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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-06-27

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 27 Ioynioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 339469316

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING (270611)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 27 Ioynioy 2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO HLIA MOSIALO

Kalo meshmeri.

Qa hqela na kanw mia arxikh dhlwsh, se sxesh me tis diapragmateyseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, alla kai ta alla krath-melh ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs poy oloklhrwqhkan, se prwth fash, stis Bryjelles, thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh.

Me bash tis diapragmateyseis kai me thn proypoqesh oti chfizoyme to mesoproqesmo programma, alla kai ton prwto efarmostiko nomo ayth thn ebdomada, ejasfalizetai h pempth dosh toy daneioy, ycoys 12 disekatommyriwn eyrw.

Parallhla, yparxoyn treis akomh epityxies, qa elega, poy prokyptoyn apo th diapragmateysh. H prwth einai h ejasfalish twn daneiakwn anagkwn ths xwras gia ta epomena tria xronia. Epomenws, yparxei h kalych twn ypoxrewsewn poy exei h xwra, gia na mporei na ejasfalizei misqoys, syntajeis, koinwnikes yphresies, yphresies metaforwn, alla kai genika th leitoyrgia toy kratoys mexri kai to telos toy 2014.

Parallhla, energopoieitai h symfwnia ths Biennhs, to opoio praktika shmainei th diathrhsh twn palaiwn omologwn apo toys katoxoys aytwn twn omologwn -kai edw milame gia thn eqelontikh symmetoxh toy idiwtikoy tomea- kai thn antallagh toys me nea omologa, otan ta palaia omologa lhjoyn. Ean ayth h diadikasia oloklhrwqei me systhmatiko kai orqologiko tropo, to ofelos gia ton ellhniko lao qa einai arketa megalo kai ycoys pollwn disekatommyriwn eyrw.

Parallhla, kai ayto einai ejairetika shmantiko gia thn prooptikh ths xwras, einai h energopoihsh twn programmatwn ESPA. Yparxoyn para polla programmata ESPA ta opoia den exoyn energopoihqei, eite logw grafeiokratikwn dysleitoyrgiwn sth xwra mas, eite se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs.

Ti apofasisthke:

Oti qa yparxei amesh diadikasia dieykolynshs xorhghshs programmatwn ESPA, mesw texnikhs bohqeias, thn opoia qa diaqesei h Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh, alla, parallhla kai ayto einai ej isoy shmantiko me thn epitaxynsh, einai h dynatothta epanastoxeyshs twn porwn toy ESPA, etsi wste na mporoyme na diaqesoyme aytoys toys poroys sthn kateyqynsh ths ayjhshs ths antagwnistikothtas, alla kai ths dhmioyrgias newn qesewn ergasias.

Edw qa prepei na tonisw oti prepei me apofasistikothta na proxwrhsoyme sthn ylopoihsh twn programmatwn ESPA kai ayto qa kanoyme, alla parallhla kai na ta efarmosoyme pio stoxeymena, etsi wste na mhn yparxei h gnwsth kataspatalhsh poy yphrxe ta prohgoymena eth, opoy den yphrxe h katallhlh stoxeysh twn programmatwn ESPA kai den eftanan telika se aytoys poy eprepe na ftasoyn. Dhladh, sth dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias, sthn antimetwpish ths anergias, alla kai parallhla sth dhmioyrgia programmatwn poy qa exoyn ws stoxo thn anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras.

Ayta htan, epomenws, ta tessera megala qemata ta opoia syzhthqhkan: H pempth dosh, oi daneiakes anagkes ths xwras gia ta epomena tria xronia, h symfwnia ths Biennhs kai h anakoyfish poy qa dwsei sto Ellhniko Dhmosio ayth h symfwnia me thn eqelontikh symmetoxh twn idiwtwn kai h epitaxynsh kai h epanastoxeysh twn programmatwn ESPA.

Ayta qa hqela na pw pros to paron kai anamenw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete kapoia newtera na mas peite, sxetika me to ti proekyce apo th synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn k. Benizeloy me ton boyleyth k. Aqanasiadh, poy egine liges wres nwritera;

MOSIALOS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, h synanthsh egine se poly kalo klima, alla o k. Aqanasiadhs epimenei stis apoceis toy.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: 'Ara, na ypoqesoyme oti h kybernhsh sto qema ths DEH poy einai kai to shmeio tribhs, paramenei staqerh stis arxikes ths qeseis;

MOSIALOS: To qema ths DEH perilambanetai sto mesoproqesmo programma ths kybernhshs. Oi idiwtikopoihseis omws - kai qa hqela na to dieykrinisw ayto- den perilambanontai ston efarmostiko nomo. Oxi mono h idiwtikopoihsh ths DEH, alla genika oi idiwtikopoihseis den perilambanontai ston efarmostiko nomo. O efarmostikos nomos perilambanei to qesmiko plaisio gia tis idiwtikopoihseis. Ayto, dhladh, qa syzhthsoyme tis epomenes hmeres sth Boylh, to qesmiko plaisio gia tis idiwtikopoihseis. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh qa kanei tis strathgikes ths epiloges gia tis idiwtikopoihseis. Ayto anamenetai.

MARAQIAS: 'Hqela na rwthsw, ean en ocei twn krisimwn chfoforiwn, telika, yparxei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias h eklambanetai, na to poyme diaforetika, ws mia nea chfos empistosynhs pros thn kybernhsh oi chfofories gia to mesoproqesmo kai ton efarmostiko nomo kai poso aisiodojoi eiste telika ean qa yperchfistoyn aytoi oi dyo nomoi kai den qa exei problhmata to kybernwn komma.

MOSIALOS: Chfos empistosynhs edoqh sthn kybernhsh thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Epomenws, den einai mia nea chfos empistosynhs. Emeis pisteyoyme oti kai to mesoproqesmo programma kai o efarmostikos nomos, qa chfistoyn apo to Ellhniko Koinoboylio, mesw twn qespismenwn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn. H kybernhsh den ypodeiknyei stoys boyleytes toy PASOK to ti qa prepei na kanoyn, oyte stoys boyleytes twn allwn kommatwn. Alla, qewroyme oti pername mia poly krisimh periodo gia th xwra mas kai oloi qa prepei na analogistoyn to ti qa kanoyn stis chfofories.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera o Antiproedros ths Kybernhshs, o k. Pagkalos, dhlwse se mia ispanikh efhmerida, thn EL MUNDO, oti ean den chfisoyme to mesoproqesmo, qa prepei o stratos kai ta tanks na prostateysoyn tis Trapezes apo ton panikoblhto kosmo poy qa trexei na parei ta lefta toy. Pws to sxoliazete ayto;

MOSIALOS: Ayto poy qa prepei na doyme, einai o pyrhnas twn dhlwsewn toy Antiproedroy ths Kybernhshs. O Antiproedros eqese ena genikotero plaisio toy ti qa symbei ean xreokophsei h xwra. Den tiqetai omws tetoio qema, idiaitera meta kai apo tis diapragmateyseis poy ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai ta alla krath ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs thn perasmenh Paraskeyh. Epomenws, me thn proypoqesh oti chfizoyme ton efarmostiko nomo kai to mesoproqesmo programma, tote ejasfalizontai oi daneiakes anagkes ths xwras kai ejasfalizontai kai polla alla pera apo tis daneiakes mas anagkes. Kai elpizoyme oti aytes oi apofaseis poy elhfqhsan se epipedo Symboylioy Koryfhs, qa epibebaiwqoyn amesws meta kai apo to Eurogroup, stis 3 Ioylioy.

MPEKA: Dhladh paradexetai h kybernhsh oti me tis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, eimaste stis idies katastaseis poy htan prin ligo kairo kai h Argentinh, otan malista o Proedros Roya anagkasthke na fygei me elikoptero apo th xwra toy;

MOSIALOS: Se kamia periptwsh. Sas eipa, den yparxei qema xreokopias ths xwras. Me thn proypoqesh oti chfizoyme to mesoproqesmo programma kai ton efarmostiko nomo, energopoioyntai oi symfwnies kai oi diapragmateyseis poy ekane h ellhnikh kybernhsh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai toys etairoys mas kai den tiqetai qema xreokopias.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, plhroforoymeqa oti exei jekinhsei mia syskech poy afora th diadikasia mesa apo thn opoia qa perasei h xwra sthn anaptyjh kai sygkekrimena mesw oxi mono toy ESPA, alla isws kai allwn eyrwpaikwn xrhmatodothsewn. Akoma qelw na mas dieykrinisete, h xwra qa symmetexei me ayto poy leme to 15%; Qa bazei 15% ellhniko kefalaio kai to ypoloipo qa einai eyrwpaiko h yparxei periptwsh na mhdenistei ayth h eisfora apo pleyras ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

MOSIALOS: Ayth th stigmh einai se ejelijh syskech ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy me symmetoxh twn ypoyrgwn poy einai ypeyqynoi gia ta anaptyjiaka kai koinwnika ypoyrgeia. Stoxos ayths ths syskechs einai na energopoihsoyme oso to dynaton pio grhgora ta programmata ths koinotikhs bohqeias, kyriws sta diarqrwtika tameia kai to ESPA. Ayto deixnei kai thn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs na mh xaqei xronos se sxesh me thn energopoihsh aytwn twn programmatwn, twra eidika poy exoyme ena eynoiko eyrwpaiko plaisio. Dhladh, mporoyme na kanoyme kai thn epanastoxeysh twn programmatwn aytwn kai einai poly shmantiko, na energopoihsoyme thn texnikh bohqeia, thn opoia qa mas dwsei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Tis leptomereies ths texnikhs, ths koinotikhs kai ths ellhnikhs symmetoxhs qa tis syzhthsei shmera o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Mparozo kai qa exoyme argotera peraiterw anakoinwseis.

GARGALAKOS: Exoyme thn periptwsh poy eixe diereynhsei, an qymamai kala, o Antiproedros ths kybernhshs, sxetika me ola ayta ta xrhmata poy efygan apo th xwra, se stigmes krisimes kai phgan stis trapezes ths Elbetias. Ti ginetai m'ayth thn ypoqesh; Poy brisketai;

MOSIALOS: Einai se ejelijh ayth h ypoqesh. Den mporoyme omws na kanoyme anakoinwseis gia mia ypoqesh poy einai se ejelijh. Den exei stamathsei, ayto qelw na sas pw. 'Otan qa exoyme oloklhrwsei tis syzhthseis me thn elbetikh kybernhsh, qa yparjoyn kai sxetikes anakoinwseis.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh qetete staqera ap'o,ti antilambanomai, ws airesh, ws oro, to na chfistei to mesoproqesmo gia na mh diatrejei h xwra kindyno xreokopias, einai mia parametros ayth poy qa prepei na laboyn ypoch toys pantws oi boyleytes, oti dhladh h mh chfish toy mesoproqesmoy kai odhgei se xreokopia kai mporei na odhghsei, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs se genikeymenh apostaqeropoihsh;

MOSIALOS: Den milhsa gia genikeymenes apostaqeropoihseis. Ayto to opoio eipa, einai oti proypoqesh gia na energopoihqei h symfwnia poy petyxame sto Symboylio Koryfhs ths prohgoymenhs Paraskeyhs, einai na chfistei to mesoproqesmo kai o efarmostikos nomos. Na tonisw kai pali oti ayto to opoio epeteyxqh sto Symboylio Koryfhs einai ejairetika shmantiko gia th xwra mas. Den einai mono h pempth dosh poy einai to ameso qema. Einai h ejasfalish twn daneiakwn anagkwn ths xwras gia ta epomena tria xronia. Epomenws, h leitoyrgia ths xwras gia ta epomena tria xronia - ayto einai to shmantiko- apo edw kai pera, einai h epitaxynsh toy ESPA kai h symfwnia ths Biennhs. Einai ena synoliko paketo metrwn, ta opoia synodeyoyn thn chfish toy mesoproqesmoy kai toy efarmostikoy nomoy. Ayto prepei na laboyme ypoch mas.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na epanelqw stis dhlwseis toy k. Pagkaloy, ws pote h kybernhsh qa apofeygei na katadikasei ton antiproedro ths, epibebaiwnontas thn ektimhsh oti ton ajiopoiei opote xreiazetai gia thn tromokrathsh toy laoy. Giati, olh ayth h apeilh peri tanks, den nomizete oti jeperna kaqe orio pleon;

MOSIALOS: Sas eipa oti qa prepei na meinoyme ston pyrhna twn dhlwsewn toy Antiproedroy, o opoios anaferqhke se senario xreokopias ths xwras. Taytoxrona, tonizw oti den tiqetai tetoio qema an chfistei o efarmostikos nomos kai to mesoproqesmo programma. Meta tis apofaseis toy Symboylioy Koryfhs, thn prohgoymenh Paraskeyh, exei diasfalistei h omalh leitoyrgia ths xwras.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoios xronikos orizontas gia ton efarmostiko nomo poy qa periexei tis apokratikopoihseis; Qa einai sta telh toy 2012, piqanws toy 2013, sto telos ths qhteias ths kybernhshs;

MOSIALOS: Opws gnwrizete, o efarmostikos nomos problepei th dhmioyrgia enos eidikoy tameioy poy qa asxolhqei me tis apokratikopoihseis. Epomenws, prwta prepei na systaqei ayto to tameio kai meta th systash toy tameioy, qa yparxei se ejelijh kai h strathgikh ths kybernhshs gia tis apokratikopoihseis. Qa hqela na anaferw oti gia polloys kai eynohtoys logoys den einai swsto, prin th qespish toy tameioy, na anakoinwnoyme idiwtikopoihseis.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera, efhmerides opws ta NEA kai to EQNOS, anaferontai se 22 nees foroepidromes se baros ths ellhnikhs oikogeneias, akoma kai twn anergwn. Mporeite na mas peite ti allaje me ton anasxhmatismo ths kybernhshs; Giati eidame oti o k. Papakwnstantinoy ekane arketes prospaqeies me thn troika, enw o k. Benizelos eidame oti paradoqhke kai ypakoyse tyfla.

MOSIALOS: Na jekaqarisoyme kati: Oi desmeyseis mas apenanti stoys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, stoys daneistes ths xwras, einai poly sygkekrimenes. Einai ena programma ycoys 28 dis eyrw, to opoio den perilambanei mono perikopes, perilambanei sygkekrimenes metarryqmiseis kai epomenws, ejasfalish oikonomiwn klimakos mesw twn metarryqmisewn, alla parallhla kai ena programma idiwtikopoihsewn. Ayto eixe symfwnhqei kai apo ton k. Papakwnstantinoy kai paramenei kai politikh ths kybernhshs. Parallhla, eixame symfwnhsei oti qa exoyme ena programma ycoys 6,4 dis gia to 2011. Epomenws, oyte o stoxos toy programmatos twn 6,4 dis allazei. Ayto to opoio allaje kai gi' ayto egine mesw diapragmateysewn kai syzhthsewn kai sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia sthn Epitroph Oikonomikwn Ypoqesewn ths Boylhs, einai ta sygkekrimena metra, ta opoia omws qa eprepe na apodwsoyn ena apotelesma ycoys 6,4 dis. Epomenws, den allaje kati se sxesh me toys stoxoys. Allaje h mijh twn metrwn, ta opoia qa xreiastoyn gia na epityxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Kai qa hqela na pw to ejhs: Sigoyra kanenas den qelei na pairnei para poly dyskola metra, ta opoia exoyn epiptwseis gia th mesh ellhnikh oikogeneia kai toys Ellhnes polites. Alla qa prepei na doyme ayta ta metra ws ena endiameso stoxo, me apwtero skopo th leitoyrgia ths xwras se makroproqesmo epipedo kai th dynatothta na dwsoyme mia shmantikh anasa sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, etsi wste meta tis dyskoles periodoys poy pernoyme twra - kai qa perasoyme to amesws epomeno diasthma- na teqoyn oi baseis gia thn anaptyjh kai thn epiteyjh prwtogenwn pleonasmatwn. Giati, xwris na exoyme anaptyjh kai xwris na exoyme prwtogenh pleonasmata, den prokeitai pote na eimaste se qesh na baloyme se tajh thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Ayth th stigmh, ws dhmosios tomeas jodeyoyme poly perissotera se misqoys, syntajeis kai dapanes, ap' o,ti eisprattoyme mesw toy forologikoy systhmatos. Epomenws, prepei na doyme ayth thn ejiswsh dapanwn kai esodwn. Mesa sto plaisio ayto, hdh o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn exei anakoinwsei shmantikes parembaseis sto forologiko systhma. Mia ap' aytes einai kai h arsh toy forologikoy aporrhtoy. Qa yparxoyn kai peraiterw parembaseis, giati enw sthn oysia exoyme mia dhlwsh forwn 100 dis eyrw to xrono apo fysika proswpa, h eisprajh toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy antistoixei se 9 dis eyrw. Dhladh, mono sto 9% toy posoy poy dhlwnetai. H megalh pleiochfia twn forologikwn dhlwsewn den apoferei foroys sto ellhniko dhmosio h exei kai epistrofes. Epomenws, einai mia epitaktikh anagkaiothta to na janadoyme apo thn arxh to forologiko systhma, etsi wste, epiteloys, na yparxei kai mia qespismenh koinwnikh dikaiosynh kai na plhrwnoyn oi exontes kai oi katexontes.

SIDERHS: Den jerw an exei erwthqei, giati arghsa na erqw... exei katartistei to sxedio gia na kateboyn ta tanks stoys dromoys ean den chfistei to mesoproqesmo;

MOSIALOS: H erwthsh sas exei teqei treis fores kai exei apanthqei.

FOYRLHS: Hqela na sas rwthsw an exei shmasia, kata thn apoch ths kybernhshs, to poses telika qa einai oi qetikes chfoi sto mesoproqesmo. An qa einai dhladh 155 akribws h ligoteres.

MOSIALOS: An ennoeite oti qa einai katw apo 151, den tiqetai tetoio qema, se kamia periptwsh.

FOYRLHS: Fysika milame gia anw twn 151.

MOSIALOS: Profanws, ayto poy endiaferei thn kybernhsh einai na chfistei to mesoproqesmo kai o efarmostikos nomos. Alla se kamia periptwsh me chfoys ligoteroys twn 151. Den tiqetai tetoio qema. An qelete thn ektimhsh moy kai to mesoproqesmo kai o efarmostikos nomos qa chfistoyn apo to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK.

MARAQIAS: Thn endiaferei pantws thn kybernhsh to migma twn boyleytwn poy qa yperchfisoyn h qa katachfisoyn to mesoproqesmo sxedio;

MOSIALOS: Ti ennoeite me to ``migma twn boyleytwn'';

MARAQIAS: Mporei na yperchfisoyn apo alla kommata h na katachfisoyn kai boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos.

MOSIALOS: Den sxoliazoyme tis proqeseis boyleytwn allwn kommatwn.

KEXAGIA: Na to qesoyme ligo diaforetika; Se periptwsh poy ejasfalisei tis 151 chfoys sto mesoproqesmo, alla den proerxontai aysthra kai mono apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK, qa einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh;

MOSIALOS: Sas anefera oti anamenoyme pws to synolo ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK qa chfisei to mesoproqesmo. Ayto perimenoyme.

MPEKA: Qelw na kanw mia parembash sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh poy dwsate sto synadelfo, oti an den chfistei to mesoproqesmo kai o efarmostikos nomos den qa paroyme thn pempth dosh. O ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn...

MOSIALOS: Milhsa gia to synolo twn triwn allwn apofasewn poy elabe to Symboylio Koryfhs.

MPEKA: Sto synadelfo moy.

MOSIALOS: Bebaiws.

MPEKA: Apla, se mia synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Benizelos thn Paraskeyh to brady sto N. Xatzhnikolaoy, eipe oti thn pempth dosh, oytw h allws qa thn paroyme. Giati exei na kanei me thn isorropia ths Eyrwphs.

MOSIALOS: Ayto to opoio qa prepei na doyme kai to exw tonisei kat' epanalhch to teleytaio diasthma, einai oti den qa prepei na paizei kaneis me tis qesmikes diadikasies se epipedo Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. An qa hqele kapoios na qesei ena ypoqetiko senario lhchs ths pempths doshs, qa eprepe taytoxrona na qesei kai ena ypoqetiko senario to ti shmainei na mhn chfistei to mesoproqesmo programma kai o efarmostikos nomos. Dhladh, ayth th stigmh, na mh blepoyme to dentro kai na xanoyme to dasos. Kai to dasos einai ta tria epomena metra kai genikeymena paketa ta opoia chfise to Symboylio Koryfhs, poy aforoyn sth leitoyrgia ths xwras mexri to telos toy 2014. Ara, einai sygkekrimenes anases sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, gia na mporesoyme na exoyme anaptyjh kai dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Ayto perimenoyn oi Ellhnes polites: Epanergopoihsh toy ESPA poy eixe pagwsei kai parallhla to megalo kerdos gia th xwra mas apo thn eqelontikh symmetoxh twn idiwtwn sth symfwnia ths Biennhs. Aytoi einai oi megaloi stoxoi. Qa mporoyse na yparxei energopoihsh ths pempths doshs kai to erwthma einai: kai ti meta, an den erqoyn ta alla tria; Kai ayto qa prepei na analogistei o ellhnikos laos. Ayto qa prepei na analogistoyn kai oi boyleytes sto ellhniko Koinoboylio. Tis makroproqesmes prooptikes gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, tis anases poy dinoyme kai tis dynatothtes na exoyme nees qeseis ergasias kai anaptyjhs.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milhsame poly gia tis chfofories ths Tetarths kai ths Pempths mesa sth Boylh, yparxei kapoios sxediasmos gia to ti qa symbainei thn idia wra ejw apo th Boylh;

MOSIALOS: ``Sxediasmos'', se ti epipedo ennoeite;

ZAFEIRIADOY: Ennow oti hdh exei proanaggelqei mia 48wrh perikyklwsh ths Boylhs apo aganaktismenoys, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn an qelete, politwn, kai parallhla mia 48wrh apergia twn megalyterwn syndikatwn ths xwras.

MOSIALOS: Emeis eimaste yper ths eleyqerias toy logoy, yper ths dynatothtas olwn twn politwn na diadhlwnoyn. Alla, qa prepei na skeftoyme to kata poson oi apokleismoi toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy yperbainoyn kapoia oria. Alla, h eleyqeria toy logoy kai to dikaiwma sth diadhlwsh kai sthn apergia einai katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma oloy toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh pote qa stamathsei ta epikoinwniaka trik kai anaferomai sth dhlwsh poy ekane prin apo ligo o k. Ragkoyshs ston  REAL FM , sxetika me thn baria forologia stoys kratikoys ajiwmatoyxoys apo to 1974 kai meta. Ep' aytoy, ti exete na sxoliasete;

MOSIALOS: Kat' arxas na anaferqoyme stis megales prwtoboylies poy exei analabei o Prwqypoyrgos gia thn allagh toy politikoy systhmatos. Ayto einai to megalo zhthma: Pws qa allajei to politiko systhma, to opoio en pollois einai kai ypeyqyno gia thn katastash sthn opoia brisketai shmera h xwra. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane sygkekrimenes dhlwseis sthn prwtomilia toy sth Boylh, otan syzhtoysame thn chfo empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh. Anaferqhke sta dhmochfismata ta opoia qa yparxoyn to epomeno diasthma, mesw twn opoiwn qa doqei h dynatothta ston ellhniko lao na ekfrasei th gnwmh toy gia to politiko systhma. Epomenws, to kyriarxo, to meizon sth syzhthsh einai h allagh toy politikoy systhmatos.

SIDERHS: Otan exei 10 monades diafora h kybernhsh, ti to xreiazetai to dhmochfisma, prokeimenoy na kanei tis megales allages; 'Hdh, exei laikh entolh, af' enos kai af' eteroy, ean xasei ena dhmochfisma, paraiteitai;

MOSIALOS: Mexri twra, thn kybernhsh thn kathgoroyn politika kommata akomh kai polites -kai ayto eleipe, giati Dhmokratia exoyme- se orismenes apo tis diastaseis ths politikhs ths. Alla, mia ap' aytes tis kathgories einai oti piqanws na mhn akoyme toys polites. Emeis leme oti toys akoyme toys polites. Kai h diadikasia toy dhmochfismatos einai mia baqytath dhmokratikh diadikasia, mesw ths opoias oi polites mporoyn na ekfrasoyn th gnwmh toys. Ti epitygxanetai mesw ayths ths diadikasias, ayto qa prepei na doyme. An den diname ayth th dynatothta stoys polites, poy qetoyn terastia erwthmata, na milhsoyn, dioti oi idioi oi polites qetoyn ta erwthmata toy politikoy mas systhmatos kai to ti exei kanei to politiko systhma me th shmerinh toy domh. Kai oxi mono to politiko systhma. O asfyktikos enagkalismos twn triwn ejoysiwn: Ths dikastikhs ejoysias, ths ektelestikhs ejoysias kai ths nomoqetikhs ejoysias. Ayta einai koryfaia zhthmata poy yperbainoyn tis politikes enos kai monon kommatos kai einai qemata ta opoia qa prepei na ta syzhthsei o ellhnikos laos.

MARAQIAS: 'Hqela na rwthsw poso telika einai apofasismenh h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei sthn kaqarsh ston xwro toy podosfairoy kai ti shmainei ayto praktika apo thn pleyra eite ths taktikhs Dikaiosynhs, eite ths aqlhtikhs Dikaiosynhs. Perimenete kapoies ejelijeis ep' aytoy toy qematos;

MOSIALOS: Ayto poy qa qelame na dhlwsoyme emeis einai oti prwton: Den qa yparxoyn kybernhtikes parembaseis s' ayto ton tomea. Gnwrizete oti prin apo liges ebdomades yphrxe syskech ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kata th diarkeia ths opoias syzhthqhke metajy allwn kai ayto to qema. O Prwqypoyrgos kat' epanalhch exei dhlwsei oti qa prepei na yparxei diafaneia, apleto fws kai ejygiansh ston xwro toy podosfairoy. Apo ekei kai pera, emeis den parembainoyme ston rolo twn armodiwn dikastikwn Arxwn kai twn allwn forewn poy exoyn energopoihsei ayth thn ypoqesh. Kata th gnwmh moy, h ejelijh ayths ths ypoqeshs einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai ths ejygianshs toy sygkekrimenoy xwroy.

MARAQIAS: H kritikh poy askeitai oti me ayto to qema epixeireite apoprosanatolismo ths koinwnias apo ta megala oikonomika problhmata;

MOSIALOS: Ayto einai ena poly megalo qema. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs kai to epanalambanw ayto: Einai qema kai mono twn armodiwn dikastikwn Arxwn. Safestata kai kathgorhmatika h kybernhsh den epembainei sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. Qa prepei na doyme, omws, oti einai ena koryfaio qema to opoio apasxolei toys 'Ellhnes polites. Kai ayth th fora yparxei poly megalh diafaneia. Eimai pepeismenos oti h Dikaiosynh qa epitelesei to ergo ths anejarthta apo emas - emeis den parembainoyme- kai oti qa mpei mia tajh ston polypaqo xwro toy podosfairoy. Einai kai mia apaithsh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias na yparxei tajh.

SIDERHS: Kat' arxas na sas epishmanw oti yparxoyn syntagmatologoi oi opoioi lene oti h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos problepetai apo keimenes diadikasies, yparktes kai qesmoqethmenes, af' enos.

MOSIALOS: Bebaiws.

SIDERHS: H diamesolabhsh toy laoy se kapoia pragmata, mporei kallista na einai petagma ths mpalas sthn ejedra h laikismos. Deyteron, otan o k. Papandreoy mas ebale sthn pio istorikh kamph ths istorias meta ton polemo, sto mnhmonio, den eniwse thn eyaisqhsia kai thn anagkh na epikyrwqei apo ton ellhniko lao, oyte kan apo 180 boyleytes ayth h diadikasia kai niwqei twra thn anagkh na pame sto mnhmonio, epeidh brhke ta dyskola;

MOSIALOS: Epitrecte moy na sas qymisw to poy qa briskomastan ton Maio toy 2010 ean den eixame ejasfalisei tis daneiakes anagkes ths xwras se poly syntomo diasthma kai oi opoies, epishs na sas qymisw, ejasfalisqhkan kai mesw mias koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Tote den qa eixame xrhmata na plhrwsoyme misqoys kai syntajeis sto amesws epomeno diasthma. Epomenws, htan mia epitaktikh anagkh gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na balei to symferon ths xwras, panw apo to diko ths symferon. Genika, qa mporoysame na to ``paizoyme'' arestoi ston ellhniko lao. Qa mporoysame na eixame egkataleicei thn kybernhtikh diadikasia kai na kataggeiloyme thn kybernhsh ths N.D. gia th sysswreysh twn elleimmatwn kai th sysswreysh toy xreoys. Qa htan mia eykolh diadikasia tote. Den to kaname. Eimaste mia ypeyqynh kybernhsh kai qa synexisoyme na proaspizomaste prwta kai kyria to dhmosio symferon, to symferon twn Ellhnwn politwn kai ayta mpainoyn panw, poly panw apo to kommatiko symferon. 'Oson afora to dhmochfisma kai opws eseis to orisate oti einai mia diadikasia laikismoy, se kamia periptwsh na mhn ypotimate tis baqyteres dhmokratikes diadikasies poy dinoyn th dynatothta stoys 'Ellhnes polites na ekfrazoyn th gnwmh toys.

SEGKOS: Me sygxwreite, ep' aytoy: Dhladh, se enan ergazomeno poy toy kobete enan misqo mono me ta forologika kai alloys dyo peripoy me ta ypoloipa metra, ti qa toy peite; Zhse me tis allages sto politiko systhma;

MOSIALOS: Milhsa gia ta baqytera aitia ths krishs kai ena apo ta baqytera aitia ths krishs einai o asfyktikos enagkalismos twn ejoysiwn. Yparxei kai ena allos asfyktikos enagkalismos: Kratoys - politikwn kommatwn - idiwtikwn symferontwn kai mesw aytwn kai ths idias ths koinwnias. 'Exoyme ena paragwgiko montelo to opoio den mporei na mas bgalei apo thn krish. Otan eisageis 45 disekatommyria eyrw kai ejageis 15 disekatommyria eyrw kai exeis ena elleimma emporikoy isozygioy 30 disekatommyria eyrw, tote den mporeis na proxwrhseis ws xwra. Gia na proxwrhseis ws xwra, qa prepei na yparxei mia epanadiatajh olwn aytwn twn paragontwn kai milhsa gi' ayta. To politiko systhma, ta politika kommata, o kratismos poy kyriarxhse sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, o idiwtikos tomeas poy einai parasitikos en pollois, me tis ejaireseis twn idiwtikwn etaireiwn poy symballoyn stis ejagwgikes dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla aytes einai oi ejaireseis. Ean den allajoyn ola ayta, pali qa syzhtame gia to epifainomeno kai to epifainomeno einai to elleimma kai to xreos poy sysswreyontai logw twn domikwn problhmatwn - twn politikwn kai twn oikonomikwn- ths ellhnikhs koinwnias.

FOYRLHS: Mia teleytaia dieykrinish. Mas ejhghsate oti o efarmostikos nomos perilambanei thn proetoimasia toy qesmikoy plaisioy gia tis idiwtikopoihseis...

MOSIALOS: Oxi thn proetoimasia. To qesmiko plaisio.

FOYRLHS: ... ayto shmainei oti qa prepei na perimenoyme perissotero gia na doyme apofaseis kai sygkekrimenes kinhseis sto metwpo twn idiwtikopoihsewn; Qa xreiastoyn ebdomades, mhnes, qa einai entos toy qeroys; Qelw na pw, xronika, pote prosdiorizete thn energopoihsh pleon ths diadikasias twn idiwtikopoihsewn, afoy qa exei oloklhrwqei to plaisio oti qa yparxei o foreas.

MOSIALOS: Qa prepei na katanohsoyme oti prwta qa prepei na yparxei enas foreas. Kai molis systaqei o foreas, qa ejelixqei to strathgiko plaisio ths kybernhshs gia thn allhloyxia twn idiwtikopoihsewn. Alla, na qespisoyme prwta ton forea, na yparxei to dioikhtiko symboylio aytoy toy forea kai h symboyleytikh toy epitroph, h opoia qa perilambanei kai jenoys empeirognwmones. Sto D.S. qa symmetexoyn mono Ellhnes kai qa ginei kai mesw koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias. Ayta problepontai kai perigrafontai ston efarmostiko nomo. Molis oloklhrwqei to qesmiko plaisio, qa anakoinwqei kai h strathgikh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia tis idiwtikopoihseis.

FOYRLHS: Xronika, pote...

MOSIALOS: Ayto qa ginei sto ameso mellon. Dhladh, syntoma. Den qa einai to 2012 ayth h strathgikh, profanws qa einai stoys epomenoys 2-3 mhnes.

SIDERHS: H chfish meshmeri kai oxi brady, ws eiqistai, shmainei oti krybeste apo ton lao;

MOSIALOS: Ma, ti lete!!!... Me sygxwreite, exoyme systhmatikh tetrahmerh koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Deytera, Trith, Tetarth kai Pempth, dhladh tesseris hmeres qa syzhtame sth Boylh. Ola ta M.M.E. exoyn dei to programma poy exoyme, dhladh, to mesoproqesmo kai ton efarmostiko nomo. Yparxoyn allepallhles syzhthseis, oxi mono se koinoboyleytiko epipedo, alla pantoy. Dhladh, tiqetai qema wras ean qa einai stis 3 to meshmeri h stis 8 to brady; Ola einai diafanh.

SIDERHS: Nai, giati h plateia qa htan poly pio gemath. Ayto ennooysa gia ton lao, oxi oti leitoyrgeite en kryptw.

MOSIALOS: Den leitoyrgei kanenas en kryptw.

SIDERHS: Den eipa kati tetoio. Ypo ton fobo omws ths plateias...

MOSIALOS: To programma mas einai safes, safestato. To mesoproqesmo programma einai en gnwsei oloy toy ellhnikoy laoy edw kai ebdomades. O efarmostikos nomos einai en gnwsei toy ellhnikoy laoy kai einai para poly leptomerhs kai analytikos. Den exoyme na krycoyme tipota kai sebomaste tis dhmokratikes diadikasies. Kalo einai na tis sebontai kai ta M.M.E. kai oxi mono oi politikoi.

Sas eyxaristw. --1427249692-1503587540-1309209524=:19183--


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