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Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-12

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA EPIKOINWNIAS

GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 12 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 57060435

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Febroyarioy 2007

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, Trith 13 Febroyarioy, stis 11 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, ypo thn Proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, me qema ``Eyryzwnikothta kai chfiakh strathgikh''.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTSARAKOS: Sto plaisio toy dialogoy poy eipate gia thn Paideia, lambanete ypoch sas kai tis protaseis toy k. Pagkaloy, na mpainei h Astynomia sta panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis en logw dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei. Jerete oti h kybernhsh sebetai oles tis apoceis. Qa hqela omws na pw oti to PASOK profanws, qewrei oti ayto einai ena eswteriko toy qema. Sas ypenqymizw, omws, oti kai sthn trihmerh syzhthsh poy egine prosfata, to properasmeno Sabbatokyriako sth Boylh, h dikh mas qesh htan jekaqarh: Ayto einai ena qema poy afora thn koinwnia. H atakth opisqoxwrhsh kai palindromhsh toy k. Papandreoy kai toy PASOK, se toso oysiastika qemata, se qemata metarryqmisewn kai allagwn poy apoteloyn aithma ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn, ena aithma sto opoio antapokrinetai h shmerinh kybernhsh, me synepeia kai staqerothta, epanalambanw loipon, ayto to aithma afora olh thn koinwnia. Kai h shmerinh kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, atalanteyta, aparegklita, me synepeia, efarmozei kai qa synexisei na efarmozei to programma ths.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti h kybernhsh qa efarmosei to programma ths. Kathgoreite malista gia ypanaxwrhsh to PASOK, alla kai apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs, den blepoyme kati na proxwra se sxesh me tis metarryqmiseis sthn Anwtath Ekpaideysh. Epanalambanete diarkws oti h kybernhsh ejantlei kaqe periqwrio dialogoy, sthn pragmatikothta, omws, den blepoyme na diejagetai dialogos tis teleytaies ebdomades kai anarwtiomaste, ti akribws perimenei h kybernhsh gia na proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh toy nomoy sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw, kat` arxas, se xqesines dhlwseis poy eginan apo thn armodia Ypoyrgo k. Giannakoy. Alla, epeidh profanws leipate kyrie Xiwth, prin apo liges hmeres, sthn aiqoysa edw ths enhmerwshs...

XIWTHS: Sas diabasa...

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti exete diabasei thn enhmerwsh. Jerw oti me epimeleia antapokrineste sta kaqhkonta sas kai to lew me apolyth eilikrineia. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti o dialogos -to exw pei kai to janalew, nomizw, gia trith, tetarth fora- einai kati zwntano. Ginetai me thn ekfrash apocewn, me th diatypwsh apocewn, me thn kataqesh apocewn, apo oloys ekeinoys poy exoyn kapoia qesmikh qesh kai diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys, alla kai apo endiaferomenoys Ellhnes polites, apo dhmosiografoys poy askoyn kritikh ths mias h ths allhs apochs. Olo ayto to plegma apotelei ena dialogo, o opoios einai poly paragwgikos -kai prosqetw- kai poly xrhsimos. Allwste, h kybernhsh exei parei sygkekrimenh qesh. Exei pei oti otan oloklhrwqoyn aytes oi diergasies kai h proetoimasia poy xreiazetai, prokeimenoy na diatypwqei ena nomosxedio toso shmantiko, opws to sygkekrimeno, ayto qa katateqei synolika sth Boylh, prokeimenoy na ginei h syzhthsh kai h chfish toy. Kai mesa sta xronika ekeina periqwria ta opoia sas exoyme prodiagracei, dhladh th qhteia ths shmerinhs Boylhs. Den exei allajei tipote panw se ayto. Einai safhs h qesh ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: Ti proetoimasia ginetai twra, ayth th stigmh, kai den katatiqetai o nomos-plaisio; Peite mas, ayth th stigmh, ti kanete, ti proergasia kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Ginetai olh h proergasia poy apaiteitai prokeimenoy na diatypwqoyn oi sygkekrimenes diatajeis. Otan oloklhrwqei h sygkekrimenh proetoimasia, tote to nomosxedio qa katateqei.

BLAXOS: Kaqarografetai, dhladh, o nomos-plaisio; Ayto mas lete;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa mpw se leptomereies. O,ti sas exw pei kai o,ti exei pei bebaiws h armodia Ypoyrgos, h opoia exei kai thn politikh eyqynh toy sygkekrimenoy nomosxedioy, isxyei sto akeraio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Drattomai ths eykairias apo mia dhlwsh sas. O dialogos, eipate, gia to qema ths Paideias, gia oysiastikh metarryqmish, einai kati to zwntano. Pws einai dynaton na qewreitai zwntanos enas dialogos opoy den antapokrinetai toylaxiston h antipera oxqh; Dhladh, den antapokrinontai oyte ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs ta opoia exoyn parei kaqeth qesh, arnhtikh kai apo thn allh pleyra h panepisthmiakh koinothta exei, an den apatwmai, kataqesei tis protaseis ths. Hdh, kapoioi kaqhghtes mazecan ypografes, kateqesan tis dikes toys apoceis, ara perimenete kapoies alles protaseis apo kapoia alla kommata;

ANTWNAROS: Blepw na erxontai kaqe hmera polles protaseis, polles skeceis, polles idees sth dhmosiothta. Ayto kanei to dialogo poly zwntano. Otan krinoyme oti oloklhrwnetai h diadikasia proetoimasias, tote qa katateqei synolika o nomos-plaisio.

GKOYTZANHS: ``An kapoioi exoyn sto myalo toys na moy dhmioyrghsoyn skhniko aimatos, prepei na jeroyn oti qa katebw kai qa toys plakwsw me ta idia moy ta xeria''. Einai dhlwsh toy k. Byrwna Polydwra. Twra, dhladh, qa prepei na fobomaste oti ean eklabei kapoies apoceis o k. Polydwras ws skhniko aimatos, qa prepei na toys deirei kiolas;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw th sygkekrimenh dhlwsh. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h kybernhsh -kai den exete kamia endeijh gia to antiqeto- kineitai sta plaisia ths apolyths nomimothtas.

BLAXOS: Na qesw kati diadikastiko. To gegonos oti den exete diabasei tis efhmerides kai th synenteyjh enos Ypoyrgoy, den shmainei oti den prepei na th sxoliasete. Mas lete synexws oti den gnwrizete mia dhlwsh. Edw einai dhmosieymenh h dhlwsh...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: ... Se synenteyjh. Eiste ypoxrewmenos na jerete th dhlwsh ayth kai na th sxoliasete.

ANTWNAROS: Antilhch sas einai, thn opoia sebomai.

KAKALHS: Kathgorhsate to PASOK gia atakth opisqoxwrhsh sta qemata twn metarryqmisewn kai eidika gia thn Paideia...

ANTWNAROS: Kai gia palindromhsh.

KAKALHS: Wstoso, o Proedros toy PASOK k. Papandreoy, se kyriakatikh synenteyjh toy, dhlwnei oti emmenei sth qesh toy gia to arqro 16 kai afhnei na ennohqei oti kata pasa piqanothta, qa thn chfisei sthn epomenh Boylh. Epishs, thn idia stigmh, o k. Pagkalos zhtaei na mpei h Astynomia mesa sta panepisthmia. Ayto, antikeimenika, den deixnei mia koinh poreia twn dyo megalwn kommatwn kai mia sympleysh toys kai ara den bazei kai to PASOK ``plates'' stis metarryqmiseis;

ANTWNAROS: Eidate me ti akribeia topoqeteitai h lejh ``palindromhsh'' poy xrhsimopoihsa molis;

GKOYTZANHS: Den exei apostei pote apo ayth th qesh o k. Papandreoy gia na yparjei palindromhsh..

ANTWNAROS: Ejartatai apo to pws ``diabazei'' kaneis th dhlwsh.

XIWTHS: Lete oti h kybernhsh epidiwkei enan paragwgiko dialogo gia ta zhthmata ths Anwtaths Ekpaideyshs. Exw thn entypwsh oti gia na yparjei...

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti ginetai paragwgikos, dhmioyrgikos kai poly xrhsimos, kata thn proswpikh moy antilhch, dialogos.

XIWTHS: Dhmioyrgikos otan sto dialogo ayto symmetexei monon h mia pleyra. Dhladh, monon oi foreis. Den gnwrizoyme ti proteinei h kybernhsh, ti proqeseis exei kai ti diatajeis skopeyei na symperilabei se ayto to nomo kai otan to prajei, anarwtiemai qa exei oloklhrwqei h diadikasia toy dialogoy, ara h opoia kritikh ginei stis diatajeis toy sygkekrimenoy nomosxedioy den qa apotelei shmeio dialogoy pia;

ANTWNAROS: Na sas parapemcw se mia xqesinh dhlwsh ths k. Giannakoy; Erwtwmenh eipe ``emeis exoyme topoqethqei kai exoyme pei oti qa anateqei kai to qema toy asyloy sto Prytaniko Symboylio''. Ayto eipe metajy twn allwn. H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei se polla qemata. Oi qeseis ths kybernhshs einai gnwstes kai qa sas ginoyn gnwstes kwdikopoihmenes, pera apo kaqe amfisbhthsh, otan oloklhrwqoyn oi proetoimasies.

MAYRIDHS: Epeidh k. Ekproswpe erxetai kai trihmero kai ligo-poly kai emeis ws ergazomenoi qa prepei na kanonisoyme kai tis oikogeneiakes mas ypoxrewseis, anasxhmatismos qa ginei ayth thn ebdomada h thn epomenh;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tetoio qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se kaqe erwthsh gia to xrono kataqeshs toy epimaxoy -kai moy epitrepete to oro- nomosxedioy gia thn Paideia, apantate sxedon stereotypa, xwris na einai arnhtikh ayth h apoch oti qa katateqei o nomos aytos sth diarkeia ths qhteias ths shmerinhs Boylhs...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

PALAIOLOGOS: ... qa hqela na sas kanw mia erwthsh akrws ypainiktikh: Qa chfistei kai apo ayth th Boylh to nomosxedio h apla qa katateqei mono;

ANTWNAROS: Otan katatiqetai ena nomosxedio, chfizetai kiolas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa chfistei, dhladh. Eiste bebaios gi` ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Mh diylizete ton kwnwpa ekei opoy den xreiazetai.

KAKALHS: Einai alhqeia oti epikoinwnhse o k. Pagkalos me thn k. Giannakoy kai ths eipe oti qa chfisei to arqro gia to asylo poy perilambanetai sto nomo-plaisio, opws anaferei shmera filokybernhtikh efhmerida;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy na exei ginei tetoia epikoinwnia.

KAKALHS: Th diaceydete, dhladh; Den katalaba.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy na exei ginei tetoia epikoinwnia.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw ean o Prwqypoyrgos exei jekinhsei na dexetai eishghseis apo ypoyrgoys kai stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias sxetika me thn katartish twn chfodeltiwn ths kybernhtikhs paratajhs gia tis erxomenes boyleytikes ekloges.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti yparxei syzhthsh gia tis epomenes ekloges, oi opoies  opws sas exoyme pei- exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos qa ginoyn sthn wra toys. H kybernhsh exei akomh pollh doyleia na kanei.

GKOYTZANHS: Se ena allo qema. Ta peri toy biblioy Istorias ths ST' Dhmotikoy, einai ligo-poly gnwsta kai ths ekdoxhs poy exei gia thn ellhnikh Istoria. Ektos apo ayto to biblio yparxoyn kai synodeytika bohqhmata, ta opoia apeyqynontai stoys daskaloys, opoy ayth h ekdoxh ths Istorias einai pio aperifrasth. Anaferw merika apo ayta poy perilambanontai: Yparxei enas xarths me ta Skopia ws Makedonia, yparxei o Kemal poy anaferetai ws eleyqerwths, h Mikrasiatikh Katastrofh poy anaferetai ws apeleyqerwsh apo toys Ellhnes twn toyrkikwn plhqysmwn. Ayta ta bohqhmata xrhmatodotoyntai apo to Kentro gia th symfiliwsh kai th Dhmokratia sta Balkania kai apo to ellhniko pararthma `` H Enwsh gia th Dhmokratia sta Balkania''. To periergo pio einai; Oti sto Dioikhtiko Symboylio, sthn Episthmonikh Epitroph, yparxei to onoma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy k. Karamanlh.

ANTWNAROS: Den to exw ypoch moy to qema. Na mhn sas talaipwrhsw parapanw. Eyxaristws na enhmerwqw apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio kai entos ths hmeras qa sas dwsw apanthsh ep` aytoy.

NASOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate oti otan enas nomos katatiqetai, chfizetai kiolas apo th Boylh. Qelw apla na qymisw oti o nomos-plaisio gia ton opoio syzhtame perysi ton Ioynio eixe katateqei sth Boylh me prooptikh na chfistei ton Ioylio. Den exei chfistei.

ANTWNAROS: H proqesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy sas periegraca.

KAKALHS: O Proedros toy PASOK tassetai yper ths anejarthsias toy Kosoboy me taytoxronh prooptikh entajhs toy sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. H kybernhsh giati apofeygei na dhmosiopoihsei th dikh ths qesh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh kai staqerh qesh. Sas thn epanalambanw se genikes grammes: Yposthrizoyme kai sthrizoyme tis prospaqeies poy kanei o k. Axtisaari ws ekproswpos toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas. H Ellada, ws mia xwra poy exei gnwsh ths perioxhs, yposthrizei mia lysh gia to mellontiko kaqestws toy Kossyfopedioy, h opoia qa einai leitoyrgikh kai biwsimh. Pisteyoyme oti basiko krithrio prepei na einai h enisxysh ths staqerothtas sthn perioxh. Prepei na diasfalizetai o polypolitismikos xarakthras toy Kossyfopedioy, h asfaleia olwn twn katoikwn toy kai bebaiws h asfaleia kai h leitoyrgikothta twn istorikwn kai qrhskeytikwn mnhmeiwn kai xwrwn olwn twn katoikwn ths perioxhs. Telos, prepei na epidiwxqei h eyrwpaikh prooptikh olhs ths perioxhs kai h anagkh na throyntai oi eyrwpaikes arxes kai ajies. Gnwrizete oti ena apo ta qemata syzhthshs ths Synodoy twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, shmera, stis Bryjelles, einai kai to qema toy Kossyfopedioy. Ej oswn gnwrizw, meta thn oloklhrwsh twn diaboyleysewn poy qa ginoyn kai stis opoies metexei kai h ellhnikh antiproswpeia ypo thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn k. Ntora Mpakogiannh, qa kanei mia enhmerwsh, sxetikes dhlwseis o Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Balhnakhs, stis opoies kai parapempw gia perissoteres leptomereies.

KAKALHS: Ara, ean moy epitrepete, apo ayth thn perifrastikh topoqethsh prokyptei oti tasseste yper ths anejarthsias.

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na diabasete prosektika th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai na mhn biazeste na katalhgete se biastika symperasmata.

MELIGKWNHS: Sygnwmh, alla se ayto to keimeno poy mas diabasate, den leei poyqena ean eiste yper h kata ths anejarthtopoihshs toy Kosoboy.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na to diabasete, dioti exei arketes shmantikes apoxrwseis. Allwste, epanelaba qeseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oi opoies einai gnwstes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epanerxomai sto qema ths Paideias. Xqes, o k. Papandreoy, sth synenteyjh toy, epanadiatypwse th gnwsth toy apoch gia to arqro 16, symfwnwntas, toylaxiston se o,ti afora sto shmeio ayto me thn kybernhsh, gia thn anaqewrhsh toy epimaxoy arqroy. Apo thn allh, omws, apoxwrhse apo th Boylh qewrwntas oti den prepei na synainesei se ayth thn anaqewrhsh. Perimenei h kybernhsh kapoia allagh stashs apo ton Proedro toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenh qesh panw se ayto to qema kai proxwra me thn politikh thn opoia exei kanei gnwsth stoys Ellhnes polites ej arxhs. Exei kanei sygkekrimenes protaseis se sxesh me th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh stis opoies perilambanetai kai h anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16. Qa hqela na sas qymisw oti eite to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs qelei na to paradexqei h den qelei na to paradexqei, h epomenh Boylh --afoy einai ekpefrasmenh proqesh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs na ginoyn oi dyo problepomenes chfofories stis epomenes eji ebdomades sth shmerinh Boylh-- qa einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh. Ola ta alla ta opoia legontai, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayto omws shmainei oti me th stash ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs pame se mia diadikasia opoy qa xreiazontai 180 boyleytes gia na proxwrhsei h anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Ayto fantazei ligo dyskolo, poy shmainei oti den qa ginei anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Qa dwsw akribws thn idia apanthsh poy edwsa kai thn Pempth kai thn Paraskeyh. Antiqeta me esas poy speydete na prokatalabete, toso th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oso kai th stash twn kommatwn ta opoia qa metexoyn sthn epomenh Boylh, egw den prokeitai na to kanw.

BLAXOS: Elpizete na parete 180 chfoys h na allajei stash to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka. Egw den prokatalambanw oyte to ena, oyte to allo.

BLAXOS: Pio realistiko poio einai; Oi 180 boyleytes h allagh;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh moy einai pentakaqarh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, thn Paraskeyh eixame to tragiko symban ths anqrwpoktonias toy Iwannh Barqolomaioy, dioikhth toy IKA kai koryfaioy stelexoys epi xronia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Htan genikos dieyqynths toy kommatos gia mia dekaetia kai pleon. Gnwrizete ypoqetw oti thn eidhsh toy qanatoy synodeyoyn kai diafora senaria, peri toy ti mporei na krybetai, me to an syndeetai me th qesh poy eixe ws dioikhths toy IKA k.t.l. Yparxei kati ep` aytoy apo thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa elega mono oti kai h aqliothta exei ta oria ths.

MAYRIDHS: Qelw na epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. Eipate oti h epomenh Boylh qa einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh. Dedomenoy oti gia na ginei, na oloklhrwqei h anaqewrhsh kai me dedomeno oti to PASOK exei pei hdh oti den qa synainesei, qa apoxwrhsei apo thn epomenh diadikasia. Gia na oloklhrwqei, loipon, h anaqewrhsh apaiteitai h synainesh ths Aristeras. Einai efikth mia tetoia synainesh, dedomenoy oti o k. Polydwras pyrodotei tis sxeseis toy me ton Synaspismo;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den ginetai antilhpto ayto to opoio lew. H epomenh Boylh, efoson einai ekpefrasmenh boylhsh ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, ths shmerinhs kybernhtikhs pleiochfias na ginoyn oi dyo chfofories poy problepontai apo to Syntagma sth shmerinh Boylh, qa einai anagkastika anaqewrhtikh. Qa moy epitrecete gia to qema twn chfoforiwn sthn epomenh Boylh na mhn kanw kamia problech. Na mhn prokatalabw dhladh -opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws- toso th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oso kai th stash twn kommatwn poy qa briskontai sthn epomenh Boylh. Einai poly makrys o dromos.

MELIGKWNHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories kai exoyn bgei sxetika dhmosieymata oti o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn epejergazetai ena prosxedio eklogikoy nomoy poy qa einai parallagh toy eklogikoy nomoy Koybela. Telika yparxei qema allaghs nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei safestata sto qema toy eklogikoy nomoy. H shmerinh kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos den paizoyn me toys qesmoys.

GKOYTZANHS: O rolos mas edw einai na kanoyme erwthseis, alla epitrecte moy na parekklinw ligo, na kanw mia protash: Sthn epomenh Boylh qa kataqesei h kybernhtikh pleiochfia thn protash ths gia th diatypwsh toy arqroy 16...

ANTWNAROS: Sas diorqwnw. Einai qema Proedroy ths Boylhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, entajei. Alla h kybernhtikh pleiochfia qa exei thn apoch kai oysiastika ayth qa th diamorfwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw egw edw maqhmata syntagmatikoy dikaioy. Parakalw omws na symboyleyteite...

GKOYTZANHS: Exw kanei 8 ejamhna syntagmatiko dikaio kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Parola tayta, egw den qa kanw maqhmata syntagmatikoy dikaioy. H erwthsh sas poia einai;

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Qa kataqesei, telos pantwn, thn protash toy gia to arqro 16, qa symballei kai o k. Papandreoy me to PASOK, giati etsi dhlwse kai xqes oti epimenei sthn allagh toy...

ANTWNAROS: Den prokatalambanw th stash kanenos kommatos, opws sas eipa, sthn epomenh Boylh.

BLAXOS: Exete endeijeis oti qa allajei stash sthn epomenh Boylh -meta tis ekloges- o k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy kai to PASOK exoyn allajei 4 h 5 fores apoceis kai topoqethsh. Sas ta eipe ola ayta o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh, to properasmeno Sabbatokyriako. Mhn ta jexnate. Poly prosfata einai. Alla, en pash periptwsei, se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na prokatalabw egw oyte th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oyte th stash twn kommatwn poy qa briskontai sthn epomenh Boylh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh, na dieykrinisoyme kati gia na mh dhmioyrgeitai sygxysh; Exete dikio ws pros th stash toy k. Papandreoy...

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Kanete laqos. Egw milaw gia th stash twn kommatwn, synolika, ta opoia qa briskontai ekei.

GKOYTZANHS: Wraia, anaqewrw. Exete dikio gia th stash toy PASOK. Arxika eixe...

BLAXOS: Pws to ennoeite ayto; Epejhghste to. Ennoeite gia th stash toy PASOK kai oxi gia th stash toy G. Papandreoy; Dhladh qewreite oti den qa einai arxhgos toy PASOK o Papandreoy; Eipate oti den milate gia proswpa, milate gia ta kommata. Ennoeite oti mporei, elpizete, na mhn einai o G. Papandreoy arxhgos toy PASOK stis epomenes ekloges, sthn epomenh Boylh;

ANTWNAROS: Mh bazete sto stoma moy pragmata ta opoia den eipa.

BLAXOS: Dieykrinish zhtaw kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: H dhlwsh thn opoia ekana kai thn janakanw, einai safestath: Ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den exw kamia proqesh na prokatalabw oyte th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oyte th stash twn kommatwn poy qa briskontai tote sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Tipote allo.

GKOYTZANHS: Na kanw egw thn erwthsh moy giati me diekoce o k. Blaxos;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: To PASOK eixe arxika pei oti qa chfize thn anaqewrhsh toy arqroy 16 se ayth th Boylh kai allaje stash. Ws pros ayto, dikaiwnei toys xarakthrismoys sas. Ws pros thn oysia, o k. Papandreoy omws den leei kati diaforetiko. Edw pera den yparxei palindromhsh. Elege apo thn arxh, oti einai yper twn idiwtikwn panepisthmiwn, ejakoloyqei na leei ayto to pragma.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas eipa, as perimenoyme na ftasoyme sthn epomenh Boylh poy qa einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh.

SPYRAKH: An moy epitrepete, h diatypwsh sas ``as perimenoyme na ftasoyme sthn epomenh Boylh poy'' kata th gnwmh sas ``qa einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh''.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi kata th gnwmh moy. Qa einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh. Dioti eipa ligo prin erqete -gi` ayto profanws den exete ypoch sas ayto to kommati- oti h kybernhsh exei ekpefrasmenh boylhsh na ferei, opws to exei pei allwste, tis epomenes 6 ebdomades -allwste ayto einai pleon qema toy proedreioy ths Boylhs kai den einai qema ths kybernhshs- pros chfish tis anaqewrhtees diatajeis sth shmerinh Boylh.

SPYRAKH: Egw politika to qetw, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Ki egw sas to qetw oysiastika.

SPYRAKH: To katalabainw. Dedomenoy oti to PASOK yposthrizei oti se periptwsh poy exei thn pleiochfia, h epomenh Boylh den qa einai anaqewrhtikh alla qa einai pro-anaqewrhtikh, ayth den einai h qesh toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw eilikrina poia einai h qesh toy PASOK. Ekeino poy me endiaferei en prokeimenw einai ta pragmatika stoixeia ta opoia prepei na synqetoyn th syzhthsh mas. H epomenh Boylh, meta thn chfish twn anaqewrhtewn diatajewn apo th shmerinh Boylh, einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh.

SPYRAKH: Malista. Twra, loipon, kaqws to sxolio ths kybernhshs einai oti den prokatalambanei th stash kanenos kommatos...

ANTWNAROS: To exw pei apo thn Paraskeyh.

SPYRAKH: Nai. Shmainei oti afhnei anoixto to endexomeno to PASOK na proselqei sthn chfoforia, sthn epomenh Boylh kai na chfisei h na mhn chfisei sygkekrimena ypo anaqewrhsh arqra toy Syntagmatos. Kala to katalabainw; To PASOK leei oti den erxetai, ayto qelw na sas pw.

ANTWNAROS: Egw sas lew kati para poly aplo: Ws kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, den mporw na prokatalabw kai oyte qa to kanw, oyte th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oyte th stash twn kommatwn poy qa briskontai tote sth Boylh. Sas lew to aytonohto, to pio aplo pragma poy mporw na sas pw.

SPYRAKH: Opote twra na rwthsw kati oysiastiko: Exei h kybernhsh th diaqesh na epityxei thn eyryterh dynath synainesh gia thn allagh toy arqroy 16 sthn epomenh Boylh, dedomenoy oti opws mas eipate, einai ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh; Kai otan lew thn eyryterh dynath synainesh, ennow akomh kai sto endexomeno ths yioqethshs ths diatypwshs ths protashs toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei sygkekrimenes qeseis, oi opoies einai kala gnwstes se oloys.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pisteyete oti einai dokimo sthn politikh praktikh o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, ena xrono prin apo tis ekloges  symfwna me th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy- na qetei qema allaghs hgesias sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws den antilhfqhkate ti sas eipa.

BLAXOS: Me emmeso tropo ayto kanete.

ANTWNAROS: Eiste o monos sthn aiqoysa o opoios antilambaneste osa eipa me ayto ton tropo. Sas eipa oti se kamia periptwsh, ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, poly diasthma prin apo tis epomenes ekloges kai prin prokycei h synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, den prokeitai na prokatalabw oyte th synqesh ths epomenhs Boylhs, oyte th stash twn kommatwn poy qa briskontai tote sthn ellhnikh Boylh. Einai to idio pragma poy eipa, an den kanw laqos, thn Pempth h thn Paraskeyh. Den allazei tipota. Ean qelete na kanete akrobatikes ermhneies, ayto to dikaiwma den mporw se kamia periptwsh na sas to afairesw.

MAYRIDHS: Fantazomai oti qa htan qemito gia thn kybernhsh, ta kommata ths Aristeras na synainesoyn se ayth thn prwtoboylia poy exete labei. Yparxei kapoia allh prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs gia na ejomalynqoyn oi sxeseis ths me ton SYNASPISMO meta thn ojynsh poy exei epikrathsei me tis dhlwseis toy k. Polydwra;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis den prokaloyme kamia ojynsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sto ``emeis'' sygkatalegete kai ton k. Polydwra, fantazomai.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den prokalei kamia ojynsh. Alloi einai ekeinoi poy exoyn kanei thn polwsh shmaia toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Ma eipe oti qa mas deirei o k. Polydwras, me ta idia toy ta xeria.

Sas eyxaristw.


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