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Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-02-25

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 25 Febroyarioy 2002

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na sas enhmerwsw gia to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy tis epomenes hmeres:

Ayth thn wra o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me boyleytes toy PASOK apo thn perifereia ths Stereas Elladas.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Stis 13.30 o k. Shmiths qa synanthqei me to Dioikhth ths Eqnikhs Trapezas Q. Karatza kai sth synexeia qa exei synergasia me thn ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy.

Thn Tetarth, stis 10 to prwi, Qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn N. Xristodoylakh kai me ton ypoyrgo anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn T. Giannitsh. Metajy twn allwn, antikeimeno ths syskechs qa einai kai h proetoimasia ths Synodoy Koryfhs sth Barkelwnh. Stis 11 qa synanthqei me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn K. Skandalidh. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synedriasei to E.G. toy PASOK, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me antikeimeno syzhthshs ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Stis 9 to brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei gia thn poreia ths ellhnikhs oikonomias se ekdhlwsh poy diorganwnei to Ellhnoamerikaniko Epimelhthrio.

Thn Pempth to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa milhsei se ekdhlwsh gia thn isothta eykairiwn me aixmh thn isothta twn fyllwn sto plaisio toy G@ KPS. Stis 14.00, qa ginei eidikh syskech gia thn episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Iapwnia, poy qa pragmatopoihqei apo tis 2 ews tis 8 Martioy. Kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy sthn Iapwnia qa synanthqei me to aytokratoriko zeygos, me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Iapwnias kai qa exei syzhthseis koinoy endiaferontos. Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti sthn apostolh, ektos apo toys dhmosiografoys poy qa kalycoyn thn episkech, qa synodeysoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo kai arketoi epixeirhmaties, sto plaisio ths peraiterw synergasias gia thn tonwsh twn ellhno-iapwnikwn oikonomikwn sxesewn.

Thn Paraskeyh to prwi, sthn "Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy", qa apanthsei se erwthsh sth Boylh. Stis 11 qa synedriasei to KYSEA, me antikeimeno syzhthshs ta ejoplistika programmata kai thn epilogh toy Arxhgoy toy Limenikoy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn Kypro yphrje megalos salos apo mia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Pella. Eginan, malista, kai kaystikes dhlwseis apo toys arxhgoys olwn twn politikwn kommatwn kai anagkasthke o eyrwboyleyths toy PASOK k. Kathforhs poy brisketai sthn Kypro na kanei kai aytos dhlwseis. Eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Pella oti h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. mh nomizoyme oti qa paei apolytws omala -kai ews edw kala- giati pera apo tis xwres ths E.E. paizei kai h Toyrkia me th stash ths kapoio rolo. Ayto einai prwth fora poy akoygetai apo to stoma toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy kai sas diabebaiw oti o k. Kathforhs eipe oti o Prwqypoyrgos den mporei na ennooyse ayto poy grafetai. Epomenws, to ennoyse h den to ennooyse;

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe mia syzhthsh me th Nomarxiakh Epitroph toy PASOK. Kata th diarkeia ths syzhthshs -poy htan mia eleyqerh syzhthsh- egine enhmerwsh gyrw apo ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; Epanelabe, kat` arxas, ayta poy eixe pei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph gia thn poreia lyshs toy Kypriakoy. Anefere ton ews twra apologismo toy a@ gyroy twn syzhthsewn, tis epafes poy eixe me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias Glayko Klhridh, thn ektimhsh poy yphrje oti h proodos den htan oysiastikh. Ayto bebaiws ofeiletai sth stash ths toyrkokypriakhs pleyras. Tonise akomh oti elpizoyme pws me th bohqeia toy OHE o b@ gyros qa einai pio apodotikos. Se ayto h ellhnikh pleyra qa kataqesei th symbolh ths, sthrizontas thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia kai ton Proedro Klhridh.

Anefere, epishs, oti taytoxrona prowqeitai -kai se ayto dinoyme idiaitero baros- h diadikasia entajhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias sthn E.E.. Shmeiwse, omws, oti kata th diarkeia ayths ths poreias prepei na anamenoyme kapoies kinhseis, antidraseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras. Poies einai aytes; Mia apo aytes hdh ekdhlwqhke apo ton k. Tzem me thn epistolh poy apesteile sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn prosfata. Bebaiws, h epistolh ayth synanthse thn antidrash toy synoloy twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn kai den eginan apodekta ta osa isxyrizotan. Ayto, omws, htan mia morfh ths toyrkikhs antidrashs. Analoges morfes antidrashs apo thn toyrkikh pleyra den apokleietai na yparxoyn kai sto mellon. Ayto, loipon, poy hqele na tonisei o Prwqypoyrgos einai: Xreiazetai synexhs egrhgorsh, parakoloyqhsh kai doyleia, mexris otoy h entajh katastei gegonos. Ayto einai to pragmatiko periexomeno ths syzhthshs poy egine.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: To qema einai to ejhs: Edw yparxei mia dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Nomarxiakh Epitroph poy h thn apodexeste h thn aporriptete; Dioti edw leei oti h Toyrkia qa paizei kapoion rolo mexri na ftasoyme sthn entajiakh poreia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa ti anefere o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayta poy eipa einai sto pneyma ths syzhthshs poy egine. Profanws ayth h syzhthsh den katagrafhke kata gramma kai apodoqhke apo kapoion apo toys pareyriskomenoys kai eftase me th logikh toy "spasmenoy" thlefwnoy, me diaforetikh ennoia sthn Kypro. H ennoia htan sygkekrimenh kai einai ayth poy sas eipa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos, milwntas sth diarkeia ths periodeias toy sth Boria Ellada kai mesa stis Nomearxies Epitropes toy PASOK eipe gia qolo topio, gia polemo organwmenwn symferontwn, gia apajiwsh ths politikhs, apopeira apostaqeropoihshs kai kindyno ektrophs. Eipe oti kapoioi etoimazoyn diktatoria. Ti plhrofories exei h kybernhsh gyrw apo ayto to qema; Briskomaste se toso dyskolh katastash;

PRWTOPAPAS: O monos, o opoios kathgorhse politiko arxhgo oti apergazetai senaria politikhs ektrophs einai o k. Karamanlhs. Kai sas diabazw apospasma ths omilias toy: "Shmera poy oloi gnwrizoyn oti to PASOK qa xasei tis ekloges o k. Shmiths arxise na apergazetai senaria politikhs ektrophs". To "apergazetai" einai sygkekrimenh lejh. Kathgorei eyqews o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ton Prwqypoyrgo oti apergazetai senaria politikhs ektrophs. H kathgoria ayth einai aparadekth. Kai den exoyme para na tonisoyme ston k. Karamanlh oti prepei na prosexei idiaitera ayta poy leei kai na ekfrasoyme thn antiqesh mas, bebaiws, se aytoy toy eidoys th symperifora. Kai prepei na tonisw oti den einai h monh. Exoyme efta shmeia apo tis dyo omilies toy k. Karamanlh poy eginan stoys nomoys Qesprwtias kai Prebezhs, opoy mas leei pragmata, poy qa elega oti h lejh "ybris" einai ligh gia na apodwsei ayta poy eipwqhkan. Den jerw ti eidoys politikes symperifores einai aytes kai poy odhgoymaste, otan o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs ybrizei ton Prwqypoyrgo me barytatoys kai asthriktoys xarakthrismoys, oi opoioi ekfeygoyn apo kaqe ennoia omalhs politikhs syzhthshs. Kai rwtw: Poy mas odhgoyn; Einai aparadekth h anafora poy ekane oti dhqen o Prwqypoyrgos apergazetai senaria politikhs ektrophs. An einai dynaton. Ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos; O Prwqypoyrgos milhse ontws gia ena qolo topio poy epixeiroyn na dhmioyrghsoyn orismenoi kai ekane tis sxetikes anafores toy. Kai gia thn prospaqeia mias "gkrizas" enhmerwshs apo kapoioys kai gia symferonta poy exoyn na kanoyn me to G@ KPS kai gia thn emplokh toy kommatos ths N.D. me th morfh ths anoxhs h ths yposthrijhs poy exei dwsei se kapoio apo ayta.

Einai, omws, ena diaforetiko qema poy qeloyme na qijoyme ayto poy eipe peri politikhs ektrophs. Ti eipe oysiastika; Eipe oti h prospaqeia dhmioyrgias aytoy toy qoloy topioy, h prospaqeia fqoras kai apajiwshs twn qesmwn, h prospaqeia xeiragwghshs ths politikhs, ola ayta einai poy oysiastika apodynamwnoyn to politiko systhma. O Prwqypoyrgos diekrine mia prospaqeia yponomeyshs ths omalhs politikhs zwhs, mia prospaqeia apostaqeropoihshs ths politikhs kai twn qesmwn poy ekdhlwqhkan to teleytaio diasthma. Kai mh moy peite oti den to eidame; Eidame poly kala ti egine me thn periptwsh ths epiqeshs kata toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. Eidame poly kala ti egine me to texnhto klima shchs kai kataskeyhs enoxwn. Kai eidame kai ayto to klima plhroys apajiwshs ths politikhs kai twn politikwn poy epixeirhqhke na dhmioyrghqei. An ayta perasoyn sth syneidhsh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, an ayta ta sxedia ginoyn syneidhsh stoys polites, einai safes oti qa odhghqoyme se arnhtikes katastaseis, tis opoies qa plhrwsoyme oloi. Xarakthristika, sto shmeio ayto, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti h N.D. blepei to "tyraki kai xanei th faka". Sthn prospaqeia, dhladh, na apokomisei kapoio mikrokommatiko ofelos den blepei oti ayta ta senaria, oles aytes oi kinhseis poy teinoyn na apostaqeropoihsoyn to politiko systhma kai na dhmioyrghsoyn klima apajiwshs sthn politikh zwh, oysiastika odhgoyn se yponomeysh twn qesmwn, kati poy qa eprepe na mas endiaferei oloys kai qa prepei oloi na antistaqoyme. Bebaiws, den ginetai ayto apo oloys. Anaferqhka prin apo ligo stis dhlwseis toy k. Karamanlh. Mhpws qelete na anaferqw kai stis dhlwseis dyo epilektwn stelexwn ths N.D., shmera, oi opoioi milhsan gia klima abebaiothtas kai zhthsan prowres ekloges; Otan omiloyn stelexh gia klima abebaiothtas kai zhtoyn prowres ekloges den dieykolynoyn ekeinoys poy qeloyn na dhmioyrghsoyn to texnhto klima shchs kai apajiwshs; Den dieykolynoyn ayto to qolo topio, to opoio erxetai na apodynamwsei toys qesmoys kai dhmioyrgei kindynoys yponomeyshs ths omalhs politikhs zwhs; Den jerw an to ekanan aqela h hqelhmena. Jerw oti to ekanan. Den yparxei klima abebaiothtas. H xwra kybernatai. H kybernhsh toy PASOK efarmozei to programma ths kai an o ellhnikos laos to apodexqei qa thn janachfisei. Ean o ellhnikos laos krinei oti den kalyfqhke stis ekloges qa pei, as erqei kapoios allos. H xwra, omws, kybernatai me ena sygkekrimeno programma kai me thn entolh toy ellhnikoy laoy kai den exei kaneis dikaiwma na mila oyte gia klima abebaiothtas, oyte na ektojeyei protaseis peri prowrwn eklogwn, mesa se ayto to klima. Dioti to mono poy petyxainei einai na synteinei kai na enisxyei ayth thn prospaqeia yponomeyshs kai apostaqeropoihshs ths omalhs politikhs zwhs. Qa prepei idiaitera h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na to prosejei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios dhmioyrghse ayto to klima shchs, diafqoras kai abebaiothtas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh topoqethqei epi toy qematos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei plhrofories gia to poioi einai aytoi poy apergazontai, opws lete eseis, thn anatroph toy shmerinoy kaqestwtos;

PRWTOPAPAS: O kosmos kai blepei kai akoyei kai krinei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eseis den exete stoixeia; Otan lete kati prepei na to stoixeioqeteite.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kanoyme astynomiko reportaz.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Hqela na moy peite, ean symmerizetai h kybernhsh ta osa eipe xqes o Proedros ths Boylhs k. Kaklamanhs, oti oles oi politikes dynameis ths xwras sthrizoyn to politiko systhma. Kai, epishs, ean h kybernhsh symmerizetai kai ta osa eipe o Antiproedros ths Boylhs k. Geitonas oti h Dhmokratia mas exei isxyra antiswmata kai ean ayta den einai se antiqesh -plhrh antiqesh qa elega egw- me ta osa eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios afhse anoikto kai to endexomeno ths politikhs ektrophs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas ejhghsa ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio ths olhs topoqethshs toy. Qelete malista, xarakthristika na diabasw ki ena allo shmeio ths topoqethshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Ti eipe o Prwqypoyrgos: ``Prepei na orqwsoyme metwpo apenanti sthn apopeira apajiwshs ths politikhs''. Metwpo, oloi mas. Oloi na poyme oti den qa perasei h prospaqeia apajiwshs ths politikhs apenanti sthn apopeira apodynamwshs ths dhmokratias. ``Metwpo apenanti sthn enorxhstrwmenh sygxordia entypwsewn, me stoxo to rokanisma twn katakthsewn poy exoyme petyxei, thn yponomeysh twn qesmwn, th nomh ths ejoysias, ton sfeterismo twn kopwn kai twn qysiwn toy ellhnikoy laoy''. Etsi apotypwnetai kata ton kalytero tropo to periexomeno twn dhlwsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Sas diabasa apospasma apo thn omilia toy.

Bebaiws, o Proedros ths Boylhs kai alloi ekanan tis sxetikes anafores kai kaneis den mporei na diafwnhsei me aytes tis anafores toys. Qelw na sas qymisw ena shmeio apo to deltio Typoy poy ekdoqhke shmera apo to Grafeio Typoy ths Boylhs, to opoio kata th gnwmh moy qewrw poly shmantiko. To sxolio ayto epishmainei oti se apanthsh olwn twn eikasiwn poy eidan shmera to fws ths dhmosiothtas, o Proedros ths Boylhs Ap. Kaklamanhs arkeitai sto na ypenqymisei oti, edw kai polla xronia, epishmainei kata tropo epimono kai syxna, opws tonizei o idios se ``wta mh akoyontwn'', th systhmatikh apajiwsh ths politikhs, toy politikoy kosmoy kai toy Koinoboylioy poy yponomeyei toys idioys toys dhmokratikoys mas qesmoys. O Proedros ths Boylhs, xwris na parablepei atomikes eyqynes kai leitoyrgikes adynamies toy politikoy mas systhmatos., anaferetai idiaitera sto rolo kai tis eyqynes epixeirhmatiwn kai dieyqyntikwn stelexwn, poy elegxoyn amesws h emmesws hlektronika, kyriws, MME. Pisteyw oti kaneis den mporei na diafwnhsei me aytes tis anafores poy ginontai sth shmerinh anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke apo th Boylh ermhneyei, kata ton ayqentikotero tropo, tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy Koinoboylioy Ap. Kaklamanh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Na kanw pio apla thn erwthsh moy: Oi politikes dynameis ths xwras sthrizoyn to politiko systhma; H kybernhsh pisteyei oti to sthrizoyn, nai h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi politikes dynameis ths xwras ofeiloyn na sthrizoyn to politiko systhma, opws to sthrizoyme emeis kai ta alla kommata.

KANELLOPOYLOS: To sthrizei h N.D.;

PRWTOPAPAS: H N.D. prepei na prosexei -ayto qeloyme- kai na to sthrizei. Alla, h N.D. apo thn opoia perimenoyme oloi na sthrizei to politiko systhma -kai einai enas koryfaios rolos ths aytos- prepei na prosexei kai kapoies kinhseis, stis opoies eidate oti den apedwsa, kat anagkh, skopimothta, alla poy qa prepei oi idioi na mas poyn, ean yparxei h an den yparxei. Parathrhsa dyo shmeia: To prwto einai h kathgoria toy Arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kata toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti apergazetai o Prwqypoyrgos senaria ektrophs. Perimenoyme thn apanthsh toy k. Karamanlh. Na mas ejhghsei ti ennoei. Dioti, oydeis Ellhnas fysika pisteyei kati tetoio kai oydeis Ellhnas apodexetai kati tetoio. Kai to deytero einai shmerines dhlwseis dyo boyleytwn kai koryfaiwn stelexwn ths N.D., oti yparxei klima abebaiothtas kai oti prepei na ginoyn prowres ekloges. Den yparxei kanena klima abebaiothtas sthn Ellada. Mporei na yparxoyn diafwnies gia thn politikh, ayto einai qemito. Mporei kapoios na kathgorei thn kybernhsh oti den kanei kala th doyleia ths. Kai ayto einai apolytws qemito kai entassetai stoys kanones leitoyrgias ths Dhmokratias mas. Kapoios na exei to dikaiwma na thn chfisei h na thn katachfisei stis erxomenes ekloges. Kai ayto apolytws qemito einai. Kai ayto entassetai sth leitoyrgia ths Dhmokratias mas. Alla, kaneis den prepei na omilei gia klima abebaiothtas kai astaqeias, to opoio odhgei se poly epikindyna symperasmata kai hqelhmena h aqela -egw afhnw, opws blepete, periqwria- enisxyei ekeinoys poy apergazontai senaria apajiwshs toy politikoy mas systhmatos kai yponomeyshs twn qesmwn mas.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Na sas rwthsw kati allo. O Prwqypoyrgos prin apo liges hmeres miloyse gia thn isxyrh dhmokratia kai malista otan egine ayth h ahqhs epiqesh kata toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me safh kai kathgorhmatiko tropo, diabebaiwne o Prwqypoyrgos oti h Dhmokratia mas den kindyneyei. Epishs, mexri protinos akoygame ton Prwqypoyrgo na mila peri ``isxyrhs Elladas''. Me osa eipe stis teleytaies toy omilies edwse thn entypwsh oti h Ellada einai akybernhth politeia. Yparxei kati to opoio ton anhsyxei; Ti mesolabhse kai exoyme ayth th diafora twn dhlwsewn toy, mesa se liga 24wra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. H Ellada den einai akybernhth politeia. H xwra mas kybernatai kala kai badizei sto dromo ths isxyrhs Elladas, opws exoyme pei polles fores. H Ellada exei to diko ths onoma kai th dikh ths qesh stis eyrwpaikes ejelijeis. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti den yparxoyn kai kapoioi, oi opoioi profanws apergazontai kai doyleyoyn panw se mia allh kateyqynsh, sthn kateyqynsh fqoras kai apajiwshs twn qesmwn, sthn kateyqynsh xeiragwghshs ths politikhs, sthn prospaqeia dhmioyrgias orwn adynamias toy politikoy mas systhmatos. Einai allo to ena kai allo to allo.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Giati den toys katonomazei h kybernhsh aytoys toys paragontes, toys opoioys anaferate;

PRWTOPAPAS: Epitrecete mas na epilegoyme emeis tis stigmes poy qa apofasisoyme na kanoyme tis kinhseis mas. O laos, omws, blepei kai krinei kai ayto to niwqoyme oloi.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela na mas peite ean yphrje enoxlhsh apo thn pleyra toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia tis xqesines dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Boylhs, epeidh blepoyme oti bgeite kapoia anakoinwsh prin apo ligo...

PRWTOPAPAS: Kanena problhma. Epeidh grafthkan kapoia pragmata shmera kai diatypwqhkan kapoies ektimhseis, fantazomai oti ekrine skopimo h Boylh na ekdwsei sxetiko Deltio Typoy.

IWANNOY: Eipate oti o monos politikos arxhgos poy kathgorhse kai milhse gia sxedio ektrophs einai o k. Karamanlhs...

PRWTOPAPAS: Poy kathgorhse eyqews ton Prwqypoyrgo.

IWANNOY: Omws, oloi akoysame oti ayth h anafora toy k. Karamanlh egine se apanthsh ths apostrofhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy eipe poly sygkekrimena oti oi politikes dynameis poy den mporoyn na paroyn tis ekloges kai na tis kerdisoyn exoyn sxedio ektrophs toy politeymatos. O Prwqypoyrgos prwtos milhse kai anaferqhke sth N.D. h kanoyme laqos;

PRWTOPAPAS: O arxhgos ths N.D. kathgorei eyqews ton Prwqypoyrgo oti apergazetai -kai oloi katalabainoyme ti ennoei- senaria politikhs ektrophs. Kai erwtw: Pisteyei o ellhnikos laos, pisteyei h N.D.. h o k. Karamanlhs oti o Prwqypoyrgos apergazetai senaria politikhs ektrophs; Dioti, ean to pisteyei qewrw oti parakoloyqoyme ena qeatro toy paralogoy kai mia ``gkrotesko kwmwdia''. Anaforika me ayto poy me rwthsate, ejhghsa poio htan to plaisio basei toy opoioy kinhqhke o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy. Pisteyw oti enas kalopistos, kapoios poy katanoei to ti egine gyrw mas olo ayto to diasthma, den exei para na pei oti bebaiws oloi prepei na symbaloyme, wste na mhn apajiwqoyn oi qesmoi h na mhn dhmioyrghqei texnhto klima shchs kai texnhth prospaqeia dhmioyrgias enoxwn, na mh dhmioyrghqei ena klima apajiwshs ths politikhs kai twn politikwn. Kai ayto afora oloys mas. Oloi qa thn plhrwsoyme, ean ginei kati tetoio. H kathgoria toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros th N.D. htan oti blepei to tyri kai xanei th faka.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Diabasate mia anakoinwsh poy ejedwse o k. Kaklamanhs kai na ypoqesw oti symfwneite me ayth thn anakoinwsh, plhn, omws...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai o rolos moy na symfwnw h na diafwnw me tis anakoinwseis ths Boylhs. Epishmana ta kata th gnwmh moy idiaitera shmeia ta opoia anaferontai se ayth thn anakoinwsh. Einai para poly shmantika kai einai etsi ta pragmata, opws tonizontai sthn anakoinwsh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Afoy einai ta pragmata etsi opws ta leei, aytoi poy apergazontai -giati egw ayto katalaba kai diorqwste me ean kanw laqos- ta senaria politikhs ektrophs, einai oi epixeirhmaties, o epixeirhmatikos kosmos ths xwras, giati aytoys anaferei h anakoinwsh toy k. Kaklamanh. En pash periptwsei, den qa prepei na katonomastoyn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anaferei ton epixeirhmatiko kosmo ths xwras.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Milhse gia epixeirhmaties.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Allo einai o epixeirhmatias h dyo epixeirhmaties h den jerw posoi kai allo einai olos o epixeirhmatikos kosmos

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Leei oti einai epixeirhmaties aytoi poy apergazontai ta senaria.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den leei etsi o k. Kaklamanhs.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ean akoysa laqos, diorqwste me.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomimopoioyme na ermhneyw ton k. Kaklamanh, dioti allos einai o politikos moy rolos kai allh h qesmikh idiothta toy k. Kaklamanh. Qa htan atopo na epixeirw na sxoliazw tis dhlwseis toy. Aplws, anaferqhka stis epishmanseis poy polles fores exei kanei o Proedros ths Boylhs. Ayth thn ennoia exei h topoqethsh moy. Na ypenqymisw oti o k. Kaklamanhs den exei krycei tis apoceis toy, exei to qarros na tis diatypwnei, edw kai polla xronia. Exei synepeia kai synexeia se ayth thn prospaqeia toy. Aytes tis apoceis toy ypenqymisa.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: En pash periptwsei, symfwnei h kybernhsh me ta osa leei o k. Kaklamanhs se ayth thn anakoinwsh oti ta MME kai kapoioi epixeirhmaties, briskontai pisw apo ta opoia senaria;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anaferetai oyte stoys epixeirhmaties, oyte sta MME. O k. Kaklamanhs anaferetai se sygkekrimenes katastaseis.

TAKHS: Epeidh epikrinate toys boyleytes ths N.D. poy zhthsan prowres ekloges, qymamai oti sto parelqon se polles fortismenes periodoys kai o Andreas Papandreoy kai o Kwnstantinos Mhtsotakhs, opws kai alloi politikoi, eixan zhthsei prowres ekloges. Twra bazete ena plaisio poy ``poinikopoioyntai'' aytes oi lejeis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, poinikopoioyntai.

TAKHS: Enoxopoioyntai, en pash periptwsei.

PRWTOPAPAS: To ``enoxopoioyntai'' na to dexqw.

TAKHS: Ti symbainei; Dhladh, den dikaioytai h antipoliteysh na zhta prowres ekloges;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, h antipoliteysh dikaioytai na zhthsei o,ti qelei. Dhmokratia exoyme sthn Ellada. Alla, egw anaferqhka sto skeptiko toys, oti yparxei klima abebaiothtas kai astaqeias. Den yparxei klima abebaiothtas kai astaqeias sthn Ellada. Ean bgoyme kai rwthsoyme opoiondhpote Ellhna, ean yparxei kybernhsh sthn Ellada kai ean h xwra kybernatai, qa pei nai, anejarthta ean exei parapona apo th diakybernhsh h ean symfwnei. Anaferqhka sth syndesh orismenwn kinhsewn. Dioti orismenes kinhseis exoyn ginei to teleytaio diasthma, opws h kinhsh apostaqeropoihshs toy politeymatos kai h apopeira spilwshs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, to texnhto klima shchs kai kataskeyhs enoxwn, ti klima plhroys apajiwshs ths politikhs kai twn politikwn. Otan ayta ta ajiopoieis gia na pei oti yparxei astaqeia sth xwra kai ara prepei na kanoyme prowres ekloges, oysiastika erxesai na epikrothseis ekeinoys oi opoioi yioqethsan ayta ta senaria. Ayth htan h anafora moy.

KARGOYDH: Ayta ta ejwqesmika kentra, ta opoia epixeiroyn ektroph, einai ypo elegxo kai ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa pws ennooyme to olo qema, se sxesh me th lejh "ektroph". Apo ekei kai pera, opws exoyme pei, h Dhmokratia exei tis amynes ths, to kratos exei tis diadikasies toy. Oi diadikasies aytes einai idiaitera diafaneis kai elegxomenes. Qa proxwrhsoyme me bash aytes tis diadikasies.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ektos ean katalaba egw laqos, oloi parakoloyqhsame ta deltia eidhsewn kai to sxetiko reportaz kai o prwtos poy anaferqhke sth lejh "ektroph" htan o Prwqypoyrgos. Blepw oti me peisma den apantate, oyte sthn ka Iwannoy, oyte ston k. Stamatopoylo, oyte ston k. Kanellopoylo, gia ena sygkekrimeno qema: Poios milhse prwtos gia ektroph; O Prwqypoyrgos. Kai apanthse meta o k. Karamanlhs. Giati, apo o,ti akoyw twra, eseis prospaqeite na mas peisete oti prwta milhse o k. Karamanlhs gia ektroph kai akoloyqhse o k. Shmiths.

PRWTOPAPAS: Isws na mhn parakoloyqhsate deltia eidhsewn h na mhn diabasate tis omilies.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Endexomenws, nai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Dikaiologeiste, dioti o k. Shmiths paroysiase mia oloklhrh katastash poy egine h epixeirhqhke na dhmioyrghqei kai eipe oti, ean den prosejoyme, qa thn plhrwsoyme oloi kai qa diamorfwqoyn synqhkes ektrophs, ypo thn ennoia kinhsewn poy den synadoyn me thn omalh leitoyrgia toy politikoy systhmatos mas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Prwta, loipon, o k. Shmiths to anefere.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai diaforetiko na to epishmaneis ayto ws kindyno kai na kaleis oles tis dynameis na afhsoyn toys mikrokommatikoys egwismoys kai na bohqhsoyn -milhse gia metwpo o k. Shmiths- kai na symbaloyn sth sthrijh toy politikoy mas systhmatos kai sthn omalh leitoyrgia toy kai einai diaforetiko na kataggeileis ton Prwqypoyrgo kai eklegmeno hgeth ths xwras oti apergazetai tetoia senaria. Me sygxwreite, alla einai dyo teleiws diaforetika pragmata.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayta poy lete twra, einai idia me ayta poy mas eipate prohgoymenws...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Apolytws idia.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Parte ta praktika na deite...

PRWTOPAPAS: En pash periptwsei, nomizw oti sas ikanopoiei ayth h ejhghsh moy.

FILHS: Epeidh polles fores tis teleytaies hmeres kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis milhsate gia prospaqeia apajiwshs ths politikhs, qelw na sas rwthsw, to na mila kaneis aoristws oti kapoia kentra, kapoioi epixeirhmaties, kapoioi politikoi apergazontai thn apajiwsh ths politikhs h thn ektroph, den pisteyete oti ayto odhgei, estw syneirmika, ton polith na genikeyei kai na qewrei oti afoy den katonomazontai oi ypeyqynoi, oloi to idio einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, den einai etsi ta pragmata. Eipa oti o laos blepei kai krinei. Apo thn allh pleyra, to "oloi idioi einai" den to dexomai. Kaqenas krinetai apo tis prajeis toy. Krinetai apo ta pisteyw toy kai pws ta prowqei. Den eimaste oloi idioi. Egw den qa pw oti emeis eimaste oi kalyteroi. Fysika, gia na diekdikoyme thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy, shmainei oti to pisteyoyme, alla kriths einai o ellhnikos laos.

FILHS: Mia allh erwthsh gia thn teleytaia Kybernhtikh Epitroph. H epishmh enhmerwsh htan oti omofwnws h KE katelhje sthn apofash genikhs apagoreyshs twn tyxerwn paixnidiwn. Meta, omws, bgainoyn ypoyrgoi, opws o k. Tsoxatzopoylos kai alloi, oi opoioi lene "syromeqa apo thn thleorash, den einai swsth ayth h apofash mas". Einai omofwnh h apofash h den einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na epishmanw oti stis synedriaseis twn kybernhtikwn organwn akoygontai apoceis. Kai me ayth thn eykairia, epitrecte moy na sas pw oti diatypwnetai ploytos apocewn, diaforetikes apoceis, erxontai nees protaseis. Ginetai pragmatika enas shmantikos kai ploysios dialogos. Den einai swstos o tropos poy paroysiazetai orismenes fores o dialogos aytos, oti o tade h o deina ypoyrgos diafwnhsan, enw exoyn kataqesei ton problhmatismo toys. Kai ta organa ayta synedriazoyn gia na katatiqetai o problhmatismos. O problhmatismos den einai pantote eniaios. Den eimaste oyte loxos, oyte mia syntetagmenh omada h opoia erxetai apla gia na epikyrwsei eilhmmenes apofaseis. O dialogos einai oysiastikos kai mesa apo ayton, katalhgoyme se apofaseis. Kai oi telikes apofaseis kai sto qema ayto, nai, htan omofwnes.

FILHS: Einai sthn proqesh ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei sthn chfish neoy eklogikoy nomoy, anejarthtws ean yparjei symfwnia apo alla politika kommata;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai sthn proqesh ths kybernhshs na anoijei to qema toy neoy eklogikoy nomoy, meta tis Dhmotikes kai Nomarxiakes ekloges, opws ejhggeile kai o armodios ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs Kwstas Skandalidhs. Ayto einai sthn proqesh mas, dioti mas endiaferei h syzhthsh mias seiras metrwn poy aforoyn thn anabaqmish toy politikoy systhmatos mas, metajy twn opoiwn bebaiws einai kai o eklogikos nomos. Kai omilw gia metra poy symballoyn sthn poiotikh anabaqmish toy politikoy systhmatos mas, sto synolo toy. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete oti emeis ws PASOK, miloyme gia mia genikoterh strathgikh poy den entassetai se eklogikes anametrhseis -qelw na to kanw kaqaro ayto- gia mia oramatikh poreia, oramatikh optikh kai mia pio dieyrymenh politikh anasynqeshs toy xwroy ths Kentro-aristeras kai ths Aristeras -kai edw kai sthn Eyrwph- gia mia nea Aristera. Bebaiws, ayto qa prepei na ginei mesa apo ena dialogo me ola ta kommata kai toys xwroys poy exoyme apeyqynqei. Sto dialogo ayto, qa syzhthqoyn kai zhthmata qesewn, zhthmata politikhs, zhthmata poreias. Qa anazhthqoyn -fantazomai- sygkliseis. Ena apo ta stoixeia poy fysika qa syzhthqoyn einai kai h dynatothta twn kommatwn na symfwnoyn, alla na exoyn kai th dynatothta ws politikes ontothtes, ws politika kommata, sth bash enos koinoy programmatos, na metexoyn sth genikoterh poreia diakybernhshs ths xwras. Ayta, omws, den einai qemata poy qa doyme ayrio to prwi. Einai qemata poy qa syzhthqoyn meta tis Dhmotikes kai Nomarxiakes ekloges kai einai eynohto to "giati". Gia na mh qewrhsei kaneis oti yparxoyn, eite giati den yparxei etoimothta -den yparxei kanenas nomos sto syrtari- eite giati den prepei kaneis na qewrhsei oti syndeontai me sygkekrimenes eklogikes anametrhseis. Einai ena baqy pisteyw mas kai panw se ayto to pisteyw qa exoyme th dynatothta na syzhthsoyme.

FILHS: Sas rwthsa, ean ston politiko sxediasmo ths kybernhshs einai na chfisei telikws neo eklogiko nomo, anejarthtws ths symfwnias twn kommatwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayto qa to ektimhsoyme analoga me to dialogo gia ton eklogiko nomo. Dioti, gia paradeigma, einai diaforetiko na diafwnoyn oi pantes kai diaforetiko na yparxoyn symfwnies apo ena meros toy politikoy kosmoy gia ena eklogiko nomo. Enas eklogikos nomos einai ligo dyskolo na ginetai mono apo mia pleyra. Einai mia, qa elega, telikh apofash. Ayths ths telikhs apofashs prepei na prohghqei enas dialogos gia na anazhthqoyn sygkliseis kai synaineseis. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai, otan syzhthsoyme, na koitajoyme na symfwnhsoyme oso to dynaton perissoteroi. Ayto to stigma dinoyme.

SKOYRHS: Ayth h protash gia kybernhseis synergasias poy egine, giati den to exw katalabei akoma, mporei na afora kai thn periodo pro toy 2004; Kai symporeysh, dhladh; Einai krisimo shmeio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei mia seira "texnikwn" problhmatwn ston yparxonta eklogiko nomo. Alla, ayto den sterei kapoia kommata, ean to epiqymoyn kai to apotelesma twn eklogwn to epitrepei, na kanoyn kai mia synergasia. Ayto exei ginei se polles eyrwpaikes xwres.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ma, o eklogikos nomos den qa isxysei se aytes tis ekloges.

PRWTOPAPAS: Anefera sthn arxh oti o shmerinos eklogikos nomos prokalei mia seira apo periorismoys. An, omws, ekfrastoyn tetoies qelhseis kai yparxei kai ena sxetiko apotelesma eklogwn, kaneis den mporei na to apokleisei. Epitrecte moy, omws, na tonisw kai pali, gia na mh qewrhqei oti hrqame edw na syzhthsoyme ton eklogiko nomo, oti ayth h syzhthsh qa arxisei meta tis Dhmotikes kai Nomarxiakes ekloges.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia ta xqesina dhmosieymata ths efhmeridas "STO KARFI" poy apokalyptei kapoia stoixeia gia thn tromokratia, thn yparjh kapoiwn proswpwn, kapoiwn martyrwn. En pash periptwsei, ti alhqeyei apo ayta kai ti oxi kai ti einai se gnwsh ths kybernhshs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw tipota na prosqesw. Yparxoyn oi sxetikes dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs.

MOYRTZHS: H ypoqesh "froytakia" kai oi politikoi poy rixqhkan sthn arena apo toys medio-krates , einai preloydio syntagmatikhs kai politikhs ektrophs h o Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei kati baqytero poy emeis den to gnwrizoyme; Giati, kyriarxo politiko-oikonomiko gegonos, shmera, einai h diwjh kata toy k. Kokkalh. Qelw, loipon, na maqw, ean h anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy syndeetai, kaq` oiondhpote tropo, me thn ypoqesh ayth.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, ayto einai safes. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sta fainomena, ta opoia anaferate sthn eisagwgh ths parembashs sas, gi` ayto to klima shchs kai apajiwshs poy epixeirhqhke na diamorfwqei. Se tipota den syndeetai me th leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs. Exoyme topoqethqei kai exoyme pei kaqara oti h Dikaiosynh, aperispasth qa epitelesei to ergo ths se ayth thn periptwsh, opws kai se oles tis periptwseis. Exoyme pei, bebaiws, kai pros th N.D. -dioti biasthkan orismenoi na proboyn se dhlwseis- na afhsoyme oloi th Dikaiosynh na epitelesei to ergo ths. Den xreiazetai prostates kai ypoboleis, pragma poy epanelabe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios eipe sthn omilia toy -yparxei sto keimeno- oti h Dikaiosynh aperispasth kai xwris kamia parembash qa epitelesei to ergo ths.

Ayrio qa eimai sth Qessalonikh gia qemata poy syndeontai me thn ET-3. Qa anakoinwsoyme th synqesh ths dioikoysas epitrophs ths kai gia synomilies sto plaisio toy deyteroy kykloy toy dialogoy gia to nomo poy prowqoyme, me thn ESHEMQ. Yparxoyn kai kapoies alles ekdhlwseis. Logw ths paroysias moy sth Qessalonikh, qa ginei politikh enhmerwsh (briefing) sta grafeia ths ESHEMQ, sthn opoia bebaiws qa einai oi synadelfoi sas, kai qa anaferqw se ola ta qemata ths politikhs epikairothtas. Omws, epeidh synedriazei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes, o k. Xythrhs, meta th lhjh ths Diypoyrgikhs, qa sas enhmerwsei edw, gia ta apotelesmata ths Diypoyrgikhs. Epomenws, den qa ginei to briefing stis 13.00, alla, osoi apo esas to epiqymeite, mporeite na symmetasxete sthn enhmerwsh toy k. Xythrh, meta th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph.

Sas eyxaristw.


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