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Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-19

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 19.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS & KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Shmera, o Prwqypoyrgos episkefqhke ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Ton enhmerwse gia trexonta qemata ths epikairothtas, oson afora thn eswterikh kai ejwterikh politikh. Syzhthse mazi toy to qema ths diorganwshs ths Olympiadas toy 2004. Proteine ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias na teqei epikefalhs, ws Proedros, ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs, sthn opoia, opws exoyme anakoinwsei, qa laboyn meros oles oi dynameis toy topoy, prokeimenoy na symbaloyn sthn epityxia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Logw ths syntagmatikhs problechs toy arqroy 30 par.2, kata thn opoia den einai dynaton o Proedros na exei opoiodhpote allo ajiwma, qesh h ergo, den qa einai Proedros ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Alla, h Epitroph ayth, meta apo protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa telei ypo thn aigida toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Ws ek toytoy, Proedros ths Epitrophs qa einai o Prwqypoyrgos. Proedros ths 15meloys Organwtikhs Epitrophs, poy qa parakoloyqei se kaqhmerinh bash ta sxetika me th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas, qa analabei o k. Straths Strathghs. To prosxedio nomoy, to opoio perilambanei oles tis sxetikes ryqmiseis gia to organwtiko sxhma, ta kaqhkonta kai tis armodiothtes twn melwn poy qa stelexwsoyn ta organa ta opoia dhmioyrgoyntai, doqhke ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias, qa doqei sta politika kommata kai stoys foreis, syntomotata. Einai qema hmerwn na prowqhqei sth Boylh, prokeimenoy na katastei nomos toy kratoys. Kai etsi, qa anakoinwqoyn kai ta onomata ekeinwn, oi opoioi qa stelexwsoyn ayta ta organa.

LAKOPOYLOS: To nomosxedio eipate oti doqhke;

REPPAS: Oxi, to prosxedio. Ena sxedio nomosxedioy, qa elega.

* Oson afora th drasthriothta toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ayth thn ebdomada, gnwrizete oti se ligh wra, sta kentrika grafeia toy PASOK, peran ths teleths ths kophs ths pitas, qa synedriasei to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Qa asxolhqei me ta qemata twn ypochfiwn dhmarxwn stis megales poleis.

* Thn Tetarth, o Prwqypoyrgos qa labei meros sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia "H "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy", apantwntas se epikairh erwthsh toy k. Sioyfa, oson afora ta porismata poy exoyn ekdwsei oi diakommatikes epitropes apo to 1990 kai meta. Epishs, qa apanthsei se erwthsh toy boyleyth Giannh Zafeiropoyloy, gia qemata poy aforoyn thn organwsh ths Olympiadas.

* Peran twn allwn syskecewn poy exoyn programmatistei gi' ayth thn ebdomada, stis opoies den anaferomai me leptomereies shmera, mporw na pw mono oti qa synedriasei thn Paraskeyh to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Sthn hmerhsia diatajh symperilambanetai h syzhthsh kai h lhch apofashs gia to arqro 19 toy Kwdika Iqageneias kai epishs, symperilambanetai to qema ths poiothtas twn ylikwn kai twn parexomenwn yphresiwn apo to Dhmosio.

* En taxei, qa anaferqw se orismenes alles drasthriothtes: Ayrio, Trith, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me boyleytes poy eklegontai stis eklogikes perifereies twn nomwn Peloponnhsoy kai Dytikhs Elladas. Exei syskech gia qemata Plhroforikhs sto Dhmosio me synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys. Ayth thn ebdomada, epishs, qa synergastei me stelexh - melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn poy exei egkainiasei edw kai arketes hmeres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pote kai poioys qa dei;

REPPAS: Shmera exei synanthsh me ton k. Gewrgio Papandreoy, thn Tetarth qa exei synanthsh me thn ka Maria Arsenh kai ton k. Manwlh Daskalakh...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Me ton k. Pagkalo...;

REPPAS: Qa exei kai me ton k. Pagkalo ayth thn ebdomada. Den exei kaqoristei akomh h hmera. Isws ayth thn ebdomada na ginei kai ayth h synanthsh, analogws kai toy programmatos toy k. Pagkaloy.

KOGIANNHS: Me ton k. Giwrgo Papandreoy, ti wra qa ginei;

REPPAS: Twra, to meshmeri. Prin apo th synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Sto plaisio aytoy toy programmatismoy, epeidh grafhke ston Typo, qa yparxei sygklhsh kapoioy organoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn;

REPPAS: Den einai programmatismenh tetoia synanthsh. Oi synergasies aytes toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys Ypoyrgoys, gnwrizete oti einai taktikes. Den eimai se qesh, ayth thn wra, na sas anakoinwsw kapoia tetoia, eyreias morfhs, syskech.

KIAOS: Poies einai oi skeceis ths Kybernhshs kai poios o telikos skopos poy yphretei h diatajh sto forologiko nomosxedio, me thn opoia parakamptetai h diadikasia twn syllogikwn symbasewn kai ryqmizontai qemata sxesewn ergasias k.lp. twn ergazomenwn, me nomo; Kai to lew edw mesa, epeidh den einai aplws ena syndikalistiko qema toy Ypoyrgeioy Ergasias, epeidh aptetai genikotera ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Gi' ayto to fernw sto PRESS ROOM.

REPPAS: To qema twn syllogikwn symbasewn oydolws qigetai apo mia tetoia ryqmish. Pragmati, sto forologiko nomosxedio exei perilhfqei diatajh, symfwna me thn opoia to qema twn allagwn stoys genikoys kanonismoys proswpikoy diaforwn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy, mporei na antimetwpizetai mesw ths nomoqetikhs diadikasias sth Boylh. Gia to qema ayto isxyei o nomos 2414, o opoios sto arqro 4 par. 10 problepei pws gia na allajei o genikos kanonismos proswpikoy se mia DEKO, qa prepei na ekfrasoyn symfwnh gnwmh oi ergazomenoi. H prwtoboylia thn opoia exei analabei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn problepei oti gia epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, oi opoies briskontai se mia diadikasia ejygianshs, epixorhgoyntai dhladh apo ton kratiko proypologismo, apo to Dhmosio, h epixeirhseis poy einai eishgmenes sto Xrhmatisthrio, h diadikasia ths allaghs toy genikoy kanonismoy proswpikoy, mporei na prowqhqei mesw ths nomoqetikhs diadikasias. Den pairnei sygkekrimenh qesh epi ths oysias twn ergasiakwn sxesewn, h ryqmish ayth. Apla, proteinei mia allh diadikasia. Den ephreazei kaqoloy to qema twn symbasewn ergasias h twn syllogikwn symbasewn -aytes synexizoyn na yparxoyn kai qa apoteloyn antikeimeno syzhthshs twn dyo pleyrwn. Einai ena qema to opoio apasxolei thn Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh exei epidiwjei kai exei synergasia kai me toys endiaferomenoys, me toys ergazomenoys, me toys ekproswpoys toys, me ta syndikata toys. Pisteyoyme pws mia tetoia diatajh exei th qesh ths, epeidh briskomaste, se para polles periptwseis -oi perissoteres qa elega periptwseis twn dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn- mprosta sto fainomeno oi epixeirhseis aytes na exoyn megala elleimmata. Qa prepei na ejygianqoyn. Qa prepei, loipon, s' ayth thn kateyqynsh, me kalh pisth, na symbaloyn oles oi pleyres. Den qigetai to kaqestws ergasias, epanalambanw, oswn apasxoloyntai stis dhmosies aytes epixeirhseis.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa, giati parakamptetai h diadikasia poy isxyei ws twra kai poy einai qesmos.

REPPAS: Sas eipa, poia einai h diadikasia. H diadikasia ayth exei egkaqidryqei me nomo, ton opoio h Kybernhsh toy PASOK eixe proteinei sth Boylh. H Kybernhsh, me th diatajh poy perilambanetai sto forologiko nomosxedio, proteinei na antikatastaqei h diadikasia ayth me allh, h opoia qa problefqei me nomo, otan syntrexei logos, o opoios, sto plaisio ths diafaneias twn koinoboyleytikwn diadikasiwn, mporei na antimetwpisei ayta ta qemata.

KIAOS: Den moy apanthsate "giati";

REPPAS: Ma, sas apanthsa. Giati ayth einai mia epilogh, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme megala problhmata, ta opoia oi epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy, se megalo ariqmo qa elega, exoyn mprosta toys. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti h nomoqetikh diadikasia, toylaxiston kaqoson afora th dikh mas Kybernhsh, metajy twn allwn, diakrinetai gia thn epidiwjh synennohshs, dialogoy, symfwnias, prokeimenoy oi ryqmiseis poy aforoyn ergazomenoys, na exoyn ejasfalisei kai th dikh toys egkrish.

KIAOS: Akribws, proxwreite se nees diadikasies, afhnontas sthn akrh thn allh pleyra poy legetai "syndikalismos";

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Eipa oti yparxei ayth h epikoinwnia, alla antilambaneste kai eseis pws an, pragmatika, prepei na proxwrhsoyme se metarryqmistikes tomes, prokeimenoy na ejygianoyme kai na bohqhsoyme tis dhmosies epixeirhseis na ginoyn perissotero antagwnistikes, einai, metajy twn allwn, kai ayto ena qema poy prepei na mas apasxolhsei. Kai mas apasxolei.

KOGIANNHS: Stoxos ths Kybernhshs, dhladh, einai na qijei pronomia twn ergazomenwn sta opoia fobatai oti den qa synainesoyn oi syndikalistes;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw oti h diatajh ayth den anaferetai sthn oysia ths diadikasias poy qa akoloyqeitai efejhs, efoson bebaiws h diatajh ayth chfistei kai katastei nomos. Anaferetai ston tropo me ton opoio qa antimetwpizontai ta qemata poy aforoyn tis allages se Kanonismoys Proswpikoy diaforwn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy. Kaqe allo para epiqymoyme na qijoyme to kaqestws ergasias oswn apasxoloyntai stis epixeirhseis aytes. Pisteyoyme oti, opws kai ekeinoi, etsi kai emeis ws Kybernhsh, exoyme ypoxrewsh na analaboyme oles tis qetikes prwtoboylies gia na katasthsoyme pio antagwnistikes tis dhmosies epixeirhseis, idiws ekeines poy einai sto Xrhmatisthrio h ekeines oi opoies, epeidh paroysiazoyn ychla elleimmata, epixorhgoyntai apo to Dhmosio.

DHMAKAS: Ej oswn egine gnwsto, h Toyrkia proxwra se neo kyklo askhsewn sto Aigaio. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths Kybernhshs ep' aytoy;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti, epeidh akribws se polloys tomeis yparxei mia diadikasia se ejelijh -opws gia paradeigma, sto plaisio toy NATO ejelissetai h diadikasia gia ta metra oikodomhshs empistosynhs- einai paralogh, toylaxiston kai perissotero apo antifatikh, h stash ths Toyrkias: Thn wra poy yparxei se ejelijh ayth h diadikasia, taytoxronws, h Toyrkia me th symperifora ths, thn atakth stratiwtikh drash thn opoia anaptyssei, na dhmioyrgei ojynsh stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Pisteyoyme oti sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs ths h Toyrkia qa prepei na apofygei na xrhsimopoiei tis Enoples Dynameis ths, kata ton tropo poy to kanei mexri twra. Einai aparadekto kai nomizw oti thn idia, telikws, ekqetei. Xwris na ths lynei kanena problhma, ths dhmioyrgei polla.

DHMAKAS: Prokyptei apo osa lete h qa mporoyse na symperanei kaneis, oti h Aqhna proteinei ena moratorioym, estw kai atypo, mexri na yparjei lysh sto qema twn Metrwn Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs (MOE);

REPPAS: H Aqhna den proteinei kapoio moratorioym, giati eida na grafetai kai ayto. H Aqhna proteinei na sebomaste to Dieqnes Dikaio, na throyme tis Synqhkes oi opoies orizoyn to kaqestws sthn perioxh kai oi opoies apoteloyn th bash gia thn anaptyjh twn sxesewn metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Apo ekei kai pera, pisteyoyme oti h kaqe pleyra prepei na deijei kalh pisth, prokeimenoy na ejomalynqoyn oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Kai kalh pisth epideiknyetai, otan apofeygeis tetoioy eidoys proklhtikes kai epiqetikes energeies, san aytes stis opoies probainei h Toyrkia.

BITSENTZOY: Mhpws gnwrizete to logo ths episkechs toy k. Miler sthn Aqhna; Nomizw pws brisketai hdh edw. Gnwrizete poioys Ypoyrgoys hrqe na dei kai me poioys qa synanthqei telika;

REPPAS: O k. Miler episkeptetai thn Aqhna. Qa exei synanthseis sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Parakalw na anazhthsete apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn to sxetiko programma. Proerxetai apo thn Toyrkia o k. Miler. Gnwrizete oti exei analabei sxetika kaqhkonta, sto plaisio ths prwtoboylias Xolmproyk gia to Kypriako. Ayto, nomizw, orizei kai to plaisio twn syzhthsewn poy qa exei, edw sthn Aqhna, shmera.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge mia dieykrinish: Grafetai se polles efhmerides oti sto perasmeno Ypoyrgiko Symboylio o k. Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia sygkekrimenh anafora se diafores ejyphrethseis sto xwro twn Enoplwn Dynamewn, apontos toy YPEQA k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Kai grafthke, epishs, oti yparxei kai mia enoxlhsh apo ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. Qa sas parakalesw na mas peite, an ekane tetoia anafora o Prwqypoyrgos kai ti akribws eipe.

REPPAS: Ayta ta eipa me leptomereies thn Paraskeyh, meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Epanerxomai sta osa eipa tote. Pragmati, o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se pelateiakoy xarakthra fainomena kai symperifores kai ekane mia paradeigmatikh anafora. Kyriws, exoyn sxesh me apospaseis h metaqeseis ypallhlwn, idiaiterws gia qeseis sto ejwteriko. Opws, epishs, exoyn sxesh me tis metaqeseis twn stratiwtwn. Prepei na pw oti h syzhthsh sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ginetai bebaiws kekleismenwn twn qyrwn kai einai aporrhth. Alla gnwrizete ki eseis -opws kai egw gnwrizw poly kala- oti gia para polla ta opoia syzhtoyme sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, otan erxeste edw, gia na dexqeite apo emena thn politikh enhmerwsh, eiste hdh enhmerwmenoi kai katatopismenoi me apotelesma, qa moy epitrecete na pw, egw na parabiazw oysiastika "anoixtes portes". Kai bebaiws sthn enhmerwsh prepei na yparxoyn "anoixtes portes", alla qa prepei na yparxei kai kalopistia kai kalh diaqesh, wste h politikh enhmerwsh na epidiwkei thn pragmatikh enhmerwsh kai oxi th dhmioyrgia entypwsewn. Ara, loipon, ayto pragmatika elexqh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, ws ena paradeigma, metajy twn allwn politikwn epishmansewn poy ekane. S' aytes anaferqhkame. Htan kati, allwste poy to jerate prin to pw egw.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ayth thn enhmerwsh poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos gia na pei ayta poy eipe, thn eixe apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas;

REPPAS: Den qa kanoyme ypoqeseis ti einai ayto to opoio odhghse ton Prwqypoyrgo na pei ayta ta opoia eipe. Gnwrizete oti, liges hmeres prin, o Prwqypoyrgos kai o Ypoyrgos Amynas eixan stenotath synergasia, megalhs diarkeias, opoy syzhthsan diafora qemata. Qemata poy aforoyn to Kinhma mas, qemata poy aforoyn to kybernhtiko ergo. Den einai dynaton, ayth thn wra, na pame peran toy pragmatikoy gegonotos. To pragmatiko gegonos einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos ekane ayth th sygkekrimenh anafora. Tipota allo.

LAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh to qema einai sobaro, ean men o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas htan ekeinos poy edwse aytes tis plhrofories wste na kanei ayth thn epishmansh o Prwqypoyrgos -gia tis Enoples Dynameis milaw ayth th stigmh- tote den katanow th fhmologoymenh antidrash toy. Ean den thn edwse, opote dikaiws diamartyretai, aporw poios enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Kyrie Lakopoyle, prwton, den qa prepei na qetete se mena erwthsh, h opoia periexei mia ypoqesh kai deyteron, na anaferetai se fhmologoymenes antidraseis. Egw, sxoliazw sygkekrimenes antidraseis kai omilw epi pragmatikwn gegonotwn.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kati akomh: To Sabbato, o Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karamanlhs, milwntas sth Qessalia, epekrine kai thn politikh sas ston agrotiko tomea, epekrine kai ton Ypoyrgo Gewrgiaso opoios apanthse. qa hqela omws ena sxolio sas gia ta osa eipe o k. Karamanlhs.

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs, gia mia akomh fora, apodeiknyei oti prokeimenoy na askhsei antipoliteysh pros thn Kybernhsh, poly ligo endiaferetai na paroysiasei tis qeseis toy kommatos toy, prokeimenoy na symbalei etsi sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn megalwn tmhmatwn toy plhqysmoy. Oi agrotes antimetwpizoyn problhmata. H ellhnikh gewrgia brisketai se krish diarqrwtikoy xarakthra. Ayto to exoyme anagnwrisei. Exoyme sygkekrimenes kai oloklhrwmenes protaseis. Polles apo tis protaseis aytes epanalambanei, anamaswntas tes, o k. Karamanlhs. Polles fores einai yperbolikos, en gnwsh toy oti ayta ta opoia proteinei den einai dynaton na efarmostoyn. Anaferomai, gia paradeigma, sth meiwsh toy FPA thn opoia zhta gia ta gewrgika mhxanhmata apo pososto 18% se pososto 8%. Gia na wfelhqoyn poioi; Oi eisagwgeis mhxanhmatwn, oi opoioi pragmatika, exoyn kaqe logo na epidiwkoyn kai na zhtoyn mia tetoia metabolh. Anaferetai sthn peraiterw meiwsh ths timhs toy hlektrikoy reymatos gia tis agrotikes ekmetalleyseis me ayjhsh ths ekptwshs, apo to 38% poy einai shmera, sto 50%. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti h hlektrikh energeia dioxeteyetai kai alloy, peran twn agrotikwn ekmetalleysewn. Poly perissotero, sas einai gnwsto oti den einai makria o xronos, h stigmh ekeinh opoy h apeleyqerwsh ths agoras energeias, qa kanei dyskolh h kai adynath ayth thn epidothsh, sto ychlo pososto poy brisketai shmera, sto 38%.

Pws einai dynaton, enas eyrwpaikoy xarakthra politikos, opws qelei na emfanizetai o k. Karamanlhs, na proteinei tetoioy eidoys ryqmiseis;

Prepei na pw, oti gia mia akomh fora, o k. Karamanlhs apodeiknyetai politikos twn logwn, epeidh akribws den exei allh dynatothta -zwtiko xwro, qa elega- na anaptyjei me ypeyqyno tropo thn politikh paroysia toy, prosferontas apo th qesh thn opoia exei, sthn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh kai olos o ellhnikos laos, na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata ths xwras. Alla me toys logoys den antimetwpizeis ta problhmata. Antimetwpizeis, isws, tis eswkommatikes soy anagkes, oi opoies omws monon efhmera, mporoyn etsi na antimetwpistoyn, giati epanerxontai ws megalytera problhmata kai ejelissontai se ena faylo kyklo. O k. Karamanlhs brisketai se enan faylo kommatiko kyklo.

MIXAHL: Apofygate na apanthsete stis erwthseis toy k. Lakopoyloy, oson afora thn enoxlhsh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Ma, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos ekane rhth dhlwsh kai ejefrase th safestath enoxlhsh toy, apo to gegonos oti egine tetoia anafora, th stigmh poy o idios, den eixe erwthqei an pragmatika thn ejefrase. Kai deyteron, profanws, qewrei oti den yparxei tetoio qema stis Enoples Dynameis. Poio einai to epishmo sxolio ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: To epishmo sxolio ths Kybernhshs einai oti ayta ta opoia eipe o Prwqypoyrgos apoteloyn politikes epishmanseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai prepei etsi na lhfqoyn ypoch. Apo ekei kai pera, einai mia ermhneia thn opoia exoyn dwsei ta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs se sxesh me thn enoxlhsh, h opoia dhqen exei dhmioyrghqei ston k. Tsoxatzopoylo. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, bebaiws, ekane th dhlwsh toy. Ayto den shmainei, omws, oti mia tetoia dhlwsh synista kai enoxlhsh toy. Kaqe allo. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos askei ta kaqhkonta toy, me tropo tetoio, wste na mhn epitrepetai se opoiondhpote na askhsei dysmenh kritikh gia ton tropo me ton opoio ws Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas askei ta kaqhkonta toy. Xwris ayto na shmainei oti o Prwqypoyrgos gia diafora qemata, ta opoia yparxoyn se perioxes toy Dhmosioy tomea, den qa kanei tis dikes toy politikes epishmanseis, oi opoies exoyn bash.

MOSXOBAS: Sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, sto opoio anaferomaste, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane epishmanseis gia anagkh epitaxynshs toy kybernhtikoy ergoy. Qelw na rwthsw poies energeies protiqetai na kanei h Kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na kalyfqei to xaos poy yparxei shmera ston eyaisqhto xwro ths ygeias. Anaferomai kai stis prosfates periptwseis qanatoy sta nosokomeia, opws grafei shmera h "EJOYSIA".

REPPAS: Ayta einai problhmata ta opoia antimetwpizei to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias me entolh poy exei doqei gia diejagwgh ereynas. Dystyxws, se polloys tomeis exoyme tetoioy eidoys peristatika, ta opoia mas lypoyn. Den einai eyxarista. Kaqe allo malista. Ayto to opoio prepei na pw - to gnwrizete allwste- einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei stenotath synergasia me toys Ypoyrgoys toy gia qemata armodiothtas toys. Kai m' ayth thn ennoia, kai ta sygkekrimena qemata toy xwroy ths Ygeias, qa apotelesoyn, thn erxomenh periodo, antikeimeno stenhs synergasias toy Prwqypoyrgoy me to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias.

MOSXOBAS: Gia sygkekrimenes energeies den mas eipate, omws...

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei sygkekrimenes energeies gia ena peristatiko ston tomea ths armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias;

MOSXOBAS: O Ypoyrgos Ygeias.

REPPAS: Asfalws. Oi synadelfoi sas syntaktes toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias exoyn labei apanthsh gi' ayto to qema.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prohgoymenws eipate oti ayto to 18% an ginei 8% to kerdizei o eisagwgeas. Ma, o agroths plhrwnei ayto to 18%. O eisagwgeas kanei thn eisagwgh toy kai meta to foro 18% ton plhrwnei o agroths.

REPPAS: Asfalws h timh twn gewrgikwn mhxanhmatwn, kapoioi proteinoyn, na meiwqei. Prepei na pw, omws, oti den einai ayto to problhma, ths elleichs twn mhxanhmatwn, poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh gewrgia. Kai prepei na eimaste eilikrineis, an qeloyme na antimetwpisoyme ta pragmatika problhmata kai na mh dhmioyrgoyme entypwseis.

Gnwrizete poly kala, oti h analogia gewrgikwn mhxanhmatwn se sxesh me thn kalliergoymenh ektash einai sth men Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ena mhxanhma gia 500 stremmata, sth de Ellada ena mhxanhma gia 80 stremmata. Den leipoyn, loipon, ta gewrgika mhxanhmata...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo sas rwthsa egw.

REPPAS: ...kai parakalw para poly, na ginei safes oti aytoi poy kerdizoyn kyriws apo mia tetoia metabolh einai oi eisagwgeis gewrgikwn mhxanhmatwn, den einai oi agrotes. Parempiptontws kai poly ligotero, mporei na wfelhqoyn kai oi agrotes. Den einai, loipon, aytes oi protaseis oi pleon endedeigmenes, otan kapoios epixeirei na dikaioologei to endiaferon toy gia th gewrgia kai telikws ejantlei to endiaferon toy ayto me tetoies protaseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To 18% poios to plhrwnei k. Ypoyrge; O agroths den to plhrwnei;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, ola ayta, epeidh yparxoyn koinotikes ryqmiseis oi opoies einai desmeytikes kai gia mas...

STAMATOPOYLOS: A, peste to.

REPPAS: ... apoteloyn ena kaqestws sto opoio prepei na anatrejoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Allo ayto.

REPPAS: Ma, milhsa prin gia to xarakthra enos Eyrwpaioy politikoy, o opoios kanei protaseis poy gnwrizei poly kala, oti me bash ta isxyonta sthn E.E. , ara kai sthn Ellada, den einai dynaton na efarmostoyn. Ayto martyra thn aneilikrineia kai thn ypokrisia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto einai. Yparxei desmeysh.

REPPAS: Ola exoyn th qesh toys k. Stamatopoyle.

MOYRTZHS: To erwthma moy einai poia krithria prytaneysan gia thn epilogh toy k. Strath Strathgh kai an htan proswpikh epilogh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Kai to deytero erwthma einai ean o idios o Proedros ths Dhmokratias diegnwse, mia kai gnwrizei peri ta syntagmatika, oti einai asymbibasth h qesh toy me allo ajiwma. Giati mas eixate pei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa proteinei na hghqei ws Proedros ths Epitrophs o Proedros ths Dhmokratias. Syntagmatologoi dikoi sas den eixan thn pronoia na poyn oti yparxei to asymbibasto;

REPPAS: Den einai akribws opws to qetete to qema. O Proedros ths Dhmokratias einai o prwtos poliths ths xwras. Afoy den einai dynaton na einai aytos Proedros ths Eqnikhs Epitrophs, h Eqnikh ayth Epitroph qa telei ypo thn aigida toy. Einai safes ayto. Den yparxei kanena qema kai parakalw na mh dhmioyrgeitai ayth th entypwsh, oti den yphrxe analogh proetoimasia. Kaqe allo. O k. Strathghs epelegh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qewreitai oti exei gnwseis kai eparkh ikanothta gia na antapokriqei sta kaqhkonta ta opoia toy anatiqentai. Otan anakoinwqoyn kai ta onomata twn ypoloipwn melwn twn Epitropwn poy qa systaqoyn, parakalw tote na kanete ta sxolia sas, afoy qa exete mia plhrh eikona ths "anqrwpogewgrafias" aytwn twn forewn poy qa analaboyn th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas toy 2004.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh mesolabhse Sabbatokyriako, qa hqela ean yparxei kapoio kentriko sxolio apo thn Kybernhsh gia thn apofash toy syntagmatikoy dikasthrioy ths Toyrkias.

REPPAS: H apofash ayth apodeiknyei oti sthn Toyrkia yparxei elleimma dhmokratias. Einai mia ejelijh poy epibebaiwnei kai toys isxyrismoys mas, oti sthn Toyrkia den leitoyrgoyn oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi, den ginontai sebastes oi politikes eleyqeries kai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. H ejelijh ayth einai arnhtikh gia thn Toyrkia, giati pisteyoyme oti mporei na symbalei sthn enisxysh ths politikhs astaqeias sto eswteriko ths geitonikhs xwras. Pragma to opoio pisteyoyme oti me th seira toy mporei na epenerghsei arnhtika kai stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Pisteyoyme, loipon, pws einai mia arnhtikh ejelijh ayth h opoia shmeiwqhke tis prohgoymenes hmeres sthn Toyrkia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Meta tayta poia mporei na einai h poreia ths Toyrkias sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

REPPAS: H Toyrkia, oson afora thn poreia ths pros thn E.E., qa kriqei me tis proypoqeseis kai toys oroys poy exei klhqei na ikanopoihsei sto plaisio twn apofasewn poy exoyn labei ta organa ths E.E. Ayto einai to barometro me to opoio oi eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis qa anaptyssontai.

KIAOS: Hsastan prohgoymenws sthn ekdhlwsh poy ekoce thn pita h POESY kai akoysate ton Proedro ths Boylhs k. Kaklamanh kai tis apoceis toy genika gia toys ekdotes, megaloekdotes, kyriws kanalarxes kai tis parembaseis toys kai poy zhthse oysiastika na lhfqei kapoia pronoia kai mesw ths anaqewrhsews toy Syntagmatos. Olo ayto pws to apantate;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, hmoyn parwn kai akoysa ton k. Kaklamanh, o opoios metajy allwn epeshmane thn anagkh aytonomias twn dhmosiografwn, genikotera oswn ergazontai sta Mesa Enhmerwshs, apenanti stis pieseis h tis kateyqynseis kai entoles poy dexontai apo toys ergodotes toys, prokeimenoy exontas ayth th dhmosiografikh aytonomia, na proballoyn ta gegonota stis swstes diastaseis toys kai me th swsth seira kai na mhn ypokyptoyn se pieseis twn ergodotwn toys, na paroysiazoyn mia eikona sthn koinh gnwmh poy isws den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta. Anaferqhke se ena sygkekrimeno qema poy apasxolhse gia arketo kairo -polla xronia qa elega- kai toys dhmosiografoys. Einai to perifhmo qema toy aggelioshmoy. S' ayto anaferotan, opws antilambaneste. To qema ayto to exoyme antimetwpisei. Xairomai, giati h paroysia moy sto Ypoyrgeio synebale, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi synennohseis kai na exoyme pleon mia ryqmish, kata thn opoia eisprattetai kai apodidetai apeyqeias stoys dikaioyxoys asfalistikoys organismoys o koinwnikos aytos poros, me apotelesma shmera ta asfalistika sas tameia na paroysiazoyn mia prwtofanh oikonomikh eyrwstia. Ayto einai poly eyxaristo. Apo kei kai pera, bebaiws, h prospaqeia poy kanoyme sto plaisio toy nomoy, ton opoio sxedon to synolo ths Boylhs chfise to 1995 gia th nomimothta, th diafaneia kai thn poiothta sto xwro twn Meswn Enhmerwshs, apoblepei sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn sto xwro twn Meswn Enhmerwshs. Epeidh, opws kat' epanalhch exw pei, h politikh einai mia leitoyrgia poy exei to diko ths xwro, h enhmerwsh einai mia leitoyrgia shmantikotath poy exei to diko ths xwro, oyte h Kybernhsh qa kateyqynei thn enhmerwsh, thn opoia parexoyn sthn koinh gnwmh ta MME, oyte ta MME prepei na epidiwkoyn na ypokatasthsoyn thn Kybernhsh, ta politika kommata stis leitoyrgies kai ston tropo me ton opoio lambanoyn tis apofaseis toys. Exoyme poly dromo na kanoyme akomh. Nomizw, omws, oti exoyme kanei shmantika bhmata, pragma to opoio dikaiologei kaqe aisiodojia, prokeimenoy kapoia stigmh na yparjei ayth h nomimothta, h diafaneia kai h poiothta se plhrh baqmo. Giati ta shmantika ayta bhmata deixnoyn oti kinoymaste s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Bebaiws, opws gnwrizete ki eseis, kata th syzhthsh gia thn allagh diatajewn toy Syntagmatos, metajy twn allwn, syzhteitai na problefqei h syntagmatikh katoxyrwsh toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs, to opoio me ton aytonomo rolo toy, ws qesmikos eggyhths ths antikeimenikothtas kai toy ployralismoy sta Mesa Enhmerwshs, qa mporesei etsi aperispasto, xwris opoiadhpote ejwqen parembash, na askhsei tis poly dyskoles, pragmatika, armodiothtes poy toy exoyme anaqesei.

KIAOS: Sas rwthsa eidikotera gia tis epishmanseis toy k. Kaklamanh, oson afora toys epixeirhmaties sto xwro toy Typoy, efhmerides ews thleoraseis, poy allazoyn epaggelmata, opws eipe, me xarakthrismoys diaforoys poy efere kai kalese thn Kybernhsh na antimetwpisei to qema ayto akribws: toys ekdotes - epixeirhmaties poy einai ejw apo to xwro toy Typoy kai mpainoyn-bgainoyn kai ekmetalleyontai to xwro toy Typoy, gia idia symferonta.

REPPAS: Einai ena fainomeno to opoio exei anaptyxqei edw kai arketa xronia kai sthn Ellada sto xwro toy Typoy na drasthriopoioyntai kai epixeirhmaties, oi opoioi mexri protinos den eixan opoiadhpote sxesh, eite amesh, eite emmesh me to xwro ths enhmerwshs. Gnwrizete poly kala, omws, oti h epixeirhmatikh drasthriothta, opws kai alles leitoyrgies sthn Ellada, einai eleyqerh kai den mporei na yparjei opoiadhpote empodio. Ayto to opoio prepei na lambanetai ypoch einai to qesmiko plaisio, to opoio orizei ta asymbibasta h thn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn sygkentrwshs dynamews sta xeria twn ligwn, prokeimenoy di' aytoy toy tropoy na ejasfalisoyme thn aytonomia sth leitoyrgia twn MME. Ta MME den prepei na epidiwkoyn mia eykolh kerdoforia. To exoyme pei kat' epanalhch. Ayto einai aytonohto. Alla, symfwna kai me th syntagmatikh epitagh, qa prepei na parexoyn antikeimenikh enhmerwsh kai poiotikh cyxagwgia kai epimorfwsh ston ellhniko lao. Oi ryqmiseis stis opoies proxwroyme, ekei katateinoyn. Opoioi den symmorfwnontai -kai milw gia ekeinoys, oi opoioi drasthriopoioyntai epixeirhmatika sto xwro twn Meswn Enhmerwshs- asfalws qa antimetwpisoyn ta organa ths Politeias h to idio to Symboylio Radiothleorashs, poy me tis apofaseis toys qa frajoyn to dromo se tetoies anomes epidiwjeis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Symfwneite me tis epishmanseis toy k. Kaklamanh;

REPPAS: Einai epishmanseis tis opoies exoyme kanei kat' epanalhch. As mh meinoyme s' ayto. Shmasia exei -asfalws symmerizomai aytes tis enstaseis- na proxwrhsoyme, me to ergo mas, sthn oloklhrwsh aytoy toy plaisioy kai na efarmosoyme to plaisio ayto. Eimaste s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Exoyme shmantika epiteygmata. Qa oloklhrwsoyme thn prospaqeia mas ayth me epityxia.

MOSXOBAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw an o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synanthsh me ton Ypoyrgo Ygeias, opoy qa syzhthsoyn ayta poy symbainoyn sto xwro ths Ygeias.

REPPAS: Qa exei synergasia o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Ypoyrgo Ygeias, opws me oloys toys Ypoyrgoys. Sto plaisio aytwn twn synergasiwn syzhtoyntai ayta ta qemata.

MOSXOBAS: Gnwrizete pote qa ginei ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Den exei programmatistei kapoia tetoia synanthsh. Yparxoyn thlefwnikes epikoinwnies me oloys toys Ypoyrgoys kai me toys epikefalhs toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio ths Kybernhshs gia thn tash poy fainetai oti yparxei, symfwna me dhmoskophsh, sthn opoia ekfrazoyn thn apoch oi erwthqentes, oti prepei na dhmioyrghqei mia nea hgetikh omada, opoy o k. Tsoxatzopoylos qa einai sthn prwth qesh.

REPPAS: Exw milhsei kat' epanalhch gia ta apotelesmata dhmoskophsewn, oi opoies ginontan, ginontai kai qa ginontai. Den einai dynaton, opws antilambaneste, na to sxoliasoyme. Ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai to ergo mas na epityxoyme, na ananewsoyme thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy pros thn Kybernhsh, pragma to opoio qewrw peripoy bebaio, an synexisoyme, me akomh pio entono ryqmo, thn prospaqeia thn opoia exoyme hdh kanei.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an bohqoyn thn ypochfiothta ths kas Damanakh, poy mallon qa anakoinwqei shmera, oi synenteyjeis, opws toy G. Papandreoy, poy en dynamei qa eqete ton eayto toy, ws ypochfio Dhmarxo Aqhnwn.

REPPAS: O k. Papandreoy eipe oti apo idiosygkrasia politikh, pantote einai enas strateymenos politikos. Panta qetei ton eayto toy sth diaqesh twn organwn toy Kinhmatos. Kai m' ayth thn ennoia, eipe o k. Papandreoy -kai den prepei na mas diafeygei- oti qa systrateyqei kai o idios sthn prospaqeia gia thn epityxia ths ypochfiothtas ths kas Damanakh. Ayto eipe. Eipe, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh, oti qetei ton eayto toy -ean teqei tetoio qema- sth diaqesh toy Kinhmatos h ths hgesias, efoson lhfqei tetoia apofash. Ayto, omws, isxyei gia ton opoiodhpote. Einai aytonohto. Se sxetikh erwthsh, apanthse. Exoyme pei kat' epanalhch poioi einai oi oroi toy paixnidioy. Na eimaste timioi. Egw gnwrizw oti aytoi oi oroi eynooyn mallon esas.

MOSXOBAS: Ayto eseis to jerete.

REPPAS: Ma, bebaia, to jerw. Otan emena moy qetoyn erwthsh -giati ayto exei symbei- ti gnwmh exw gia thn ka Damanakh mono kai apantw gia thn ka Damanakh, o titlos o opoios bgainei einai oti "o Reppas eipe gia thn ka Damanakh ayto". An eixa erwthqei kai gia alloys, qa sas elega kai gia alloys. Alla eseis texniantws rwtate gi' ayton gia ton opoio qelete na dhmioyrghsete qema. Ayto einai dekto. Alla, epeidh ki eseis ki egw gnwrizoyme poioi einai oi kanones toy paixnidioy, parakalw na toys throyme amoibaiws.

LAKOPOYLOS: Sth synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, shmera, se ligo, qa ginei syzhthsh prokeimenoy na lhfqei apofash h qa anakoinwsei o Prwqypoyrgos thn ypochfiothta ths kas Damanakh;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti gia ta qemata ayta exoyn syzhthsei ta kommatika organa kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio. Exoyn ginei syzhthseis. Einai piqanotato shmera, meta thn oloklhrwsh synedriashs toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, na anakoinwqoyn ta onomata twn triwn ypochfiwn gia toys megaloys Dhmoys ths xwras. Einai piqanotato. Alla epeidh ayto afora mia kommatikh diadikasia, qa moy epitrecete na mhn proxwrhsw se syzhthseis gia tetoia qemata.

ELENOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean exei programmatistei synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Arxiepiskopo Aqhnwn.

REPPAS: Den exei anakoinwqei tetoia synanthsh.

Sas eyxaristw.


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