h oysia toy dikaioy se mia dikaih koinwnia''.

Poy aploystata, elege oti mporei men na exoyn dikaiwma oi tews boyleytes na prosfeygoyn gia thn katabolh twn anadromikwn, alla yparxei kai h oysia toy dikaioy, se mia epoxh koinwnikhs anastatwshs kai krishs. Fantasteite, oti ayta ta elege o Prwqypoyrgos to 2006 poso mallon shmera to 2011, opoy kaloyntai oloi oi polites na symballoyn, me thn proswpikh toys qysia, sthn ejodo apo thn krish. Einai jekaqaro oti prwtoi ap' oloys toys polites qa prepei na symballoyn se ayto oi boyleytes kai ayto isxyei kai gia toys prwhn boyleytes.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto qema toy Ellhnikoy. Qa hqela dyo dieykriniseis, epeidh h efhmerida Eleyqerotypia, shmera, epanerxetai kai leei oti eixe epikoinwnhsei me treis koinotikoys organismoys oi opoioi diabebaiwnoyn oti parakoloyqoyn to ergo, ejakoloyqeite na diabebaiwnete oti den yparxei kamia emplokh ths Germanias; Kai ena deytero gia th qesh toy k. Aqempigio s' ayth thn perifhmh etaireia. Mhpws mporeite na mas ejhghsete, an telika einai ypallhlos, metoxos, dieyqynwn symboylos, idryths, proedros, ti akribws einai;

PETALWTHS: Epimenw sta osa anefera xqes kai sta osa eipe analytika o k. Pampoykhs. Ek toy perissoy, sas lew oti ayth h etairia einai ena morfwma sto opoio symmetexei o k. Aqempigio, me ton tropo poy symmetexei, symmetexoyn omws kai alloi foreis. Kai ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai sto telos na diafylajoyme ta symferonta toy dhmosioy. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

GARGALAKOS: Xqes, sth Boylh, o boyleyths ths N.D., k. Zwhs, eipe oti den qa chfisei to 40wro gia to dhmosio tomea, profanws h N.D. den qa to chfisei. Ep` aytoy, qa hqela to diko sas sxolio.

PETALWTHS: Xqes, sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs, syzhtoyntan qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to ellhniko dhmosio kai otan h kybernhsh fernei protash kai nomo poy epiteloys ejiswnetai to wrario twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn me ayto twn ergazomenwn ston idiwtiko tomea, stis 40 wres, h N.D. jekinhse me thn prwth paroxh ths, thn prwth ejaggelia toy ``Zappeio 2'' xqes sthn Epitroph. Giati ayto perielambane to ``Zappeio 2'' kai h arxh toy egine xqes me thn Epitroph. Edeije dyo pragmata: Prwton, h N.D. askei mia tyflh kai epikindynh antipoliteysh poy synodeyetai apo akrath aneyqynothta. Kai deyteron, qa prepei epiteloys na ejhghsei ston ellhniko lao giati me to terastio ideologiko alaloym poy th diakatexei - kai ayto einai jekaqaro kai einai antikeimeno allhs syzhthshs - aporriptei kai katachfizei ayth thn arxh ths ishs antimetwpishs twn ergazomenwn sto dhmosio kai idiwtiko tomea. Kai malista, otan einai gnwsto oti oi ergazomenoi sto dhmosio tomea, oi opoioi mporei na kanoyn arista th doyleia toys, exoyn monimothta, poy shmainei oti exoyn perissoterh prostasia. Ara, gia poio logo eidika sth shmerinh epoxh, stis shmerines synqhkes krishs, oi ergazomenoi sto dhmosio tomea na ergazontai ligotero apo aytoys toy idiwtikoy tomea; As mas ta ejhghsei ayta h N.D. me ton tropo poy prepei kai as afhsei tis ypekfyges poy xrhsimopoiei, oti qa prepei na peisqei kai oti qa exoyme elafrynsh 45.000 qesewn ergasias me to neo wrario. As afhsei gi` allh mia fora to resital aneyqynothtas poy askei kai se ayto ton tomea. Epanalambanw: Htan h prwth ejaggelia toy peribohtoy ``Zappeio 2''.

MOSXOBAS: Den jerw an jerete gallika, alla den pisteyw oti xreiasthkate metafrasth gia na diabasete ti akribws dihmeifqh xqes sth Boylh, metajy dyo koinoboyleytikwn andrwn. Ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gi` ayto, kai ena deytero sxolio gia to an aisqaneste dysaresta, me enan tropo h kybernhsh h to komma toy PA.SO.K. gia tis kathgories poy aphyqyne to kybernwn komma, se ena prwhn stelexos toy ton k. Berelh, o opoios dhlwnei oti dikaiwqhke gia thn ypoqesh ths MAN. Kapoioi zhtoysan th diagrafh toy, eipe sth dhlwsh toy kai poy qa prepei na aisqanontai dysaresta. Qewreite oti dikaiwqhke; Qewreite oti arqhkan oi logoi gia toys opoioys qa mporoyse na epanelqei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h Dikaiosynh yparxei akribws gia na epilyei opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh ths nomimothtas yparxei sto dhmosio kai ton idiwtiko bio. Ara, otan milaei h Dikaiosynh den exei nohma na milhsei opoiosdhpote allos, oyte eyxarista, oyte dysaresta. To dysaresto einai oti dhmioyrgoyntai akomh kai aytes oi skies poy anagkazoyn kapoion na prosfygei sth Dikaiosynh. To eyxaristo qa htan na exoyme mia politikh, oikonomikh kai koinwnikh zwh opoy den yparxei amfisbhthsh ths ajiopistias kapoioy. Oso yparxoyn fainomena anajiopistias, kaneis den mporei na aisqanetai eyxarista.

Oson afora sta ``gallika'' ta opoia oloi parakoloyqhsame xqes, pragmatika to mono poy exoyme na poyme einai oti kai ligh sobarothta den blaptei. Oxi mono sthn aiqoysa toy Koinoboylioy, metajy politikwn andrwn, alla kai genikotera sthn politikh zwh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Yparxei h paraithsh enos grammatea sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy, toy k. Dhmhtrh Lamproy, edw kai epta mhnes. O idios einai proedros ths Etairias Toyristikwn Akinhtwn kai symboylos sthn Etairia Olympiakwn Akinhtwn. Yparxei kapoia apanthsh giati akoma den exei ginei dekth kai paramenei sth qesh toy apo th stigmh poy diathrei kai dikh toy etairia ``nomimopoihshs ayqairetwn''.

PETALWTHS: Einai ena eidiko qema. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1812829300-1304534749=:1963--


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