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Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-11-28

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 28 Noembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 172317703

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Noembrioy 2008

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

" H ellhnikh kybernhsh katadikazei aperifrasta kai me ton pio entono tropo tis cyxres, egklhmatikes tromokratikes epiqeseis sthn India. Tipote apolytws, poyqena ston kosmo, den mporei na dikaiologhsei tetoies anandres epiqeseis, se baros anypociastwn politwn. Kaneis den exei to dikaiwma, me opoiodhpote prosxhma, na afairei anqrwpines zwes. H zwh kai o sebasmos ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias einai apolyta anafaireta dikaiwmata. Ekfrazoyme ta syllyphthria mas stis oikogeneies twn qymatwn. H Ellada exei dhlwsei apo thn prwth stigmh oti einai proqymh na parasxei bohqeia, efoson ths zhthqei.

" Apo th shmerinh syzhthsh sth Boylh gia qemata Ygeias, kratw th desmeysh toy arxhgoy toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs oti symfwnei me allagh ths nomoqesias gia thn proslhch noshleytikoy proswpikoy sta dhmosia nosokomeia me pio syntomes diadikasies apo aytes poy isxyoyn shmera. Qymizw oti h kybernhsh eixe proteinei eidikes ryqmiseis gia tis proslhceis noshleytwn, wste akribws na perioristoyn oi kaqysterhseis. Tote, to PASOK eixe arnhqei na synainesei. H allagh stashs toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs einai mia kat` arxhn qetikh ejelijh. Me thn proypoqesh, bebaia, oti to PASOK den qa epanaprosdiorisei th stash toy, kati poy exei kanei se alla qemata. Sas ypenqymizw thn chfoforia, th syzhthsh gia to Syntagma, sto prosfato parelqon.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

STAQOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti to PASOK sas eixe kathgorhsei tote, sto parelqon, gi` ayto to qema, oti qa kanate proslhceis ektos ASEP...

ANTWNAROS: Eipame kati poly aplo: Yparxei safhs anagkh proslhchs noshleytikoy proswpikoy, wste na kalyfqoyn kena ta opoia yparxoyn sto E.S.Y., sta dhmosia nosokomeia. Ayth h diadikasia, opws gnwrizete, einai synhqws poly xronobora. Emeis eixame proteinei na syntmhqoyn, me mia eidikh ryqmish, aytes oi diadikasies, me synainesh twn kommatwn poy ekproswpoyn toys Ellhnes polites sth Boylh, wste grhgora kai xwris aytes tis xronobores diadikasies, na proxwrhsoyme akribws se aytes tis proslhceis. Xairomaste - -kai to lew eyqews- - oti apo th syzhthsh ths erwthshs shmera, prokyptei oti to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, exei profanws thn proqesh na synainesei kai na symprajei. Ayto einai mia qetikh ejelijh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kat` arxas, gia na ajiopoihsete qetika th synainetikh ayth kinhsh toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, qa prepei kai na proxwrhsete se kapoia nomoqetikh ryqmish, alla kai na diasfalisete oti oi opoies proslhceis poy qa ginoyn me ayth th nomoqetikh ryqmish, qa einai ajiokratikes kai oxi kommatikes, giati asfalws, se mia tetoia periptwsh den mporei na sas dwsei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs th synainesh toy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti einai apolytws safes: Xreiazetai mia nomoqetikh dieyqethsh aytoy toy qematos. Kai pisteyw oti ola ayta ta qemata qa syzhthqoyn, otan erqei, me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs to qema sth Boylh.

GARGALAKOS: Einai desmeysh apo esas gia ajiokratikes proslhceis;

ANTWNAROS: Oles oi proslhceis sto Dhmosio ginontai pleon me ajiokratika krithria. Oi epoxes poy qymaste exoyn perasei anepistrepti.

GARGALAKOS: H kybernhsh protiqetai na anaqewrhsei to sxedio toy Proypologismoy poy exei kataqesei; Kai kati akomh, symplhrwmatiko ws pros ayto: Epeidh to Parathrhthrio ths Ftwxeias kai to Institoyto Ergasias ths GSEE, me stoixeia poy edwsan sth dhmosiothta, deixnoyn oti h ftwxeia, pleon, aggizei to 20%, dhladh enas stoys pente Ellhnes exei eisodhma katw apo ta oria ths ftwxeias, mhpws qa ajiopoihsete kai thn elastikothta toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas gia na enisxysete ayto to 20%, gia na antepejelqei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati, giati emmesws moy ypobalete tis erwthseis me allh morfh poy moy exoyn ypoblhqei tis teleytaies hmeres epaneilhmmenws se ayto to xwro. Isxyoyn osa exw pei sxetika me th stash, th bohqeia, thn opoia parexei h ellhnikh Politeia pros osoys exoyn anagkh. Pros ta ekei akribws katateinoyn oles oi prospaqeies tis opoies kanoyme. Gnwrizete oti epikeitai, se treis ebdomades peripoy, h syzhthsh toy Proypologismoy sth Boylh, opws ginetai kaqe xrono. Ekei qa topoqethqoyn kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti brisketai ayth th stigmh, sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, mia syzhthsh se ejelijh, sxetika me epipleon prwtoboylies oi opoies qa analhfqoyn. Eipa kai alles fores tis teleytaies hmeres kai to epanalambanw kai shmera oti h syzhthsh ayth qa fqasei sta epomena stadia ths, kata th syzhthsh poy qa ginei sto ECOFIN kai sto teliko ths stadio, sth syzhthsh poy qa ginei apo to Symboylio Arxhgwn stis 11 kai 12 Dekembrioy, stis Bryjelles.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kati sxetiko na mas anakoinwsete, oson afora kapoia endexomenh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn perifereia ayrio;

ANTWNAROS: To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy anakoinwnetai, opws panta, apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Otan yparjei kati, qa to plhroforhqeite.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Xqes, o monaxos Eydokimos milhse, apokalyce mallon, tis epafes poy eixe o hgoymenos Efraim kai o monaxos Arsenios me kybernhtika stelexh, me ton k. Mpasiako, me ton k. Konto, me ton k. Doyka. Qa hqela to diko sas sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia kataqeseis, oi opoies ginontai sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph. Ola ta stoixeia ta opoia katatiqentai, ajiologoyntai apo ta melh ths Epitrophs kai qa lhfqoyn ypoch - -eimai bebaios- - kata th syntajh toy porismatos otan oloklhrwqoyn oi ergasies. Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: H kybernhsh gnwrize gi` aytes tis epafes, asxeta me ayta poy eipe o monaxos Eydokimos; H kybernhsh gnwrize;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia kataqeseis. Sas to exw pei kai alles fores.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Feygoyme apo thn kataqesh k. Ekproswpe. To erwthma moy einai safes. Gnwrize h kybernhsh gia tis epafes poy eixan ta kybernhtika stelexh me ton hgoymeno kai me ton...

ANTWNAROS: Tis plhrofories sas apo poy tis exete;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa apologhqw apo poy exw tis plhrofories moy;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, loipon, plhrofories twn opoiwn den gnwrizw tis phges.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sas rwtaw, loipon. Einai se gnwsh sas; Yphrxan epafes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na sas pw kati ep` aytoy, dioti epikaleiste kataqeseis, tis opoies egw den prokeitai na sxoliasw.

STAQOPOYLOS: Yphrjan epafes toy hgoymenoy ths Monhs Batopaidioy Efraim me ton k. Dry kai ton k. Fwtiadh;

ANTWNAROS: Menw kai sth dikh sas erwthsh, se ayta poy exw hdh pei. Osa exoyn katateqei sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, eimai bebaios oti qa ta ajiologhsoyn ta melh, oi boyleytes, oi opoioi proerxontai apo oles tis pteryges ths Boylhs, wste na katartisoyn to porisma toys. Ayth einai h apostolh thn opoia exoyn.

DHMADHS: Epeidh blepoyme na ejelissetai mia prospaqeia kai to eidame kai xqes me ton k. Xrhsto Markogiannakh, o opoios zhthse na jekinhsoyn oi kataqeseis twn Ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs toy PASOK, mesa akoma kai sto Sabbatokyriako. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to poly aplo, gia poio logo h kybernhsh prospaqei na epispeysei thn oloklhrwsh ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Dhladh, den prepei na ylopoihqei to xronodiagramma poy exei teqei; Yparxei skech gia prin tis 15 Dekembrioy na exoyn oloklhrwqei oi diadikasies aytes;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, monos sas eipate oti yparxei xronodiagramma. Kai profanws, antilambanomai, xwris na qelw na ypeiselqw sth qesh h to rolo toy Proedroy ths Epitrophs, oti ekeino sto opoio stoxeyei einai akribws h oloklhrwsh twn ergasiwn ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs entos toy xronodiagrammatos, to opoio exoyn synapofasisei oles oi pteryges ths Boylhs.

DHMADHS: Oxi nwritera, pantws, apo ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia endeijh. Alla, na sas pw kati: Den einai kati to opoio afora thn kybernhsh. Einai mia kaqara koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

DHMADHS: Kai epeidh milhsate xqes gia politikes eyqynes...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den milhsa gia politikes eyqynes.

DHMADHS: Ekfrasate thn apoch sas oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes, gia na akribologoyme.

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

DHMADHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, apo th stigmh poy brisketai se ejelijh mia koinoboyleytikh diadikasia, opws h Ejetastikh Epitroph, h kybernhsh kai eseis proswpika ws Ekproswpos ths, oysiastika prokatalambanete to apotelesma ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

DHMADHS: Dioti, otan brisketai se ejelijh, apo o,ti gnwrizoyme, mia tetoia qesmikh diadikasia, eite ayth einai sth Dikaiosynh, eite stoys koinoboyleytikoys qesmoys, den prepei na perimenete to apotelesma;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den moy prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes kai menw se ayto. Nomizw oti to qema exei ejantlhqei apo xqes. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Egw qelw, feygontas apo tis kataqeseis, gia na mhn sas ferw se dyskolh qesh na tis sxoliasete...

ANTWNAROS: Kamia dyskolia, sas diabebaiw. Aisqanomai poly aneta mazi sas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To jerw. Na moy peite, omws, pws blepei h kybernhsh ws fainomeno, otan akoyme oti yparxei monasthri, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh h Monh Batopaidioy, h opoia exei leei 90.000.000 eyrw, exei apo edw kai apo ekei kataqeseis. Ayta kataqetoyn, sas einai kai gnwsta, stelexh toy (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw panta ola ta pragmata poy moy einai gnwsta.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Den qelw na moy ta sxoliasete. Den sas anhsyxei ws kybernhsh, epishma dhmokratika eklegmenh kybernhsh ston topo, otan blepete ena monasthri na exei tetoies drasthriothtes; Den jefeygei ligo apo th logikh kai apo ayta poy qa perimename apo mia monh;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na asxolhqw me thn oysia toy qematos.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh exei perasei peripoy mia ebdomada apo tote poy egine gnwsth h synanthsh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy me ton epixeirhmatia Papista, telika tis apanthseis poy qelate tis labate ws kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Tis perimenw akoma. Oso kai an apofeygei o k. Papakwnstantinoy den qa mporesei na apostrecei to endiaferon kai thn prosoxh apo kati para poly aplo: Oti exei pesei se antifaseis, oi opoies ejakoloyqoyn na yparxoyn sto trapezi. Legontas oti ayto einai ena proswpiko toy qema, bebaiws, den peiqei kanenan. Me th siwph den dinei apanthseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa elega oti h erwthsh moy einai eylogh synexeia ths apanthsews sas. Epeidh akoygontai stis tajeis twn boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toy PASOK gia to poia proswpa qa proselqoyn na kataqesoyn sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, akoygetai epimonws to teleytaio diasthma kai to onoma toy k. Aggeloy, toy dieyqynth toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Syzhteitai gia thn wra. Qa dexqei h kybernhsh, se periptwsh poy klhqei, na kataqesei o k. Aggeloy sthn Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetika erwthmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se periptwsh, gia ton k. Papakwnstantinoy analoga; Gi` ayto eipa oti einai synexeia ths erwthsews moy.

ANTWNAROS: Kai ayto ypoqetiko erwthma einai. Den allazei kati.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den prepei na klhqoyn, dhladh, proswpa ta opoia exoyn emplakei, me ton enan h ton allo tropo, kalws h kakws;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa - -kai to janalew gia mia akomh fora- - oti to poioys kalei h Epitroph, afora th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs. Ean kapoioi krinoyn oti qeloyn na kalesoyn polla atoma, poy den sxetizontai me thn ypoqesh, kaneis den mporei na toys apotrecei. Kai opws sas eipa, h Nea Dhmokratia, h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, thn opoia ekproswpei h kybernhsh, exei synainesei se ayto. Alla, prepei na gnwrizoyn oloi kai na katalabainoyn oloi giati kapoioi prospaqoyn na epimhkynoyn ton katalogo twn martyrwn. Kai ayto einai profanes: Gia na kerdisoyn xrono, na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis, endexomenws na eytelisoyn th leitoyrgia ths Epitrophs. Ayto, allwste, fanhke kai me orismenoys martyres, perierghs proeleyshs, toys opoioys kalesan.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Gnwrizete k. Ekproswpe, ean sth xqesinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Xristofia syzhthqhke kai to qema ths Monhs Batopaidioy, dedomenoy oti o monaxos Efraim einai adelfos toy k. Koytsoy, poy einai arxhgos kommatos sthn Kypro;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh hmoyn parwn, sas diabebaiw oti den syzhthqhke.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno meiwshs toy F.P.A., opws toylaxiston to zhtoyn koryfaia stelexh kai koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs, metajy allwn o k. Soyflias kai h k. Mpakogiannh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa eipa xqes kai proxqes gia tis prwtoboylies poy lambanontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto exei na kanei me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph h exei na kanei me thn dynatothta ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se kati tetoio me thn egkrish ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs.

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti qa gnwrizete to plaisio twn prwtoboyliwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs. Den exw na prosqesw kati gia ayto to qema. Allwste, exei topoqethqei kai o Prwqypoyrgos.

DHMADHS: Den prepei h kybernhsh na prosarmostei an mh ti allo sto eyrwpaiko kekthmeno poy ayth th stigmh deixnei oti yparxei mia tash meiwshs toy F.P.A.; Den to ejetazei toylaxiston ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai poy blepete thn tash meiwshs toy F.P.A.

DHMADHS: Sthn periptwsh ths Bretanias kai sthn periptwsh protrophs toy Mparozo pros ta krath  melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs na meiwsoyn to F.P.A. ... (den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS : Katarxas, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h meiwsh apo mia xwra den dhmioyrgei tash.

DHMADHS: To skeptiko tashs poy yparxei.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, den exw na prosqesw kati se ayto to qema.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sysswmh h antipoliteysh, alla kai h koinh gnwmh xarakthrizei thn ypoqesh twn antallagwn ``skandalo''. Peran twn politikwn kai poinikwn eyqynwn poy diereyna h Ejetastikh Epitroph, h kybernhsh apodexetai oti prokeitai peri skandaloy, oti yparxei skandalo sto qema twn antallagwn;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei labei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies sto qema twn antallagwn, oi opoies einai gnwstes se oloys.

STAQOPOYLOS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia ta osa eipe xqes o k. Pagkalos. Oysiastika eipe oti yparxoyn diaxronikes eyqynes kai gia ta dyo kommata gia to qema toy Batopaidioy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den sxoliazw topoqethseis boyleytwn kai den qa to kanw bebaiws kai gia toys boyleytes toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ZORMPA: Qelw na epistrecw sto qema twn politikwn eyqynwn kai na rwthsw: Poia anagkh ypagoreyei sthn kybernhsh na topoqeteitai gia thn anyparjia politikwn eyqynwn, prin oloklhrwqoyn oi diadikasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei. Den exw na pw kati allo se ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se ena allo qema poy den fainetai na ejantleitai, kaqoti shmera o k. Poypakhs milhse gia ta golden boys katonomazontas ton k. Arapogloy, ton k. Aqanasopoylo kai diaforoys alloys dioikhtes DEKO, managers kai alloys, golden boys opws eipe kai platinenioys boys, den mporei na ginei politikh. Dhladh, me alla logia, sthn oysia zhthse kai th dynatothta na mporesei h kybernhsh na meiwsei thn akribeia kai telos pantwn na paei se mia allh politikh, as to poyme, oxi paroxwn, alla enisxysh twn oikonomika asqenesterwn. Ti exei na pei h kybernhsh gia ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: To syndikalistiko kinhma ekfrazetai eleyqera sth xwra mas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla zhtaei kiolas.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh antapokrinetai se aithmata ta opoia exoyn logikh bash.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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