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Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-02-20

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 20 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 187201957

Ekdosh 1

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 20 Febroyarioy 2009

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw, giati proidease o Prwqypoyrgos oti qa synanthsei meta to Symboylio Koryfhs, thn 1h Martioy, toys politikoys arxhgoys, afoy etsi kai alliws toy arnoyntai, toylaxiston se epipedo rhtorikhs, th synainesh.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia sygkekrimenh protash, thn opoia diatypwse shmera sth Boylh, pros toys arxhgoys olwn twn kommatwn. Ep` aytoy, den exw na pw kati. Deixnei, omws, kai ayth h prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe o Prwqypoyrgos, oti h kybernhsh qelei na akoysei oloys osoi exoyn na kataqesoyn oysiastikes, pragmatikes, realistikes, apodotikes protaseis gia ton topo. Ayto den einai fysiko; O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia analysh oloy aytoy toy qematos gia na katalhjei sth sygkekrimenh protash, thn opoia diatypwse shmera sth Boylh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na exei pragmatiko periexomeno ayth h prwtoboylia, qa prepei taytoxrona na ekkaqaristei kai o politikos orizontas. Dhladh, eite o Prwqypoyrgos na jekaqarisei oti den einai stis proqeseis toy na paei gia ekloges, wste kai h antipoliteysh na mhn ypociazetai eklogiko aifnidiasmo, giati tote den qa prosferei synainesh -einai fanero- eite na pei oti qa pame gia ekloges tote. Na gnwrizei, dhladh, kai h antipoliteysh tis proqeseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei topoqethqei me jekaqaro tropo. Topoqethqhke me jekaqaro tropo kai shmera. Orismenoi den qeloyn na akoysoyn h kanoyn oti den akoyne. Ti eipe epi lejei o Prwqypoyrgos; H xwra exei kybernhsh, exei eklegmenh kybernhsh, exei ypeyqynh politika kybernhsh. Ayta einai jekaqara pragmata. Mh mplekoyme, loipon, sto idio qema ths eklogologias.

Kapoioi -to eipa xqes, to lew kai shmera- pasxoyn, profanws, apo syndromo eklogikhs anypomonhsias. Jerw oti o oros einai adokimos. Alla etsi to ermhneyw egw. Emeis, se ayth th syzhthsh den prokeitai na mpoyme. Bazoyme teleia kai payla. H xwra den exei anagkh kamia tetoia syzhthsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh, egw den katalabainw to ejhs: H kybernhsh sas efere th xwra edw poy thn exei ferei, se ayth thn oikonomikh katastash, me th dieqnh sygkyria en pash periptwsei, h opoia einai ayth poy einai. Twra eseis caxnete gia synypeyqynoys; Giati o Prwqypoyrgos kalei twra toys politikoys arxhgoys; Twra toys qymhqhkate;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh yperhfaneyetai gi` ayta ta opoia exei kanei gia th xwra. Parelabe th xwra me anergia 11,3% kai meiwse thn anergia se pososto konta sto 8%. Parelabe th xwra me elleimma 7,5% apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK -stis opoies o shmerinos arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs htan melos adiamartyrhta- kai to meiwse se pososto kati panw apo to tria tois ekato. Exei kanei, loipon, sygkekrimena pragmata kai oi polites to jeroyn. Gi` ayto allwste ths edwsan kai thn entolh na kybernhsei jana th xwra, to Septembrio toy 2007.

Edw krinontai oloi. Edw krinetai poios leei ``nai'' kai poios leei ``oxi''. Poios xrhsimopoiei th dhqen proqymia toy gia na epikaleitai th synainesh. Erxetai na kataqesei protaseis; De nomizw. Bebaiws, eseis -den to lew kaqoloy eirwnika ayto- den eiste epifortismenoi apo kanenan apolytws na apanthsete. Ta kommata qa topoqethqoyn. Kai exoyn thn eyqynh na apanthsoyn ypeyqyna kai na topoqethqoyn ypeyqyna.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Mporw na sas rwthsw kati; O k. Almoynia proteine mia seira apo 10 metra, ta opoia einai epwdyna fysika gia toys polites. Zhtate, me alla logia, na erqoyn ta kommata kai na sas poyn, kala qa kanete giati qa parete ayta ta metra...

ANTWNAROS: Den milhsa egw gia metra.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ean den ta parete, qa exete problhma me thn KOMISION.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka gia ola ayta ta qemata me adiamfisbhthth safhneia. H kybernhsh exei sxedio, exei programma, oysiastiko kai apotelesmatiko. Exei thn pepoiqhsh oti me thn efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos, qa epiteyxqoyn oi stoxoi, toys opoioys h idia exei qesei. Qa kanete to erwthma: Giati tote h prosklhsh pros ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs; Ma, oi idioi den qeloyn to dialogo; Emeis -to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos shmera- den qewroyme oti exoyme to alaqhto h oti jeroyme oles tis lyseis se ola ta problhmata.

Kaleitai, loipon, o kaqe arxhgos na proselqei se dialogo me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den einai piqanon na exoyn o enas h o allos kapoia protash poy qa einai xrhsimh gia ton topo; Emeis eyelpistoyme -gi` ayto allwste kai toys proskaloyme- oti qa antapokriqoyn, opws prepei na antapokrinetai kapoios mesa sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy dhmokratikoy politeymatos.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Afoy sas exoyn zhthsei kai gia alla qemata, kyrie Ekproswpe, dialogo kai den exete kanei...

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme kanei dialogo gia polla qemata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: ... Kai to qymosaste twra.

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw ti qelete na peite. Profanws, kanete sxoliasmo. H aiqoysa den endeiknytai gia sxoliasmo. Sthn aiqoysa ayth ginontai erwthseis kai dinontai apanthseis.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhmosiografos eimai. To sxolio anhkei se mena...

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. Alla sto Meso to opoio ekproswpeite.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eyxaristw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Para thn prospaqeia poy kanete eseis apo ayto to bhma na jorkisete th diadoxologia, yparxoyn orismenes kinhseis, orismena shmeia ston orizonta. Gia paradeigma, idryqhke molis prosfata enas omilos problhmatismoy me ekproswpoys apo thn politikh genia toy `74. Ayto den entassetai sth diadoxologia poy exei anaptyxqei sth Nea Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Oi Ellhnes polites analambanoyn synexws prwtoboylies. Ayto einai ajiepaino.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Se o,ti afora to qema ths tromokratias, xqes ola ta jena Mazika Mesa Enhmerwshs to ``epaizan'', asxolhqhkan me ta teleytaia gegonota ta opoia symbainoyn sthn Ellada. Eseis ayto poy kanate einai mono na epiteqeite enantion toy k. Xrysoxoidh, o opoios eipe ayto poy eipe, ekane ena sxolio. Sygnwmh, apo olh ayth thn istoria poy ginetai, eseis mono na epirriptete eyqynes se ena stelexos toy PASOK h en pash periptwsei sta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, giati qeloyn dhqen na to ekmetalleytoyn; Mono ayto to sxolio exete na kanete;

ANTWNAROS: Egw eperrica eyqynes se kapoio sygkekrimeno proswpo;

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eipate ena poly wraio xqes.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eperrica eyqynes se kapoio sygkekrimeno proswpo; Profanws ``opoios exei th myga, mygiazetai'', kata pws leei o laos mas. Milhsa genika.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Eixe milhsei o k. Xrysoxoidhs, o monadikos poy eixe milhsei apo to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti koryfaia stelexh toy PASOK, to teleytaio diasthma, kai qa gyrisw kai ligo sto prosfato parelqon, exoyn anaptyjei mia tash na eleeinologoyn kai na xrhsimopoioyn barytates ekfraseis, enantion toy idioy toy topoy mas. Kai to kanoyn ayto pisteyw -kai dinw ayth thn ermhneia, sas to eipa kai xqes- profanws, dioti etsi kontofqalma pisteyoyn oti qa apokomisoyn mikrokommatika ofelh. Egw ayto to qewrw katadikasteo. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai oti, bebaiws, yparxei sygkekrimeno qema, xreiazetai h systrateysh olwn, h prospaqeia olwn. Alla, ayta jerete ta qemata den lynontai me krayges, den lynontai me genikologoys aforismoys. Lynontai me sygkekrimenes prospaqeies, me organwmenh doyleia. Kai eimai bebaios oti h megalh pleiochfia twn politwn ths xwras empisteyontai tis Arxes kai oxi bebaiws th mikrokommatikh kindynologia thn opoian ekpempoyn o k. Papandreoy kai melh ths hgetikhs toy omadas.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den einai ligo antifatiko otan kathgoreite enan politiko arxhgo edw kai 4-5 hmeres gia akrato laikismo, gia adistakth paroxologia, gia aneyqynothta ktl, na qewreite af` hs stigmhs exei protaseis h exei zhthsei dialogo, qa proselqei na milhsei me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

ANTWNAROS: Oi apofaseis aforoyn ekeinoys stoys opoioys apeyqynontai oi prosklhseis.

MELIGKWNHS: H prosklhsh den apeyqynetai ston k. Papandreoy;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati allo.

PARTALIDHS: Thn erwthsh ayth hqela na thn ypobalw xqes. Aforoyse sto giati den askei h kybernhsh piesh stis trapezes na dwsoyn polla xrhmata sthn agora gia na kinhqei. Alla otan eida tis anakoinwseis to meshmeri hqela na sas rwthsw: An ayth h piesh h o tropos poy nomoqetei twra o k. Papaqanasioy den apodwsei, skeftetai h kybernhsh na efarmosei mia syntagh poy thn synistoyn shmera oi eidikoi kai hdh einai sthn prajh sthn Amerikh kai sth Germania, na kratikopoihsei mia trapeza, wste na dwsei fthno xrhma; Giati oi shmerines trapezes, oi idiwtikes trapezes, foboyntai tis episfaleies poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn enocei an yparjei h anergia, an yparjei krish megalyterh sthn oikonomia.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh pera apo ta metra ta opoia exei labei pairnei kai symplhrwmatika metra -opws swsta anaferate anakoinwqhkan xqes-prokeimenoy oi elegxoi na apodidoyn. Kai ta metra ta opoia exoyn lhfqei na apodwsoyn ta sygkekrimena apotelesmata gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites kai fysika stis ellhnikes epixeirhseis.

Opws blepete oi prwtoboylies, oi opoies anelhfqhsan kai eginan gnwstes xqes apo ton armodio Ypoyrgo Oikonomias, ton k. Papaqanasioy, katateinoyn pros ta ekei. Kai epibebaiwnoyn ayto poy exw pei tis teleytaies hmeres kai to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos prin apo mena kai merikoi to qewrhsan asynhqes, periergo, espeysan na cajoyn na broyn ti krybetai pisw apo ayto. Ginontai oi anagkaies prosarmoges. Opws ginontai oi anagkaies prosarmoges, otan xreiazetai, kaqe fora poy xreiazetai, se olo ton kosmo ayth th stigmh.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa moy epitrecete na symplhrwsw. O fobos twn trapezwn, jerete, einai ayto poy sas eipa gia thn apofygh mh dhmioyrgias episfaleiwn. Kai se syzhthseis poy ginontai kai sta ``paraqyra'' kai stis efhmerides einai ``epiteloys'' leei h Ellhnikh Enwsh Trapezwn ``ti qelei h kybernhsh apo emas, apo tis trapezes'';

ANTWNAROS: Syzhthsh gia to trapeziko systhma, den exw proqesh na kanw.

PARTALIDHS: Oxi, k. Ekproswpe. Teleiwnw amesws. Mhpws, dhladh, den einai safes oti h eggyhsh twn 23 dis. sthrizei akribws kai to kommati poy legontai ``episfaleies poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn apo astoxes -as to pw etsi entos eisagwgikwn- xrhmatodothseis;

ANTWNAROS: To ti perilambanei to synoliko sxedio -kai den einai 23 dis ayto, einai 15 dis- den qa to syzhthsw. Ayta einai eidika qemata, ta opoia den einai ths dikhs moy armodiothtas kai den einai kai twn dikwn moy gnwsewn. Den exw kamia epifylajh na sas to pw. Ekeino to opoio exei shmasia einai na apodwsei to sxedio gia thn ejasfalish reystothtas sthn oikonomia. Kai pros ta ekei katateinoyn oles oi prospaqeies kai oles oi prwtoboylies tis opoies analambanoyme.

MELIGKWNHS: Shmera diabazoyme ston Typo tis plhrofories poy qeloyn thn Toyrkia na sxediazei mia askhsh ws th mesh toy Aigaioy qewrwntas polla nhsia apostratiwtikopoihmena kai malista exontas kalesei tesseris xwres na symmetasxoyn se ayth thn askhsh. Poso anhsyxei h kybernhsh apo ayth thn prwtoboylia;

ANTWNAROS: Apo thn pleyra ths Elladas ginontai oles oi aparaithtes kai endedeigmenes energeies gia ayth thn askhsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh ti; Mporeite na mas peite;

ANTWNAROS: Peran oswn sas eipa, gia logoys poy pisteyw oti antilambaneste, den exw na prosqesw kati.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ginontai diabhmata, den ginontai diabhmata, ginontai oi parastaseis, ti ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati. O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa gia to qema ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.


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