Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-06-11

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Ioynioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw, arxikws, gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:

Ayth thn wra, exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs Mixalh Xrysoxoidh kai to apogeyma qa labei meros sth synedriash ths Boylhs, opoy meta apo protash ths k. Paparhga qa ginei syzhthsh gia to koinwniko kratos.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synergastei me ypoyrgoys kai yphresiakoys paragontes, sto plaisio ths proetoimasias gia th Synodo Koryfhs ths E.E. sto Gketemporgk. To apogeyma, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias qa anaxwrhsei gia tis Bryjelles, opoy qa symmetasxei sth Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO. Thn Pempth qa metabei apo th belgikh prwteyoysa sth soyhdikh polh, opoy qa labei meros sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas qa hqela na epanalabw th qesh mas gia thn krish poy einai se ejelijh sto geitoniko kratos ths FYROM. Exoyme pei, kat epanalhch, oti h opoia lysh prepei na anazhthqei mesw ths diplwmatikhs kai politikhs odoy. O "dieqnotikos" dialogos einai o monos dromos poy mporei na odhghsei se synennohsh twn politikwn dynamewn. Antimetwpizoyme arnhtika kai eimaste kathgorhmatika antiqetoi se kaqe apopeira allaghs toy synoriakoy kaqestwtos sthn perioxh. Katadikazoyme kai eimaste apofasistika antiqetoi se kaqe energeia bias, prokeimenoy na prowqhqoyn politika sxedia twn opoiwn dynamewn.

Epishs, gnwrizete oti exoyme ypoballei sygkekrimeno sxedio sthn E.E.. To Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn poy synedriazei shmera sto Loyjemboyrgo qa asxolhqei, kyriws, me ayto to qema. O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy qa shkwsei megalo baros sth syzhthsh ayth, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqei apo thn E.E. lysh se ayth thn krish. O k. Solana, o opoios prosfata episkefqhke ta Skopia qa enhmerwsei toys ypoyrgoys Ejwterikwn gia na katalhjoyn se mia qesh, h opoia elpizoyme na einai perissotero apotelesmatikh, se sxesh me tis prwtoboylies poy analhfqhkan gia thn antimetwpish ths krishs ayths sto prosfato parelqon.

Prepei, akomh, na sas pw -epeidh ginetai pollh syzhthsh kai kykloforoyn fhmes gia endexomenes epiqeseis se diafores monades kai ellhnikwn symferontwn- oti h katastash parakoloyqeitai systhmatika apo th dikh mas pleyra. Exoyme epikoinwnia me tis diplwmatikes yphresies mas poy briskontai ekei, alla kai me yphresiakoys paragontes toy geitonikoy kratoys, wste na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno. Qelw na sas diabebaiwsw oti apo thn pleyra mas ginetai oti einai dynato gia na antimetwpisoyme kaqe ejelijh, h opoia mporei na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sth leitoyrgia epixeirhsewn h epixeirhsiakwn monadwn ellhnikwn symferontwn sto kratos twn Skopiwn.

Gia ena allo qema poy afora tis genikes ejetaseis, qelw na tonisw oti ta qemata poy doqhkan sto maqhma ths Xhmeias perilambanontai sth didaktea ylh. Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy exei kanei h KEGE, h opoia einai h monh armodia na epilegei kai na qetei ta qemata twn ejetasewn. Epanalambanw th qesh toy ypoyrgoy Paideias, o opoios gia mia akomh fora kalei ola ta kommata na proselqoyn sto ypoyrgeio ean epiqymoyn na plhroforhqoyn leptomereies gyrw apo ta qemata twn ejetasewn. Alliws, qa prepei na apofygoyn -mono kai mono gia th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn- na katafeygoyn se asthriktes antipoliteytikes korwnes, pragma to opoio strefetai telikws enantion twn maqhtwn. Giati, opoios dhmioyrgei amfisbhthsh kai anhsyxia, kaqws oi ejetaseis einai se ejelijh, antilambaneste pws dyskoleyei thn prospaqeia twn maqhtwn. Qa prepei, loipon, na eimaste perissotero ypeyqynoi otan anaferomaste h xeirizomaste tetoioy eidoys qemata.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Eipate oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai etoimh na antimetwpisei kaqe ejelijh se periptwsh poy yparjei problhma me ta ellhnika symferonta poy ekproswpoyntai sta Skopia. Me poioys tropoys;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, exoyme ena tetoio diktyo epikoinwnias, wste na gnwrizoyme ana pasa stigmh poies einai oi endexomenes ejelijeis. Apo ekei kai pera, qa analhfqoyn oles ekeines oi prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme ta symferonta twn ellhnikwn monadwn, alla bebaiws kai thn asfaleias ths zwhs twn politwn kai twn stelexwn poy ergazontai stis monades aytes.

MIXAHL: Na jekinhsw apo to teleytaio sas sxolio poy afora stis genikes ejetaseis. Pisteyete oti oi antipoliteytikes korwnes einai elleich plhroforhshs h einai politikh epilogh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw -isws to gnwrizete ki eseis- oti thn Paraskeyh, 1h Ioynioy, o ypoyrgos Paideias apeyqynqhke stoys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn kai toys kalese na ejoysiodothsoyn ekproswpoys toys, oi opoioi, proserxomenoi sto ypoyrgeio Paideias, qa exoyn mia plhrh kai se baqos enhmerwsh gia ta qemata twn genikwn ejetasewn. Oydeis antapokriqhke se ayth thn prosklhsh. Kai enw oydeis antapokriqhke se ayth thn prosklhsh, blepoyme na ginontai dhlwseis gi` ayta ta qemata, me tropo o opoios den exei kanena antikrisma alhqeias. Ara, loipon, mporei na pei kaneis oti gia antipoliteytikoys mikrokommatikoys logoys kai mono, kapoioi katafeygoyn se aytoy toy eidoys thn epiqesh enantion ths kybernhshs, adiaforwntas pantelws poy diatarassoyn to hremo klima entos toy opoioy qa prepei na ejelixqoyn kai na oloklhrwqoyn oi ejetaseis, afoy h periodos ayth, me tis ejetaseis, einai mia dokimasia twn maqhtwn. H prospaqeia twn maqhtwn einai se ejelijh. Qa prepei na sebastoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanoyn oi maqhtes.

MIXAHL: H deyterh erwthsh poy qelw na sas qesw einai h ejhs: Diabazoyme synexws gia qema anasxhmatismoy ths kybernhshs. H pagia qesh poy ekfrasthke apo ton Prwqypoyrgo einai "den kanoyme anasxhmatismo", opws kai eseis exete pei, kat` epanalhch. Den sas problhmatizei, omws, to gegonos oti, enw o Prwqypoyrgos leei "den kanw", emfanizetai pia mia pleiada stelexwn olwn twn baqmidwn kai zhtoyn allages. Dhladh, einai san na zhtoyn kati apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai aytos peismatika na leei oxi.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, qema anasxhmatismoy den apasxolei ton Prwqypoyrgo. Katopin toytoy, osa grafontai kai legontai einai xwris antikeimeno. Qa elega oti eseis, otan grafete h anafereste sto qema ayto, prepei na eiste poly pio feidwloi, poly pio prosektikoi. Kai sto plaisio synenteyjewn, otan ena politiko stelexos brisketai apenanti se mia tetoia erwthsh, prepei na kanei ena sxolio, na dwsei mia apanthsh. Ara, loipon, to qema prokyptei, epeidh tiqetai kyriws apo thn pleyra twn MME. Sas lew, loipon, oti tetoio qema einai xwris antikeimeno. Den prepei na sas apasxolei, afoy den apasxolei kai den antimetwpizei tetoio qema o idios o Prwqypoyrgos.

MIXAHL: To qema den einai an rwtame emeis esas. Eseis apantate, thn apoch sas lete, opws kai ola ta stelexh. H synolikh eikona, omws, poy ftanei pia sto meso polith einai: Apantwntas stis dikes mas erwthseis, me ayth th logikh poy lete, ta stelexh sas, lene na ginei anasxhmatismos kai exoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo na leei oti den kanoyme anasxhmatismo. Bebaia, diko toy dikaiwma einai, alla san eikona sas rwtw.

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti ola ta stelexh anagnwrizoyn pws ayto apotelei apokleistikh armodiothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai monon aytoy. Apo ekei kai pera, o Prwqypoyrgos milhse prwtogenws o idios -ton akoysate oloi- apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh. Qa meinoyme, loipon, sth qesh ayth. Tetoio qema den yfistatai.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate oti den apasxolei ton Prwqypoyrgo anasxhmatismos. H k. Papandreoy, xqes, eipe oti "yparxei pagkos kai kalos malista" sto PASOK, sthn kybernhsh, ws omada milhse. Kai o k. Pagkalos, se allh synenteyjh, amfiballei gia to an h kybernhsh mporei na proxwrhsei etsi, me ayto to sxhma, me ayth thn eikona poy paroysiazetai. Ayto den sas apasxolei; Dhladh, "pame etsi eyqeia"; Den yparxei oyte dejia, oyte aristera;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, ayto to anagnwrizoyn oloi. To oti, dhladh, to PASOK exei pleiada ikanwn stelexwn se oloys toys tomeis kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Den qa htan allwste dynato na exei toses, epanalambanomenes eklogikes epityxies, an den eixe toso polla ikana stelexh se olh thn Ellada. Qa proseqeta oti, oxi mono oi boyleytes toy PASOK, alla kai oi ypochfioi boyleytes, aytoi poy edwsan th maxh symmetexontas sta chfodeltia twn prosfatwn eklogwn, toy prohgoymenoy xronoy, htan tetoioy epipedoy, wste na peisoyn ton ellhniko lao kai to PASOK na kerdisei kai pali thn empistosynh kai thn chfo twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ara, loipon, den tiqetai qema ajiosynhs twn stelexwn toy PASOK, se oles tis baqmides, se ola ta epipeda. Alla, den syzhtoyme gi` ayto, twra. To oti to PASOK exei poly megalo ariqmo ajiologotatwn stelexwn, ayto einai gnwsto edw kai xronia kai to anagnwrizoyn kai oi politikoi antipaloi mas. Kai einai ena apo ta kleidia twn eklogikwn epityxiwn toy PASOK.

KARGOYDH: Sth dhlwsh sas gia thn katastash twn Skopiwn, epanalabate thn antiqesh ths xwras sthn allagh twn synorwn kai eipate oti katadikazete thn prowqhsh kapoiwn politikwn sxediwn kapoiwn dynamewn...

REPPAS: "Opoiwn dynamewn", eipa. Gnwrizete poies einai oi dynameis oi opoies, sth sygkekrimenh perioxh, kinoyntai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Einai omades Albanwn poy exoyn sygkekrimena politika sxedia, ta opoia epidiwkoyn na prowqhsoyn. Omws, h prospaqeia toys ayth apodokimazetai apo oloys kai apo thn kybernhsh ths Albanias. To lew ayto, giati h opoia prospaqeia dynamewn se ayth thn kateyqynsh, shmera, xqes h kai ayrio, qa synanthsei thn kathgorhmatikh antiqesh kai antidrash olwn mas. Paramenoyme sth qesh oti prepei na ginei sebasto to synoriako kaqestws sthn eyryterh perioxh.

KARGOYDH: Eseis ektimate oti aytes oi albanikes dynameis leitoyrgoyn af` eaytes; Den exoyn kapoia yposthrijh apo dieqneis paragontes;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta, me diaforoys tropoys kai se polles eykairies, se ola ta epipeda, exei apodokimasei aytoy toy eidoys th drasthriothta, thn opoia malista exei onomasei "tromokratikh". Ara, loipon, den nomizw oti yparxei kapoios o opoios prosferei politikh sthrijh se aytes tis tromokratikes omades. Kalo einai, loipon, me politiko kai diplwmatiko tropo, na parameinoyme se ayth th sqenarh antidrash enanti aytwn twn tromokratikwn energeiwn, prokeimenoy na epanelqei h hremia sto kratos ayto.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To endexomeno mias ellhnikhs stratiwtikhs paroysias sthn P.G.D.M., einai kati to opoio h ellhnikh kybernhsh to ejetazei kai monomerws;

REPPAS: Den ejetazoyme tetoio qema. Oyte kan mas apasxolei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete thn tyxh ths ellhnikhs protashs pros toys Eyrwpaioys kai pros tis politikes dynameis ths P.G.D.M.

REPPAS: Den eipa tyxaia oti o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn qa shkwsei megalo baros sto plaisio ths shmerinhs syzhthshs. Megalo baros ths prospaqeias poy kanei h E.E. gia na brei lysh kai na antimetwpisei thn krish sto kratos twn Skopiwn. H syzhthsh ginetai twra, einai se ejelijh, den mporoyme na gnwrizoyme poia einai h kateyqynsh sthn opoia odhgeitai to Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn ths E.E., gia na kanoyme ena teliko sxolio. Pisteyoyme, omws, apo tis prwtes proseggiseis, oti h protash ayth apotelei mia kalh bash thn opoia dexontai oloi, prokeimenoy panw se aythn, anaptyssontas prwtoboylies, na ejeyroyn lysh sto problhma poy mas apasxolei oloys.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Sthn kypriakh kybernhsh, ayth th stigmh, yparxei entonos problhmatismos gia tis nees ejelijeis, meta to irlandiko dhmochfisma poy afora th synqhkh ths Nikaias gia to qema ths dieyrynshs ths E.E., to opoio afora amesa kai thn Kypro. H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai kai ayth problhmatismenh me aytes tis ejelijeis h pisteyei oti den prokeitai na allajei h synqhkh ths Nikaias;

REPPAS: Emeis, opws kai to synolo twn xwrwn ths E.E., epiqymoyme th dieyrynsh ths. Sto prwto kyma dieyrynshs, metajy twn allwn xwrwn, anhkei kai h Kypros. Me ayth thn ennoia, h politikh dieyrynshs ths E.E. mas endiaferei oloys idiaiterws. To dhmochfisma sthn Irlandia edwse ena apotelesma, to opoio qa prepei na to antimetwpisei, kyriws, h kybernhsh ths Irlandias. Asfalws, h Eyrwph kai emeis den menoyme adiaforoi. Anamenoyme, loipon, prwtoboylies apo thn pleyra ths irlandikhs kybernhshs, h opoia pisteyoyme oti, prin perasei o krisimos xronos, qa analabei aytes tis prwtoboylies kai qa antimetwpisei to problhma poy dhmioyrghqhke. Pisteyoyme oti ayto den einai tipote allo, para mia parenqesh sthn poreia dieyrynshs ths E.E., sthn kateyqynsh ths eyrwpaikhs oloklhrwshs.

MIXAHL: O k. Pagkalos, ektos ths kritikhs poy ekane sthn kybernhsh, ekane kai mia kataggelia aixmhs kata sygkekrimenwn ypoyrgwn, toys opoioys den katonomase, oti adiaforoyn gia oles tis paranomies poy ginontai apo poleodomikhs pleyras, eneka megalwn symferontwn sthn paraliakh perioxh ths notias Attikhs. H kybernhsh ti sxolio exei;

REPPAS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti kaqe stelexos leei tis apoceis toy, poy einai sebastes. Den symfwnoyme me kapoies apoceis, oi opoies den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia. Gnwrizete, gia paradeigma, oti oi yphresies ths Poleodomias anhkoyn, edw kai xronia, sth Nomarxiakh kai thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena genikotero sxolio: Polles fores h kybernhsh kathgoreitai apo ta MME, gia energeies, prwtoboylies h armodiothtes poy prepei na askhqoyn apo alla organa. Exw polla paradeigmata na anaferw: Kaleite thn kybernhsh na dwsei armodiothtes sthn Anejarthth Arxh, sto ESR. Otan o k. Xythrhs, apantwntas sth Boylh gia mia sygkekrimenh ekpomph, ena sygkekrimeno thleoptiko programma, leei oti to logo exei to ESR, to diko sas sxolio einai oti h kybernhsh kanei ``mpalaki'' to qema sto ESR. Allh periptwsh: Dinoyme armodiothtes sth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh. Otan leme oti ayta ta qemata anhkoyn sto pedio armodiothtwn ths Nomarxiakhs Aytodioikhshs, to diko sas sxolio einai oti h kybernhsh, ws Pontios Pilatos , niptei tas xeiras ths kai parapempei sth Nomarxiakh Aytodioikhsh. Ma, ti qelete epiteloys; Qelete na krathsei oles tis armodiothtes to legomeno ``kentriko kratos'' kai na elegxetai gia to pws kai an askei aytes tis armodiothtes; Oloi den zhtate na apokentrwsoyme armodiothtes, yphresies kai na metaferoyme poroys sthn Perifereia h se organa ths Aytodioikhshs h se Anejarthtes Arxes; Otan, ginetai ayto, omws, qa prepei na elegxete ta organa ekeina sta opoia exoyn apodoqei aytes oi armodiothtes. Ayto einai ena genikotero sxolio poy exei thn ajia toy. To syzhtw me aformh thn erwthsh sas. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizete oti tetoioy eidoys problhmata kakodioikhshs kai diafqoras yparxoyn se ola ta krath kai sto ellhniko kratos. Exoyme anoikto metwpo apenanti sth diafqora kai se omoia fainomena. Yparxoyn diadikasies, entos ths Dioikhshs, basei twn opoiwn prepei na antimetwpistoyn tetoia fainomena, otan ekdhlwnontai. Tote oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi prepei na epembainoyn me dikaiosynh kai aysthrothta kai na apodidoyn eyqynes se aytoys poy tis exoyn, efoson yparxoyn kapoioi poy tis exoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Epeidh, shmera einai epeteios, san shmera prin apo dyo xronia, jekinhse h eisodos twn NATOikwn strateymatwn sto Kossyfopedio kai tote ayth h kinhsh eixe synodeytei apo diqyramboys kai sth xwra mas, qa hqela to sxolio sas gia ta apotelesmata sta Balkania, meta apo dyo xronia.

REPPAS: Prin apo peripoy dyo xronia jekinhse o polemos sth Gioygkoslabia. Gnwrizete kala poia htan h politikh ths kybernhshs. Mia politikh synepoys stashs apenanti stis ypoxrewseis poy eixe, sto plaisio twn Dieqnwn Organismwn, mia politikh omws yperaspishs, kyriws, toy eqnikoy symferontos, pragma to opoio anagnwrise o ellhnikos laos stis ekloges poy eginan peripoy ena xrono prin. Dyo xronia exoyn perasei apo th gioygkoslabikh krish kai exoyme peripoy ena xrono apo tis ekloges. Stis ekloges aytes o ellhnikos laos, metajy twn allwn, ektimhse th stash ths kybernhshs kata th diarkeia ths gioygkoslabikhs krishs. Kai metajy twn allwn, lambanontas ypoch thn ypeyqynh stash poy akoloyqhse h kybernhsh, diasfalizontas to eqniko symferon, ekane thn epilogh toy kai edwse thn chfo toy ston Kwsta Shmith kai sto PASOK.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stis mises xwres ths E.E. me ligotero fileleyqera kai dhmokratika Syntagmata, apo ayto poy exoyme emeis @kai oi xarakthrismoi einai ths kybernhshs kai twn eishghtwn ths pleiochfias gia to neo Syntagma ths xwras...

REPPAS: Einai h alhqeia.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Me bash, loipon, ayth thn alhqeia yparxei mia anantistoixia giati stis mises xwres, me ligotero fileleyqera kai dhmokratika Syntagmata, exei doqei h dynatothta stoys laoys toys na apofanqoyn gia qemata ths .E.E. H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa dwsei ayth th dynatothta ston ellhniko lao;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti den tiqetai sthn koinh gnwmh opoiodhpote tetoio qema amfibolias, anhsyxias, antirrhshs h amfisbhthshs ths poreias ths xwras mas entos ths E.E. Qa poy epitrecete na pw oti den eqese oydeis tetoio qema. To qetei mono to KKE, gia logoys toys opoioys oloi antilambanomaste, prokeimenoy na katagracei tis dynameis toy, ws h allh pleyra, gia na kathgorei ola ta alla politika kommata, oti "anhkoyn katw apo thn omprela ths idias politikhs". Ayto einai ena qema politikhs taktikhs, to opoio den exei kamia sxesh me ta zwtika symferonta ths xwras, ta opoia epiballoyn h Ellada na einai paroysa stoys megaloys Organismoys, poly perissotero sthn E.E. Prosfata giname melos ths ONE. Se ligotero apo epta-oktw mhnes qa exoyme sth diaqesh mas to koino eyrwpaiko nomisma. Pisteyw oti ayto einai mia katakthsh gia th xwra mas. O ellhnikos laos xairetizei ayth thn proodo poy exei syntelestei sthn patrida mas kai oydeis epiqymei epistrofh sto parelqon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den tiqetai qema gia dhmochfisma, h Ekklhsia den qetei ena zhthma;

REPPAS: H Ekklhsia me to KKE, mporei na pei kaneis, oti einai mia "symmaxia", mono omws se qemata taktikhs, afoy h kaqe pleyra zhta dhmochfismata gia diaforetika qemata. H kybernhsh kai ta alla politika kommata exoyn mia ypeyqynh stash, oson afora basika zhthmata ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras h basika zhthmata ths eqnikhs poreias. Basiko zhthma, loipon, ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras einai o sebasmos twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn. Basiko stoixeio ths eqnikhs poreias einai h symmetoxh ths Elladas se megaloys Dieqneis Organismoys. H qesh mas einai safhs kai einai h telikh qesh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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