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Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-11-06

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2000

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

O Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke shmera to Gallo Presbh k. Riper, o opoios prosfatws topoqethqhke sthn patrida mas. Ayth thn wra synantatai me omada boyleytwn toy PASOK, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn poy exei kaqierwsei thn teleytaia periodo me ta melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.

Ayrio stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos, me qema syzhthshs thn en ejelijei eyriskomenh anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Gia to qema ayto eixe ginei pali synedriash, otan eprokeito na arxisei h syzhthsh sthn armodia epitroph. Gnwrizete oti epikeitai syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, ara einai epikairh ayth h synedriash. Qa akoloyqhsei synedriash toy KYSEA, me antikeimeno to mnhmonio synergasias Elladas-Kyproy. Argotera, to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa pareyreqei sthn ekdhlwsh poy organwnetai sth Boylh, pros timhn twn Ellhnwn poy elaban meros stoys Paraolympiakoys Agwnes ths Aystralias.

Thn Tetarth kai thn Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai thn Italia, th Rwmh. Einai episkech ergasias. Exoyn kaqierwqei aytes oi taktikes epafes, peripoy ana ejamhno, metajy twn hgetwn twn dyo xwrwn.

Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia th Qessalonikh opoy qa labei meros kai qa milhsei sthn Panellhnia Syndiaskech toy PASOK gia thn politikh sto xwro ths Ygeias kai Pronoias.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to rolo poy epaijan ta MME kai eidikotera ta hlektronika diktya kai h thleorash toy Alpha sthn ypoqesh ths apagwghs toy lewforeioy me toys Iapwnes toyristes kai thn paradosh, telika, toy drasth;

REPPAS: Prepei na epishmanw oti ta hlektronika MME eixan mia poly qetikh stash se ayto to qlibero peristatiko. O rolos toys htan ypeyqynos. Den prokalesan to paramikro problhma stis armodies yphresies, enw briskotan se ejelijh mia orismenh epixeirhsh apo thn Astynomia. Qa elega, malista, oti ypobohqhsan, kata kapoio tropo, to ergo twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Ayto einai poly shmantiko. To epishmainw ws mia poly qetikh ejelijh. Prepei na pw oti kai o sygkekrimenos dhmosiografos, o k. Triantafyllopoylos, dieqese to kefalaio empistosynhs toy drasth pros to proswpo toy sthn yphresia twn armodiwn arxwn, prokeimenoy etsi na diathrhqei mia synexhs epafh me to drasth ayths ths lewforeiopeirateias kai na mporesoyn etsi na oloklhrwsoyn tis prospaqeies toys oi andres ths EL.AS. kai kyriws oi eidikoi episthmones poy eixan analabei na feroyn se peras ena poly shmantiko ergo.

KOYIN: Shmera o k. Xrysoxoidhs, milwntas se ena radiofwniko staqmo, ejefrase th dysareskeia toy gia to rolo twn MME, legontas oti symballoyn sthn probolh arnhtikwn protypwn kai tonise thn anagkh na arxisei dialogos me ta MME, alla kai me thn ESHEA. Yparxei mia tetoia skech;

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. O k. Xrysoxoidhs, apo thn prwth stigmh, epainese to rolo twn MME. Oson afora to genikotero qema, poy exei qesei o k. Xrysoxoidhs kai qetete ki eseis me thn erwthsh sas, mas apasxolei oloys. Den to syzhtoyme gia prwth fora. Ta MME einai mesa epikoinwnias kai enhmerwshs. O zwtikos xwros ston opoio kinoyntai einai akribws aytos: na plhroforoyn toys polites gia osa diadramatizontai sth xwra h ton kosmo. Ta MME den mporoyn na diekdikoyn zwtiko xwro apo th dikaiosynh, giati ena meso enhmerwshs den einai dikasths. Oyte apo thn Astynomia, giati den einai astynomos ena meso enhmerwshs. Ena meso enhmerwshs den einai ena idryma paroxhs koinwnikhs bohqeias se diaforoys polites poy exoyn tis dikes toys anagkes. Ayto einai ena terastio qema poy mporei na antimetwpistei apolytws, me thn eyqynh @kata prwto logo- twn idiwn twn leitoyrgwn twn MME. H politeia exei dhmioyrghsei ena qesmiko plaisio deontologias poy prepei na threitai. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh @kai einai safes ayto poy h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh eipe kai to epanalambanw- ta MME leitoyrghsan me ypeyqyno tropo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy poy ``bgazei'' oti h kybernhsh den phgainei kala kai den einai eyxaristhmenos o kosmos.

REPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sto plaisio ayths ths synenteyjhs, eipe tis apoceis toy, opws exoyn kanei kai polloi alloi, opws exei kanei kai o idios polles fores mexri twra. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai na petyxoyme ton koino stoxo, na antapokriqoyme sthn entolh poy mas edwse o ellhnikos laos, efarmozontas to programma, thn politikh poy exoyme apofasisei sto plaisio kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn. Se teleytaia analysh, qa kriqoyme apo ta apotelesmata ayths ths prospaqeias. Afoy einai koinos o stoxos, h prospaqeia einai syllogikh. Exoyme dedomeno to plaisio mesa sto opoio kinoymaste. Pisteyw oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, opws ola ta melh ths kybernhshs @einai aytonohto, alla to epanalambanw- einai entagmenoi kai prwtostatoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia. Allwste, to parelqon ayths ths kybernhshs kai ayths ths paratajhs apotelei thn kalyterh eggyhsh gia to mellon.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, omws, me ayta poy leei, pisteyei oti me ton k. Shmith den prokeitai na epiteyxqei o stoxos.

REPPAS: Den leei ayto o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Alla, ayth thn wra, den qa mpoyme se ena dialogo peri toy ti leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos milhse, edwse apanthseis se sygkekrimena erwthmata kai gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxei periqwrio gia opoion trito na ermhneysei ayta poy leei, giati milhse o idios me tropo prwtogenh kai ayqentiko. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, exoyme tis apoceis toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai melos ths kybernhshs@

REPPAS: Eprepe na to gnwrizete ki eseis, prin qesete thn erwthsh sas. Ayto to eipa egw kai milhsa gia ta organa -kybernhtika kai kommatika- poy exoyn labei apofaseis poy oloi mazi efarmozoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Alla bgazei kai ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn politikh toy axrhsth.

REPPAS: Exei staqei dipla ston Prwqypoyrgo o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. O Prwqypoyrgos exei tyxei ths epidokimasias toy ellhnikoy laoy se dyo synexeis eklogikes anametrhseis. Ayto, nomizw, oti leei ola.

MOYRTZHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema, epeidh milhsate gia genikes arxes, ki egw milaw gia genikes arxes, telika qa teqei fragmos se ayta ta reality show, se ayta ta loympen stoixeia, toys anajiopaqoyntes poy dhmioyrgoyn toys dikoys toys hrwes h kai oi idioi einai antihrwes;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta hlektronika MME, antiqeta me ta entypa mesa enhmerwshs, ypokeintai se ena aysthrotero elegxo, oson afora to periexomeno toy programmatos toy, giati askoyn mia, kata paraxwrhsh, dhmosia yphresia. Xrhsimopoioyn syxnothtes poy einai eqnikh kai koinwnikh perioysia. H eleyqeria ths ekfrashs den einai dynato na perioristei. Oydeis mporei na dianohqei kan oti qa epiblhqoyn logokritikoy xarakthra periorismoi sth leitoyrgia twn MME. Apo thn allh @epanalambanw- qa prepei ta MME na antapokrinontai stis pragmatikes anagkes twn politwn: na toys enhmerwnoyn, na toys epimorfwnoyn, na toys cyxagwgoyn. Yparxei ena plaisio deontologias poy prepei na throyn. To ESR einai to organo poy ek meroys ths politeias exei epifortistei me ayto to rolo toy elegxoy kai ths epibolhs kyrwsewn ekei opoy qewrei oti ayto einai epibeblhmeno. Me ayth thn ennoia, thn eyqynh thn exoyn oi idioi oi leitoyrgoi twn MME. Thn eyqynh thn exei h politeia me toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys poy diaqetei, wste na elegxei an throyntai aytoi oi kanones deontologias. Kai bebaiws kai oi idioi oi polites einai aytoi poy sto plaisio mias dhmokratikhs, ployralistikhs koinwnias epilegoyn ta MME ths protimhshs toys.

KARGOYDH: Eystaqoyn oi plhrofories poy hrqan sto fws ths dhmosiothtas, oti o Prwqypoyrgos dysaresthqhke apo th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy;

REPPAS: Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. O Prwqypoyrgos oyte dysaresteitai, oyte eyxaristeitai otan ta stelexh lene tis apoceis toys. O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei oti exei synergates, idiws toys ypoyrgoys kai ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, sth megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyn h kybernhsh kai to PASOK gia na antapokriqoyn sto poly shmantiko rolo poy mas aneqese o ellhnikos laos na kybernoyme kai pali th xwra mas.

BIDALH: O k. Flwridhs, shmera, milwntas sto "Skai" ekane logo gia mafia sto podosfairo kai idiaitera sto xwro ths diaithsias. Xqes, eixame kai ena peristatiko. Protiqetai na kanei kati h kybernhsh sto xwro ayto;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o aqlhtismos kai idiaiterws to podosfairo, poy xarakthrizetai kai einai laiko aqlhma, sygkinei megalo tmhma toy plhqysmoy. Asfalws, h diejagwgh twn prwtaqlhmatwn prepei na xarakthrizetai apo diafaneia. Pantote yparxei periqwrio na analambanontai prwtoboylies poy beltiwnoyn to hdh yfistameno plaisio. Pisteyw oti se ayth thn kateyqynsh, opws to exei dhlwsei kat` epanalhch, kineitai kai o armodios ypoyrgos. To plaisio poy exei qespistei sth xwra mas einai ayto, basei toy opoioy diejagontai ta prwtaqlhmata. Otan parathroyntai tetoia ekfylistika fainomena, prepei na patassontai amesws. O armodios ypoyrgos, epanalambanw, exei dhlwsei -kai ayto kanei- etoimos na analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei opoia tetoia fainomena diatrexoyn ton aqlhtiko xwro.

GEROPOYLOS: Sth synenteyjh toy o k. Tsoxatzopoylos anaferei oti oi pleyres ths kybernhtikhs politikhs poy askhqhkan, ta prohgoymena xronia, einai neofileleyqeres. Kai epishs, anaferei oti h stash toy gia ayth thn tetraetia den einai dedomenh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayta poy eipe.

REPPAS: Sxoliasame ta sxetika me th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Qa moy epitrecete na mhn mpoyme se enan tetoio atypo, alla telikws oysiastiko kai epishmo dialogo, di` aytoy toy tropoy. To mono poy exw na pw kai kleinw etsi oles tis anafores, einai toyto: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai apo toys politikoys paragontes toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs poy prwtostathsan, prokeimenoy na exoyme ayta ta epiteygmata sthn politikh mas. Pws qa htan dynato, allwste -gia na anaferqw se ena qema ths dikhs toy armodiothta- na proxwrhsoyme se shmantikes apofaseis gia toso megala ejoplistika programmata, ean prin den eixame ejasfalisei toys oikonomikoys oroys. Th dynatothta, dhladh, ths ellhnikhs oikonomias na antapokriqei kai na shkwsei to baros aytwn twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos paramenei ena stelexos toy E.G., ena melos ths kybernhshs se enan poly shmantiko tomea, opws einai h Eqnikh Amyna ths xwras. Nomizw oti h symbolh toy kai sto mellon -einai aytonohto ayto, einai dedomeno, den to nomizw aplws- qa einai kaqoristikh, shmantikh gia na petyxoyme toys epomenoys stoxoys.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera to prwi, o k. Giannopoylos milwntas sto Alter Channel, sthn ekpomph toy k. Lamcia, eipe oti o k. Giannitshs einai maqhteyomenos ypoyrgos. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: O k. Giannitshs einai ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn ths kybernhshs kai kanei mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme, me thn politikh poy eishgeitai, polla problhmata, metajy twn opoiwn, thn anergia, poy apotelei mastiga gia polles xwres kai gia th dikh mas.

KWSTANTHS: Symmerizeste tis apoceis poy ejefrase poy ejefrase o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sxetika me to endexomeno na kanei komma o k. Abramopoylos kai na eisprajei, ektos apo th N.D., kapoies dynameis kai apo to PASOK; Kai to rwtw ayto, giati mexri twra, polla stelexh toy PASOK lene oti einai mia dienejh poy afora mono th N.D. Kai kati synafes: Yphretoyn ton koino stoxo poy anaferate, dhlwseis opws aytes toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy poy askoyn eyqews kritikh se pleistes drasthriothtes ths kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Den askei kaneis kritikh ston eayto toy h toylaxiston den askei kritikh me enan tetoio tropo, wste na akyrwnei kai na anatrepei th dikh toy paroysia kai symbolh se mia petyxhmenh politikh diadromh, me sygkekrimena epiteygmata, poy kai o idios o ellhnikos laos ta anagnwrise kai ta epikyrwse me thn chfo toy. Oson afora tis erwthseis, poy sto plaisio twn synenteyjewn diatypwnontai apo esas kai apo toys synadelfoys sas kai dhmioyrgoyn aytomatws mia ypoxrewsh ston erwtwmeno na apanthsei, nomizw oti den prepei na epektaqoyme perissotero. To qema ths idryshs h mh kommatos apo ton k. Abramopoylo, einai qema poy exei syzhthqei poly. Nomizw oti den einai swsto, den einai deontologiko, na syzhtoyme toso poly gia kati to opoio den yparxei. Den einai swsto gia toys dhmosiografoys, ektos an exoyn kaqe logo na synthroyn ena qema sthn epikairothta, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrgeitai mia analogh epikoinwniakh pragmatikothta, alla yparxei mia diafora.

MOYRTZHS: O k. Pagkalos parathrhse oti stoxos toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs twra, einai h ejygiansh ths oikonomias. H ejygiansh ths oikonomias den ginetai me sosialistikoys oroys, alla me fileleyqeroys, neofileleyqeroys oroys. Isxyei ayto;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala poies apofaseis exei labei h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na enisxysei akomh perissotero thn anaptyjiakh troxia ths xwras mas. Otan exoyme epityxei ryqmoys anaptyjhs 4,1%, gia to xrono ayto, panw apo 3,9% poy eixame ypologisei kai otan stoxeyoyme -kai fainetai oti einai efikto- thn epomenh xronia na exoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs sto epipedo toy 5% toy AEP, antilambaneste pws exoyme balei tis baseis mias poly isxyrhs koinwnias. Giati isxyrh oikonomia exoyme. Ayto apodeiknyetai, allwste, me ton tropo me ton opoio antedrase h ellhnikh oikonomia stis kriseis poy ekdhlwqhkan palaiotera h kai prosfata, me aformh thn anodo ths timhs toy petrelaioy h thn anodo ths timhs toy dolarioy. Exoyme parei apofaseis, oi opoies einai sthn orqh kateyqynsh kai h politikh poy efarmozoyme einai se armonia me tis apofaseis aytes. Exoyme empistosynh sto programma mas kai tis dynameis mas. Kai pisteyw oti o ellhnikos laos, otan erqei h wra, opws mexri twra, qa mas empisteyqei kai pali kai qa mas timhsei me thn chfo toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den apanthsate sto sygkekrimeno erwthma, eipate oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos bohqhse na eklegei to PASOK. Alla ayth th fora, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sth synenteyjh toy, den qewrei oti qa einai oloklhrh thn tetraetia sto PASOK. Ayto pws to sxoliazete;

REPPAS: Einai poly ayqaireto to diko sas symperasma kai den exw kanena logo na sxoliazw ayqairesies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den sas symferei.

REPPAS: An dexqw th dikh sas logikh, xrhsimopoiw ayto to krithrio toy symferontos. Mono eseis den to xrhsimopoieite gia diko sas logariasmo.

ALEJAKH: Eipate gia ton k. Giannitsh, prohgoymenws, oti prosferei ws ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs ergo. Sth syndiaskech toy PASOK, omws, gia ta ergasiaka, tis dyo hmeres, dexqhke pyr omadon gia ta metra toy. Ti qa ginei, qa perasoyn ta metra Giannitsh; Qa kanete kapoies allages; Kai stelexh ths kybernhshs ypogrammisan oti prepei na ginoyn allages.

REPPAS: Kat` arxas, den yparxoyn metra Giannitsh. Yparxei mia kybernhtikh politikh. To plaisio ths politikhs ayths to exoyme syzhthsei, to exoyme apofasisei. Pisteyw oti den prepei na epitrecoyme, ayth h xwra na meinei se ena telma. Ta problhmata einai para polla, einai krisima gia thn poreia ths xwras kai gia th zwh twn politwn. An qeloyme, apo th nea kiolas xronia, na exoyme, fer` eipein, meiwsh twn wrwn ths megisths apasxolhshs, qa prepei na analaboyme antistoixes nomoqetikes prwtoboylies.

O k. Giannitshs einai sth diaqesh twn forewn. Exei akoysei tis apoceis toys. Qa ajiopoihsei opoies apoceis exoyn diatypwqei sto plaisio toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Akomh kai twra, mexri thn kataqesh toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy, einai etoimos na yioqethsei kai na enswmatwsei protaseis oi opoies, kata th dikh mas antilhch, odhgoyn sthn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy. Pisteyw oti oloi exoyme eyqynh na ekfrasoyme mia apoch h opoia odhgei se ayth th lysh, giati h diatypwsh twn apocewn, opws gnwrizete, ginetai me enan tropo aneto. Oi apoceis, o qewrhtikos logos einai eyryxwros, xwraei toys pantes, ekfrazei toys pantes, einai eyxaristos, mporei na mh dysarestei kanenan. H ypografh, omws, mias apofashs periexei mia idiaiterh eyqynh, giati pantote krinetai apo to apotelesma, enw o logos den paragei pantote apotelesma. Ara, krinetai thn idia wra poy akoygetai. H prajh einai ayth poy polles fores dysarestei. Alla qa perimenoyme to apotelesma ths kaqe prwtoboylias gia na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma. Mexri twra h kybernhsh exei deijei oti exei programma, basei toy opoioy kyberna th xwra pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Ayto o ellhnikos laos to anagnwrise.

ALEJAKH: Mhpws problhmatisthke o Prwqypoyrgos apo th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy; Mhpws qewrhse oti se kapoia shmeia mporei na eixe dikio o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas gia tis epishmanseis toy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh, prin apo ligo.

ALEJAKH: An ton dysaresthse, htan h erwthsh. Egw sas rwtw, an o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase kapoion problhmatismo ws pros ayta poy leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos.

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayth thn erwthsh. Giati an me kaleite na apanthsw akomh kai gia th skech kai toys problhmatismoys toy Prwqypoyrgoy, antilambaneste pws jepernoyme kaqe orio gia th diafaneia se ayto ton topo! Kai an qelete parabiazoyme kai to nomo gia ta proswpika dedomena!

Sas eyxaristw.


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