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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-06-07

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 7 Ioynioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 336452121

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 7 Ioynioy 2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Einai gnwsto oti h kybernhsh, edw kai 20 mhnes klhqhke na antimetwpisei th megalyterh krish pollwn dekaetiwn sth xwra mas. Mia krish poy safws kai den dhmioyrghse h idia, alla klhqhke na thn antimetwpisei. Einai mia krish poy klhronomhse kai ofeilei na th diaxeirizetai mesa se prwtofaneis dyskoles synqhkes.

O prwtos amesos stoxos htan kai einai h apofygh ths xreokopias kai h ejasfalish ths poreias ths xwras mas gia to mellon kai kyriws h asfaleia kai h sigoyria toy Ellhna polith, poy shmera leipei.

Oi stoxoi aytoi omws ths kybernhshs den periorizontai sth sygkyriakh antimetwpish ths krishs. Stoxos mas einai na anatrecoyme tis adynamies poy briskontai sth riza ths krishs poy th dhmioyrghsan.

Na allajoyme to eyrytero politiko systhma, to kratos, th dioikhsh, to oikonomiko kai paragwgiko montelo ths xwras, gia na mhn janabreqoyme pote pleon se ayth th qesh.

Sthn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy menoyme panta proshlwmenoi. Omws, oloi gnwrizoyme oti proeixe kai proexei h swthria ths xwras apo th xreokopia.

Se ayth thn prospaqeia afierwsame xrono gia diapragmateyseis prwtognwrhs dyskolias. Ayth, omws, h prospaqeia proeixe, giati ean apotygxaname se ayth thn prospaqeia den qa yphrxe to edafos kai h fash gia na mporoyme na palecoyme kai na doylecoyme gia th diasfalish toy mellontos ths xwras mas.

Petyxame polla, ta opoia dystyxws, qewroyntai aytonohta, omws den htan kaqoloy aytonohta, oyte ws pros thn ekbash toys, oyte ws pros th shmerinh dhmioyrgia ayths ths bashs. H xwra staqhke orqia kai proxwra. Kai ayto den htan aytonohto. Einai ena megalo katorqwma to opoio petyxame oloi mazi, prwta ap' ola oi Ellhnes polites, alla kai h kybernhsh.

To oti shmera briskomaste edw kai mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme parakatw, akribws se ayto to ofeiloyme. Ayto to gnwrizoyn poly kala kai osoi speydoyn dixws kamia periskech na milhsoyn gia apotyxia, th stigmh poy prohgoymenws den milhsan gia tis adynamies poy mas odhghsan sthn krish.

Den einai apotyxia to gegonos, oti eimaste edw, ws xwra, ennoeitai, mh xreokophmenh.

Den einai apotyxia to gegonos, oti para tis aysthres kriseis twn daneistwn mas kai ta epaneilhmmena test poy exoyme perasei kaqe fora poy htan na katablhqei mia dosh toy megaloy daneioy poy petyxame. Kai omws pername ayta ta test.

Den einai apotyxia oti eginan polla pragmata, eginan polles mikres epanastaseis edw kai 18 mhnes.

Den einai apotyxia oti exoyme megalh ayjhsh stis ejagwges kai ston toyrismo kai pleon milame gia mia mikrh, alla pragmatikh anaptyjh, to prwto trimhno toy 2011 poy prooiwnizei thn oristikh anaptyjh kai th diafygh apo thn yfesh mesa sto 2012.

Akomh kai oi dieqneis paragontes, oi opoioi einai aysthroi kai askoyn pieseis, milane gia megalh epityxia. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaia, yparxoyn kai oi asteriskoi kai oi parametroi gia to pws mporoyme na beltiwqoyme kai pws mporoyme na pame pio grhgora.

Den lysame, fysika, ola ta problhmata mas. Ennoeitai oti kaneis den qa mporoyse na isxyristei kati tetoio. Gnwrizoyme omws oti katw apo synqhkes dieqnoys krishs kai mias megalhs yfeshs prospaqhsame kai anatajame ayth th megalh anajiopistia poy klhronomhsame kai bhma pros bhma thn anatrepoyme.

H prospaqeia gia thn ejasfalish ths ajiopistias einai ayth poy diasfalizei kai to mellon mas ws xwra. Einai ayth poy diasfalizei kai th doyleia poy kanoyme gi' ayto to parwxhmeno systhma to opoio prepei epiteloys na to allajoyme.

Gi' ayto, xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio eqese ena triptyxo gia tis allages poy prepei na ginoyn kai na oloklhrwqoyn malista grhgora. Allages sto eyrytero politiko systhma. Allages sto kratos, opws kai allages sto oikonomiko kai anaptyjiako montelo.

Diaqetoyme thn tolmh kai thn apofasistikothta na allajoyme th xwra, xtypwntas tis aities kai oxi ta symptwmata poy dhmioyrghsan thn krish. Prospaqoyme na kaqierwsoyme kai na epibaloyme dikaiosynh sthn katanomh twn barwn metajy twn eisodhmatwn, alla kai twn genewn. Kati poy safws kai den einai eykolo, kati poy safws omws dhmioyrgei kai polla periqwria beltiwshs apo edw kai pera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPANOY: Se sxesh me to dhmochfisma poy proanhggeile xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, mporeite na mas peite pote qa ginei kai me poio erwthma;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai sto parelqon exei milhsei gia dhmochfismata, gia ton qesmo twn dhmochfismatwn. Ayth einai gnwsth kai pagia apoch toy. Omws, apo ekei kai pera, se mia epoxh opoy pragmatika xreiazontai kai apaitoyntai megales synaineseis - kai h megalyterh synainesh, ennoeitai, poia allh qa mporoyse na einai apo ena dhmochfisma apeyqeias apo ton ellhniko lao - ean ontws teqoyn zhthmata megalhs shmasias, ennoeitai oti o qesmos toy dhmochfismatos einai aytos poy mporei na symbalei akribws sthn epiteyjh ths megalyterhs synaineshs, poy einai h synainesh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ws pros ta zhthmata kai ta aithmata, ayta - ennoeitai - qa ejeidikeyqoyn, ean apofasisqei kati tetoio. Kai asfalws qa einai zhthmata poy qa aforoyn megales allages, oi opoies qa prepei na ginoyn sto politiko systhma. Synepws, qa ejeidikeyqoyn kai qa prosdioristoyn eparkws kai epakribws, ean teqei ena tetoio zhthma.

MPOTWNHS: Gia to mesoproqesmo poy o kosmos sygkekrimena, ayth th stigmh stis plateies, apaitei na fygei, na mhn yparxei mnhmonio, na mhn yparxei mesoproqesmo, qa ginei dhmochfisma;

PETALWTHS: To mesoproqesmo einai mono ena stadio, prokeimenoy na perasoyme stis megales allages. Fysika kai den tiqetai zhthma, oyte yparxei periptwsh na ginei dhmochfisma gia to mesoproqesmo. Hdh, yparxei diadikasia. Ayth th stigmh synedriazei o dieyrymenos Koinoboyleytikos Tomeas Ergasias Oikonomikwn sth Boylh, paroysia pollwn Ypoyrgwn poy symmetexoyn stis ergasies toy, prokeimenoy na syzhthqei me toys boyleytes mas olo to mesoproqesmo kai na lhfqoyn fysika yp' och oles oi protaseis poy yparxoyn ek meroys twn boyleytwn, etsi wste na ginei pio apotelesmatiko kai pio dikaio to mesoproqesmo.

To mesoproqesmo den einai to apan. Makari na mporoysame mesa apo ena mesoproqesmo sxedio mexri to 2015, to opoio einai para poly shmantiko gia thn poreia ths xwras, na poyme oti allazoyme. Einai aplws ena skalopati, prokeimenoy na mporesoyme na orqopodhsoyme ws xwra, gia na mporoyme sth synexeia na pame se anaptyjiakoys ryqmoys. Ekeina poy apaitoyntai einai poly eyrytera kai o Prwqypoyrgos ta eqese xqes kata th diarkeia ths omilias toy sto atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh qewrei oti me mia stoixeiwdh aytokritikh, thn opoia thn akoysame xqes apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn sthn atyph synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, qewreite ayth thn aytokritikh eparkh gia na katalagiasoyn oi koinwnikes antidraseis poy blepoyme kaqe mera sthn plateia Syntagmatos kai se alles plateies ths xwras h gia na katalagiasoyn oi eswkommatikes antidraseis oi opoies einai poly entones to teleytaio xroniko diasthma;

PETALWTHS: Na sas anaferw kati poy einai dikh mas genikh arxh kai bash. Emeis edw kai 20 mhnes, prospaqoyme na anametrhqoyme me tis ejairetika megales, pollaples kai poly synqetes aities, mias prwtofanoys krishs gia th xwra mas. Ayto einai to kaqhkon mas kai me ayto akribws paleyoyme. Ekei einai to diko mas metwpo. Kai fysika ta apotelesmata ayths ths krishs prospaqoyme na ta qerapeysoyme, oxi ws apotelesmata, alla prospaqoyme na qerapeysoyme, na apaleicoyme tis aities ayths ths megalhs krishs. Ean blepame mono poly stenomyala, opws prospaqoyn kapoioi na mas poyn oti prepei na kanoyme, ti einai ayto poy katebazei ton kosmo stis plateies, ti einai ayto poy dhmioyrgei anhsyxia stoys boyleytes mas kai na prospaqhsoyme me kapoia epiplasta hmimetra, opws ginotan edw kai para polla xronia, edw kai polles dekaeties, tote safws kai qa eixame apotyxei. Emeis exoyme entopisei tis aities ayths ths krishs kai prospaqoyme na tis apaleicoyme. Kati to opoio qa eprepe na eixe ginei edw kai para polla xronia gia na mh fqasoyme ews edw. Ara, doyleyoyme poly pio baqia, doyleyoyme me poly megalyterh eyrythta stis prosdokies mas kai ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme. Den prospaqoyme na katalagiasoyme kapoia paqh h na fimwsoyme poly perissotero kapoies fwnes h na xaidecoyme aytia, kati poy ginotan edw kai para polla xronia kai poy dystyxws, kapoioi synexizoyn akoma kai shmera na to kanoyn h mas protrepoyn na synexizoyme na to kanoyme. Emeis exoyme na antagwnistoyme, exoyme na anametrhqoyme me tis aities mias poly megalhs krishs kai me ta kakws keimena enos politikoy systhmatos poy einai rizwmeno edw kai para polla xronia. Osoi lene poly eykola logia h osoi eykola anaqematizoyn kai einai isopedwtikoi tote akribws tis antiqetes yphresies prosferoyn sth xwra mas. Emeis tis yphresies mas tis prosferoyme, thn aytokritikh mas thn kanoyme kai den xreiazetai na thn kanoyme gia na ejeymenisoyme oyte ton kosmo, oyte kapoioys boyleytes. Thn kanoyme, akribws, gia na mporesoyme na petyxoyme mia beltiwsh kai mia taxythta stis apofaseis mas, oi opoies safws xreiazontai beltiwsh, megalyterh taxythta kai megalyterh tolmh. Alla, den prokeitai na staqoyme se tipota efhmero kai se tipota poy xaideyei aytia. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy den kaname pisw, otan alloi hdh eixan kanei kai qa mporoysame na kanoyme kai emeis. Eimaste emeis poy ta bgalame pera kai ta balame me mia poly megalh krish. Kai fysika, den qa kanoyme twra pisw, poy o dromos gia thn ejodo apo thn krish einai pleon oratos. Balame, hdh, tis baseis kai prospaqoyme na tis baloyme akomh perissotero, gia mia diaforetikh anaptyjh sth xwra mas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, antilhfqhkame oti xqes ayth h syzhthsh peri aytokritikhs pyrodothse kai mia allh syzhthsh gia meizones politikes prwtoboylies poy epikeintai kai tis analambanei h kybernhsh. Mporeite na mas peite, an qa exoyme neo eklogiko nomo entos toy qeroys;

PETALWTHS: Ej oswn gnwrizw o eklogikos nomos einai etoimos, sto ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn. Oxi twra, ennoeitai, edw kai poly megalo xroniko diasthma. Alla, o eklogikos nomos einai mia megalh diadikasia, kai ennoeitai oti qa yparxei epidiwjh na yparxoyn synqeseis apocewn. Qa prepei na ginei mia poly megalh syzhthsh. Kai fysika, kati tetoio den shmainei ekloges. O Prwqypoyrgos to eipe jekaqara kai sth syzhthsh kata th synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn, to eipe jekaqara kai sto xqesino atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oti safws kai den yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn. Ean qelame na ``drapeteysoyme'', isws mporoysame na to skefqoyme. Ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na meinoyme, na palecoyme me thn krish, me ta aitia ths, alla kai me ta symptwmata ths. Ayto kanoyme edw kai 19 peripoy mhnes kai qa to kanoyme poly pio entatika apo edw kai pera.

MOYRELATOS: Xronika, kyrie Ekproswpe, pote na perimenoyme th sygkekrimenh prwtoboylia; Gia ton eklogiko nomo lew.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei skech na erqei o eklogikos nomos. Alla, den mporw na katalabw giati toso endiaferon, giati tosh spoydh. Exoyme na anametrhqoyme me poly shmantikotera pragmata. Kai epanalambanw, epeidh kaqe anafora ston eklogiko nomo fernei syneirmoys me ekloges, einai jekaqaro oti den yparxei tetoio zhthma.

MIXAHL: Plhroforhqhkame xqes, oti meta tis apofaseis poy phrate gia olo to oikonomiko paketo, gia to opoio synexizetai kai h syzhthsh me toys boyleytes sas, oti stoys sxediasmoys toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai na analabei kai orismenes eyryteres politikes prwtoboylies, peran aytoy poy sas anefere o synadelfos. Malista, mas parepemcan kai oi ypoyrgoi se esas. Mporeite na mas peite poies mporei na einai aytes kai pote o Prwqypoyrgos qa tis analabei;

PETALWTHS: Ti dhladh; Gia na katalabw kai egw, gia na mporw na antilhfqw ti ennoeite. Gia poies politikes prwtoboylies;

MIXAHL: Politikes prwtoboylies mporei na einai pollwn eidwn. Eseis qa mas peite poies krinete h h kybernhsh exei sta sxedia ths. Giati ayto plhroforhqhkame xqes to brady.

PETALWTHS: Egw jekaqarizw, gia allh mia fora, oti ta sxedia ths kybernhshs einai makroproqesma, opws bebaiws kai braxyproqesma.

Ta makroproqesma einai to triptyxo poy sas exw pei, oti qa prospaqhsoyme na kanoyme megales tomes kai allages sto politiko systhma. Hdh, o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, milhse gia ``qesmish jana ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias'' - h ``qesmish'' einai enas politikos oros - kai fysika, oxi gia katalysh ths, opws prospaqoyn kapoioi na epidiwjoyn. Poy shmainei oti to politiko systhma, etsi opws to gnwrizoyme, exei polla periqwria gia na allajei beltiwtika. Alla prepei na ginei kai mia poly megalh syzhthsh me th lhch pollwn apofasewn. Apo ekei kai pera, braxyproqesma, ayto poy mporoyme na kanoyme kai prepei na kanoyme, einai na prospaqhsoyme na perasoyme th qespish toy braxyproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy, poy bazei toys stoxoys gia thn poreia ejodoy ths xwras mas apo thn krish, mexri to 2015.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dhlwsate shmera sto  BHMA FM oti h diafwnia twn boyleytwn den shmainei katachfish toy mesoproqesmoy. Ean apo toys boyleytes breqoyn 3-4 kai dhlwsoyn-chfisoyn ``parwn'', opws egine me to mnhmonio 1, h kybernhsh qa staqei h qa paei se ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Gia tis ekloges exw topoqethqei. Apo edw kai pera, ayto poy exw na pw einai oti oles aytes oi diadikasies poy ginontai, ginontai akribws gia na yioqethsoyn kai na enswmatwsoyn apoceis kai protaseis twn boyleytwn, mias kai to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio einai oysiastika enas proypologismenos dromos gia ejodo apo thn krish, alla kai anaptyjh, kaqws kai gia megales allages mexri to 2015. Kai oses protaseis kai apoceis sygklinoyn se sygkekrimenoys stoxoys, apo toys opoioys den mporoyme na apostoyme, ennoeitai oti qa enswmatwqoyn sto mesoproqesmo. Emeis exoyme empistosynh - kai ayto to exei deijei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK - oti oi boyleytes exoyn plhrh synaisqhsh ths poly megalhs apostolhs poy exoyme, na apofasizoyme mesa se prwtognwres kai dyskoles synqhkes. Kai ayth thn epignwsh oi boyleytes thn exoyn. Kai gi' ayto akribws sygklinoyn oloi sto na exoyme ena mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, to opoio qa einai to kalytero gia na bgoyme apo thn krish, alla kai gia na kanoyme tis megales allages.

MPEKA: An chfisoyn ``parwn'' qa exoyn thn idia tyxh me to mnhmonio 1, dhladh qa exoyn th diagrafh toys apo to komma;

PETALWTHS: Milame qewrhtika twra. Den mas endiaferoyn ta qewrhtika senaria. Emeis exoyme na problhmatistoyme - kai ayto kanoyme - me tis dyskoles kai megales allages poy qeloyme na pragmatopoihsoyme sto politiko systhma kai sto kratos.

MPOTWNHS: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy, eipe oti den exoyn ginei ola sthn enteleia, kanontas kai aytokritikh. Eipe oti yparxoyn periqwria beltiwshs, exoyn ginei laqh, yparxoyn paraleiceis. Ayto shmainei oti qa perimenoyme sto ameso diasthma kai allages sthn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto shmainei oti gnwrizoyme poy briskomaste kai gnwrizoyme kai ta laqh mas kai tis eystoxies kai tis astoxies, xwris na dexomaste kamia isopedwsh. To giati den apotyxame, to exoyme analysei para polles fores kai sto opoio den pairnoyme sygkekrimenes apanthseis ap' aytoys, oi opoioi syllhbdhn mas kathgoroyn oti apotyxame, prospaqwntas me ayto ton tropo na rijoyn sta braxia ena oloklhro kratos mesa ap' ayth thn parafilologia peri ``apotyxias''. Omws, tis astoxies, tis paraleiceis h tis kaqysterhseis poy exoyn ginei, safws tis gnwrizoyme kai tis anagnwrizoyme. Kai oxi gia kanenan allo logo, oyte analiskomeqa se aytokritikh aplws gia na fanei oti kanoyme aytokritikh, alla h aytokritikh xreiazetai akribws gia na mhn epanalhfqoyn ola ayta sto mellon.

MPOTWNHS: Ara, den exoyme anasxhmatismo.

PETALWTHS: To qema toy anasxhmatismoy einai kati poy erxetai kai epanerxetai. Nomizw oti ayto poy endiaferei ton ellhniko lao shmera, einai na ginetai ergo. Kai fysika ayto den einai qema proswpwn, einai qema politikhs boylhshs.

SPANOY: Thn perasmenh Kyriakh h efhmerida EQNOS dhmosieyse listes me toys ypo sygxwneysh h katarghsh forewn toy dhmosioy. Se mia apo aytes tis listes anaferontai sxedon ola ta panepisthmia, sxedon ola ta TEI kai to APE, oti qa paroyn seira mexri telos toy xronoy. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs ep' aytoy kai eidika ws pros to APE;

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta senaria poy akoyme kai diabazoyme einai poly elkystika alla einai senaria kai mono. Oson afora to APE den yparxei kanena zhthma. Olo ayto to diasthma akoyme, diabazoyme, oti qa katarghqei h ERT, to APE kai oti qa yparxoyn sygxwneyseis. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai h leitoyrgia aytwn twn ``eqnikwn'' ergaleiwn gia thn enhmerwsh , kai gia thn probolh ths xwras mas kai ayto ginetai edw kai poly kairo me megalh prospaqeia. Exoyme balei mia tajh. Yparxei megalh peristolh dapanwn kai prospaqoyme mexri kai shmera na broyme ekeinoys toys tropoys leitoyrgias me toys opoioys ta dhmosia Mesa na exoyn thn kalyterh apodotikothta, na exoyn egkyrothta, na einai antikeimenika kai fysika na yphretoyn ton Ellhna polith. Ola ta alla den eystaqoyn kai ayto qa prepei na ginei safes.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, toso kairo mas legate oti h E.E. ekbiazei na thrhqoyn kapoioi oroi ths symfwnias prokeimenoy na parete thn 5h dosh. Gia na katalaboyme. H 5h dosh den empleketai me to mesoproqesmo. To mesoproqesmo empleketai me thn daneiakh symbash; Swsta to antilambanomaste; Giati maqame shmera oti qa chfistei meta th Synodo ths E.E.

PETALWTHS: Den eipame oti mas ekbiazei h E.E. Gnwrizoyme omws poly kala oti kapoioi poy mas daneisan 110 dis eyrw otan ta eixame apolyth anagkh kai otan den yphrxe kanenas mhxanismos gia na sthrijei th xwra mas kai petyxame thn dhmioyrgia enos tetoioy mhxanismoy poy shmera kanoyn xrhsh kai alles xwres ths Eyrwphs kai makari na einai kai oi teleytaies, qa prepei na deixnoyme kai na apodeiknyoyme oti kanoyme tetoio ergo poy pragmatika den qa xaqoyn ta xrhmata toys. Ayto shmainei oti qa prepei na dinoyme th synolikh eikona, oti h xwra mas proxwraei se oikonomikes metarryqmiseis, oti h xwra mas mporei na dhmioyrgei synqhkes anaptyjhs kai ola osa kanoyme mexri stigmhs - ennoeitai kai to Mesoproqesmo Strathgiko Sxedio - einai meros ayths ths eikonas poy ofeiloyme na katadeiknyoyme stoys etairoys poy mas daneisan. Apo ekei pera, fysika, ayta den ginontai mono ej anagkhs pros toys etairoys. Ginontai giati yparxei h anagkaiothta na ginontai. Einai kai dikes mas epiloges, polles ap` tis opoies den einai epibeblhmenes apo thn E.E. kai apo toys pistwtes mas. Einai allages poy qa eprepe na exoyn ginei edw kai para polla xronia. Allages ginontai kai qa ginontai akomh pio entona.

MPOTWNHS: Akoysame oti h anadoxos etairia poy exei thn epimeleia kataskeyhs ths shraggas Tempwn diekoce tis ergasies, diwxnei to proswpiko, 250 ergazomenoys, kai epeidh h etairia ayth, opws kai alles, exoyn eisprajei polla lefta apo to dhmosio kai apo toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys, pws sxoliazei ayth thn kinhsh h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy exoyme na poyme, einai oti to kratos einai synepestato stis plhrwmes toy. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema twn trapezwn oi opoies einai xrhmatodotes aytoy toy ergoy. Fysika, emeis qeloyme na ginei ayto to ergo, me ton kalytero tropo kai oso pio grhgora ginetai. Ws kratos, yparxei apolyth synepeia.

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