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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-02-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 2 Febroyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 249472147

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

O ellhnikos laos edwse safh entolh na proxwrhsei to PASOK se oles tis diarqrwtikes allages stis domes ths oikonomias kai toy kratoys kai sygxronws na sthrijoyme thn pragmatikh oikonomia, na qerapeysoyme thn plhgwmenh ajiopistia ths xwras apenanti stoys etairoys mas, na apokatasthsoyme thn empistosynh twn politwn pros to politiko systhma, na feroyme elpida kai aisiodojia stoys Ellhnes polites.

Shmera, omws, briskomaste ws xwra se mia poly dyskolh qesh. Eimaste omhroi kerdoskopikwn paixnidiwn poy plhttoyn amesa thn Ellada kai emmesa thn eyrwzwnh kai to eyrw. Briskomaste ekqetoi apenanti stoys Eyrwpaioys etairoys mas kai ena bhma prin thn oristikh apofash gia sklhrh epithrhsh.

Oloi gnwrizoyme oti gia th shmerinh katastash yparxoyn sygkekrimenes eyqynes se politikes toy parelqontos poy apedeixqhsan katastrofikes gia th xwra. Xqes, malista, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy apesteile ston Proedro ths Boylhs, to porisma ths eidikhs anejarthths epitrophs poy systhqhke amesa, me stoxo thn analytikh katagrafh twn problhmatwn twn dhmosionomikwn statistikwn, prokeimenoy na syzhthqei sthn epitroph oikonomikwn ypoqesewn ths Boylhs.

Sto polyselido ayto porisma, poy einai anarthmeno sthn istoselida toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, metajy allwn, apodidontai eyqynes gia tis praktikes poy xrhsimopoihqhkan ta teleytaia xronia sthn paragwgh kai dhmosiopoihsh twn statistikwn stoixeiwn.

Einai safes oti ayth h kybernhsh, alla kai o laos, plhrwnei poly akriba tis praktikes twn prokatoxwn ths. Den stekomaste, omws, se ayto, den analwnomaste se katalogismo eyqynwn, giati oi eyqynes einai poly sygkekrimenes. Den caxnoyme alloqi. Emeis se ayto ton agwna, qa synexisoyme to ergo mas kai qa prajoyme o,ti xreiazetai gia na bgei h xwra -gia na jeperasei ta adiejoda- apo thn krish kai na odhghsoyme thn Ellada sto dromo ths staqerothtas kai ths anaptyjhs.

Xreiazetai, omws, koinh prospaqeia, xreiazetai eqnikh prospaqeia. Gi ayto, xqes o Prwqypoyrgos k. Giwrgos Papandreoy, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, kalese oloys se koinh systrateysh, kyriws de tis politikes dynameis ths xwras kai toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, me toys opoioys kai qa synanthqei shmera to apogeyma. Oi wres twn mikrokommatikwn proseggisewn kai skopimothtwn exoyn parelqei pro polloy. Einai wres eyqynhs gia tis prajeis kai tis paraleiceis mas, gia tis opoies krinomaste oloi. H synainesh kai h symporeysh, sto shmeio poy exoyme fqasei, einai monodromos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate, kyrie Ekproswpe, gia to porisma ths epitrophs. Ean kai efoson prokycoyn eyqynes kai poinikes eyqynes, giati den mporei kapoios poy parapoiei stoixeia kai ekqetei th xwra, na einai mono se politiko baqmo, pisteyw, proteinete eseis kai systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs;

PETALWTHS: Ean prokycoyn eyqynes se politiko kai poiniko epipedo, qa prepei na apodoqoyn, giati kaneis kai kyriws oi yphretes toy dhmosioy symferontos, den einai yperanw toy nomoy. Ayto, omws, qa kriqei apo th Boylh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ti ennoeite, qa kriqei apo th Boylh; Exete to porisma eseis, ws kybernhsh. Den blepete oti yparxoyn eyqynes sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, se ypoyrgoys, se politikes hgesies kai paei legontas, se kratikoys ajiwmatoyxoys, gia na proteinete, na exete apoch ayth thn wra, na proteinete Ejetastikh Epitroph;

PETALWTHS: Emeis symmetexoyme kai sthn epitroph oikonomikwn ths Boylhs. Kai safws, qa paroyme qesh ekei.

BITALHS: Epeidh milhsate gia synainesh kai systrateysh gia mia koinh politikh gia na antimetwpistei to problhma sthn oikonomia, qelw na sas rwthsw, an yparxei koinh systrateysh kat` arxhn sta stelexh ths kybernhshs gia thn oikonomikh politikh kai sas lew apla to paradeigma  gia na jekaqarisoyme- diabazw shmera se dyo, treis, tesseris efhmerides, diglwssia kybernhtikwn paragontwn gia to qema ths politikhs enanti twn trapezwn. Kai bazoyn apo th mia ta osa exei pei h k. Katselh kai apo thn allh mia antapanthsh kybernhtikwn kyklwn. Yparxei telika symporeysh kai synainesh sto qema toy ti qa ginei me tis trapezes;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws, oi apoceis twn kybernhtikwn kyklwn den einai sygkekrimenes. Kai poioi einai aytoi oi kybernhtikoi kykloi; H k. Katselh malista ejedwse kai sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh gi` ayta ta dhmosieymata, opoy aitiologei plhrws tis qeseis kai tis apoceis ths. Yparxei koinh stash, yparxei koinh grammh sthn kybernhsh gia to megalo oikonomiko problhma poy antimetwpizoyme shmera. Kai en pash periptwsei, ayta ta legame kai prin apo tis ekloges, ta leme kai meta. Den yparxei diaforetikh stash. Ayto einai dedomeno.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos kalei toys politikoys arxhgoys. Qa toys anakoinwsei sygkekrimena metra ta opoia protiqetai na labei; Giati, an einai na toys pei oti h katastash ths oikonomias einai xalia, ayto oloi to jeroyn. Ti nohma qa exei;

PETALWTHS: Rwtate, an qa anakoinwsei sygkekrimena metra stoys politikoys arxhgoys;

SIDERHS: Nai.

PETALWTHS: H synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys arxhgoys einai para poly shmantikh. Meta qa yparjei kai anakoinwsh, opote to ti eipwqhke ekei, qa anakoinwqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi poias sygkekrimenhs bashs zhtaei synainesh;

PETALWTHS: H bash einai mia: Synainesh gia ta megala zhthmata poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh oikonomia, kyriws shmera.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epi poiwn metrwn; Oloi symfwnoyn, oi perissoteroi telos pantwn oti einai (den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: To Programma Staqerothtas einai hdh katateqeimeno, einai gnwsto. Mesa se ayto to Programma Staqerothtas perigrafetai olo to sxedio, perigrafetai h strathgikh. Ayto poy bebaia apomenei na deijoyme kai na apodeijoyme, einai oti ayto to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs, qa ylopoihqei. Kai ekei xreiazetai pragmatika h synainesh olwn, olhs ths koinwnias kai bebaiws twn politikwn kommatwn kai twn arxhgwn. Ayth einai h bash ths syzhthshs.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Samaras hdh exei prosferei synainesh sthn kybernhsh gia thn epibolh epwdynwn metrwn. H synanthsh einai gia na dexqoyn ola ta kommata thn epibolh epwdynwn metrwn;

PETALWTHS: H epibolh epwdynwn metrwn den einai mesa sta sxedia ths kybernhshs. Emeis eipame, oyte hpia, oyte sklhra metra. Pairnoyme apofaseis dikaies, gia na anataxqei h ellhnikh oikonomia. Prostateyoyme oso mporoyme, me tis shmerines synqhkes, toys xamhloys kai mesaioys se eisodhmata polites kai den milame gia epwdyna metra. Ayto einai dedomeno. Oyte kan bebaiws zhtame synainesh gia epwdyna metra.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei anaferei xarakthristika ayth th frash ``epwdyna metra'', se polles omilies toy.

PETALWTHS: Epwdyna metra, ypo thn ennoia ayth poy leei polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos oti qa xreiastei na ``matwsoyme''. Alla, den einai epwdyna metra pros mia sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh. Sigoyra, briskomaste se mia katastash, h opoia safws kai den einai eyxaristh. Briskomaste se ena xroniko shmeio, opoy anagkazomaste na pairnoyme apofaseis poy den qa qelame na tis paroyme, alla tis pairnoyme me ton pio dikaio tropoy poy epitrepoyn oi shmerines synqhkes.

BLABIANOS: Synainesh, kata thn aisqhsh moy, shmainei taytoxrona oti kanw kai ena bhma pisw. Eiste etoimoi san kybernhsh na dexqeite protaseis allwn politikwn kommatwn, an qewrhsete oti einai swstes;

PETALWTHS: Sto qema ths oikonomias ennoeite;

BLABIANOS: Nai.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Synainesh shmainei kai apo tis dyo pleyres. Emeis, ektos apo th synainesh poy qeloyme na yparxei, milame kai gia eqnikh synennohsh. Efoson yparjoyn protaseis, oi opoies pisteyoyme oti mporoyn na enswmatwqoyn sto Programma Staqerothtas kai mporoyn pragmatika na mas bgaloyn ap` ayth thn krish poy pername, safws kai mporei na enswmatwqoyn. Arkei, bebaiws, na einai sth grammh thn opoia emeis exoyme xarajei, sthn taktikh kai th strathgikh mas kai mesa sto plaisio to opoio exoyme prodiagracei, ws kybernhsh, ennoeitai.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Eipe shmera to prwi o Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy sto synedrio toy ECONOMIST, oti oi Ellhnes einai etoimoi na syneisferoyn kai na symmetasxoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia poy exei jekinhsei. Mporeite na mas peite apo poy prokyptei ayth h apoch poy ejefrase o Prwqypoyrgos, dedomenoy oti exoyme treis ebdomades agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn, to Febroyario polles koinwnikes kathgories proxwroyn se apergies; Poy blepei o Prwqypoyrgos oti oi Ellhnes einai etoimoi na syneisferoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia poy jekinaei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai koinh pepoiqhsh olwn mas, oswn politeyomaste, oswn periodeyoyme, oswn erxomaste se epafh me toys Ellhnes polites kai to exoyme pei para polles fores oti isws gia prwth fora, o ellhnikos laos kai h ellhnikh koinwnia einai toso wrimh. Exei antilhfqei to megeqos ths krishs poy pernaei h xwra mas kai pragmatika, akomh kai me ta poly stena oikonomika ths kaqhmerinothtas toy, einai diateqeimenos na syneisferei, na dwsei anoxh, na epideijei synainesh. Kai ayto to eisprattoyme oloi. Emeis gnwrizoyme oti o ellhnikos laos einai wrimos. Perimenoyme na doyme kai tis politikes dynameis, kata poso einai wrimes na syneisferoyn se ayto ton eqniko koinwniko dialogo kai thn eqnikh synainesh, h opoia einai aparaithth.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, ektos apo th synainesh poy zhthse apo ta kommata, th zhthse kai apo ton ellhniko lao. Se ekeinon qa apeyqynqei;

PETALWTHS: Emeis apeyqynomaste ston ellhniko lao apo thn prwth stigmh poy analabame th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Akomh kai shmera kai blepontas th synanthsh me toys politikoys arxhgoys, oysiastika einai kai mia protash kai mia prosklhsh pros ton ellhniko lao, o opoios ekproswpeitai apo oles tis politikes dynameis poy qa erqoyn se synanthsh sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio. Alla safws qa yparxei kai meta kapoia dhlwsh, h opoia qa apeyqynetai kai ston ellhniko lao. Ayto einai safes.

BLABIANOS: Ayto hqela na rwthsw: Qa yparjei diaggelma, dhladh, meta;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei anakoinwsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo.

GIANNISHS: Para tayta kai enw lete oti den yparxei diastash apocewn sthn kybernhsh, yparxoyn polla stelexh sas  oxi ths kybernhshs kai toy Kinhmatos- ta opoia lene oti yparxoyn kaqysterhseis sto kybernhtiko ergo, arryqmies, oti exoyn perasei pente mhnes kai para poly liga pragmata exoyn ginei, to nomoqetiko ergo kaqysterei. Ti apanta h kybernhsh se ayta ta stelexh ta opoia qewroyn oti oligwrei;

PETALWTHS: To exw pei kai alles fores kai to epanalambanw: Ta politika stelexh toy PASOK, akomh kai oi boyleytes, einai anejarthtes kai aytonomes politikes ontothtes, me gnwsh, me logo, sto plaisio bebaia toy kommatos sto opoio briskomaste kai ensternizomaste tis arxes kai tis ajies toy. Alimono ean ta stelexh mas den ejefrazan tis apoceis toys. Emeis tis qeloyme aytes tis apoceis, qeloyme tis diaforetikes proseggiseis. Ws pros tis kaqysterhseis poy anaferate, ennoeitai oti den tis symmerizomaste. Yparxei ena ploysio nomoqetiko ergo. Kai en pash periptwsei mias kai milame, ayth thn wra synedriazei to qesmiko organo sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio. Kai pragmatika ekei prospaqoyme na doyme tis nomoqetikes prwtoboylies poy hdh exoyme jekinhsei kai poy exoyme parei kai tis opoies skopeyoyme na paroyme, pws qa tis xwresoyme mexri ton Ioynio, mexri to kalokairi, poy synedriazei h Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Yparxei ploysio ergo, to opoio kai exei paraxqei mesa se aytoys toys tesseris, peripoy, mhnes ths diakybernhshs, alla kai poly perissotero na paraxqei, giati twra einai monon h arxh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh syzhtame epi toy Programmatos Staqerothtas: O Almoynia, akoysa, kai genikotera oi Bryjelles, lene oti ean to skelos twn esodwn den paei opws to problepei to Programma Staqerothtas, qa prepei h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se perissoteres perikopes sto skelos twn dapanwn. Einai apofasismenh h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei se peraiterw periorismo, perikoph twn dapanwn, k. Ekproswpe, wste na ylopoihqei to Programma Staqerothtas opws prepei na ylopoihqei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na jekaqarisoyme oti hdh yparxoyn qetikes anafores gia to Programma Staqerothtas. Hdh, toso o k. Almoynia, oso kai h k. Tores poy einai ekproswpos Typoy toy epitropoy, exoyn dhlwsei oti prokeitai gia ena programma to opoio einai efikto kai ylopoihsimo. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws to exoyme pei kai emeis polles fores oti, ean xreiastei, qa paroyme kai symplhrwmatika metra. Ayto einai dedomeno. Alla eimaste sigoyroi oti ayto to Programma Staqerothtas, arkei, etsi opws perigrafetai. Exei mesa kai tis enallaktikes lyseis kai bebaiws to zhthma einai na mporesoyme na to ylopoihsoyme. Ean mporesoyme na to ylopoihsoyme  kai emeis eimaste sigoyroi oti qa ginei ayto- den yparxei kanena problhma.

POLYMEROS: Apokleietai na yparxei ena ``sxedio B'' sthn kybernhsh; Dhladh, den exete ena sxedio enallaktiko gia na mporesete na antimetwpisete piqanh anatroph toy sygkekrimenoy sxedioy Programmatos kai Staqerothtas;

PETALWTHS: Den xreiazetai ``sxedio B'', den yparxei, den xreiazetai enallaktiko sxedio. To Programma Staqerothtas einai apo mono toy ena leptomeres sxedio, enas leptomerhs odikos xarths gia ejodo apo thn krish, akomh kai me enallaktikes lyseis.

MPOTWNHS: O Prwqypoyrgos periegrace me tragiko tropo thn katastash sthn oikonomia. Malista, anaferomenos stoys agrotes eipe oti den antexei h xwra alla mploka, toys kalese na aposyrqoyn kai na erqoyn se dialogo. Omws, oi agrotes, poy akoysa kai shmera to prwi, lene oti exoyn ejapathqei apo thn kybernhsh. Kai xrhmata yparxoyn kai mporoyn na dwsoyn  toylaxiston na kalyfqei ena meros apo th zhmia poy exoyn paqei- gia na mporoyn na gyrisoyn pisw sta xwrafia toys. Na mhn einai ``htthmenoi'', opws eipan, apo ayth th diadikasia. O dialogos, fainetai, einai se adiejodo. Ta mploka den ta antexei h xwra. Ti qa kanete kai an telika yparxoyn xrhmata h den yparxoyn.

PETALWTHS: Emeis eimaste jekaqaroi apo thn arxh: ``Mpalwmata'' kai proskaires epidomatikes politikes, oi opoies malista mas afhnoyn kai ekqetoys sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, den prokeitai na metaxeiristoyme. Mono me baqies rizikes allages kai apofaseis sto megalo agrotiko zhthma poreyomaste. Ayth htan h apoch mas apo thn arxh kai me bash ayth qa poreytoyme.

Sto zhthma twn kinhtopoihsewn, opoies kinhtopoihseis ginontai kai apo opoies omades agrotwn, den yparxoyn nikhtes kai htthmenoi. Emeis, gia allh mia fora, kaloyme toys agrotes poy briskontai stis kinhtopoihseis, sta mploka kai kleinoyn ta synora ths xwras mas, me apotelesma na ekteiqemeqa stis geitonikes xwres kai na kindyneyoyme na kataballoyme apozhmiwseis poly megaloy ycoys se ayth th xronikh sygkyria, na gyrisoyn stis doyleies toys, na gyrisoyn sta xwrafia toys. Emeis hdh exoyme frontisei, se anypopto xrono, na paroyme mia seira apo eyergetika metra gia toys Ellhnes agrotes. Kai bebaiws, to sxedio mas einai poly pio megalhs diarkeias kai me baqos xronoy apo edw kai pera. Eimaste etoimoi gia dialogo, toys kaloyme se dialogo kai as mhn jexname oti ayth th stigmh poy enhmerwnomaste edw, yparxei se ejelijh dialogos ths syntonistikhs epitrophs twn agrotwn me thn armodia ypoyrgo k. Mpatzelh. Kai elpizoyme oti kapote qa antilhfqoyn oi agrotes oti to mellon toys einai apo edw kai pera me synapofash, mazi me thn kybernhsh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mia merida agrotwn stelnei epistolh pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos se aytoys toys agrotes;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ti epistolh einai ayth. Ayto poy kanoyme emeis ws kybernhsh einai na syzhtame me toys agrotes, na toys kaloyme se dialogo. Yparxei h armodia ypoyrgos k. Mpatzelh, h opoia ergazetai poly sklhra kai o k. Karximakhs, apo thn prwth stigmh poy anelaban to armodio ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Ayta ta problhmata twn agrotwn den ta anakalycame shmera. Ta gnwrizame prin tis ekloges, eixame sxedio, exoyme strathgikh. Den yparxei allh kybernhsh poy na zhta dialogo kai malista se staqerh kai sobarh bash, apo ayth thn kybernhsh toy PASOK poy exoyme shmera.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes breqhke sthn Kypro, sto plaisio twn diaboyleysewn poy ginetai, o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE k. Mpan Ki Moyn. Opws gnwrizete, episkefqhke kata paradojo kai periergo tropo kai prwtofanh -gia prwth fora sta xronika exei ginei ayto- to legomeno, apokaloymeno ``proedriko'' sta katexomena, gia na synanthqei me ton k. Talat. Eseis ajiologeite oti ayth h energeia toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE einai pros th swsth kateyqynsh; Dieykolynei ayth toy h kinhsh; Kai telos, qa hqela an exete kapoio sxolio apotimhshs ths katalhjhs aytwn twn xqesinwn synomiliwn.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na dhlwsw edw oti hdh exei ekdoqei anakoinwsh apo ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo ths Kyproy k. Stefanoy, sthn opoia sas parapempw kai h opoia bebaiws mas kalyptei. Apo ekei kai pera kai o eidikos apestalmenos toy Genikoy Grammatea k. Ntaoyner exei dhlwsei oti o OHE anagnwrizei mono thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Kai as parameinoyme mexri ekei. Sas parapempw, loipon  kai ayth einai h oristikh moy apanthsh- sthn anakoinwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy ths Kyproy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mias kai mphkame sta eqnika qemata, na to syndyasoyme ligo me thn oikonomia. Eseis pisteyete -me oles aytes tis ejelijeis, tis ejelijeis sthn oikonomia ennow- ws kybernhsh, oti h eqnikh kyriarxia ths xwras einai akeraih h exei blhqei, exei perioristei, meta apo oles aytes tis pieseis;

PETALWTHS: Emeis den mpainoyme kan sth logikh na skefqoyme gia plhgma sthn eqnikh kyriarxia. Kai gi` ayto akribws, gia na mhn mporoyme na skefqoyme kati tetoio, zhtame lyseis, exoyme protaseis, zhtame na symporeyqoyn oloi, prokeimenoy ayth h eqnikh kyriarxia mas, opws eixe pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, na mhn kindyneyei. Einai poly shmantiko, kai gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala, oti mesa se mia oikonomikh krish yparxoyn kai alles synepeies, parapleyres synepeies, gia tis opoies omws emeis ws kybernhsh frontizoyme, etsi wste na mhn yparxoyn. Gi` ayto akribws kai me ta tajidia toy, toso o Prwqypoyrgos kai ws ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, alla kai o k. Droytsas ws anaplhrwths ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, prospaqoyn kai dhmioyrgoyn ekeines tis synqhkes, etsi wste h xwra mas na isxyropoihqei kai pali kai na mhn kindyneyoyme apo thn oikonomikh katastash sthn opoia eixame perielqei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H eikona toy Prwqypoyrgoy na kanei dhlwseis se ena diadromo sto Ntabos kai na ton kynhgaei enas dhmosiografos me mia kamera kai na perigrafei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos ti qa kanei, sto podi, sto orqio, se enan dhmosiografo allofrona, ti qa kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, an qa perikocei dapanes, an qa apolysei kosmo, ayth h eikona parapempei se kratos eqnika kyriarxo k. Ekproswpe; Pws sas fanhke ayto;

PETALWTHS: Egw qa meinw se ayto poy eipate gia ton allofrona dhmosiografo. Den to lew egw, alla nomizw oti oloi eidame aytes tis stigmes. Apo kei kai pera se antidiastolh me ayto poy eipate, na sas dhlwsw, exete hdh enhmerwqei  isws poly prin apo mena, apo ton dieqnh typo  oti h isxys ths Ellados, h opoia exei apokatastaqei, shmera pleon einai adiapragmateyth. Oi dieqneis epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras k. Papandreoy einai ejairetika shmantikes. Einai, kai me thn idiothta toy, toy Proedroy ths Sosialistikhs Dieqnoys, apo toys sobaroys synomilhtes se pagkosmio epipedo, me tis prwtoboylies poy pairnei, tis apoceis tis opoies exei. Kai nomizw oti den qa mporoyse na yparxei kalyterh eikona gia th xwra mas apo enan Prwqypoyrgo opws o Giwrgos Papandreoy. To idio diapistwsame, oxi mono sto Ntabos, alla kai sthn Kopegxagh, opoy briskotan plhqos apostolwn apo oles, sxedon, tis kybernhseis toy kosmoy, opoy o Prwqypoyrgos htan aytos o opoios mporese kai krathse ayth th diaskech se ena epipedo, otan yphrxe megalh piqanothta na apoxwrhsoyn oristika oi anaptyssomenes xwres. Htan aytos, poy htan o syndetikos krikos anamesa stis anaptyssomenes kai anaptygmenes xwres kai krathse, me thn ypostash poy exei ston dieqnh xwro, ayth thn diaskech. Ara, nomizw, oti h eqnikh mas kyriarxia den kindyneyei, efoson, bebaia, yparxei sygkekrimenh kybernhsh poy th diafylassei.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milate gia symporeysh kai synainesh metajy twn politikwn dynamewn kai aytwn poy ekproswpoyn. Wstoso, mallon, kata ta 3/5 einai efikth ayth h synainesh, giati ta kommata ths Aristeras exoyn hdh proejoflhsei me ton enan h me ton allo tropo oti den prokeitai na synainesoyn, oyte se aythn dyskolh kai epwdynh odo poy eseis proteinete, plhn omws dikaia, opws eseis lete. Ti prokeitai na pei shmera o k. Papandreoy peri aytoy: Synainesh den qa yparjei kai me ta 4 kommata ths antipoliteyshs.

PETALWTHS: Ean pame ejarxhs oti den qa yparjei synainesh, den qa yphrxe logos na ginoyn aytes oi synanthseis. Qesmika, o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras exei thn ypoxrewsh na enhmerwsei prwta apo ola toys arxhgoys twn politikwn kommatwn, na zhthsei thn synainesh toys panw se shmantika zhthmata. As perimenoyme na teleiwsoyn aytes oi synanthseis gia na doyme kai to apotelesma.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Se synexeia erwthshs synadelfoy. Lete oti exete thn pleiochfia ths koinwnias, oti einai etoimh na prosferei kai na dexqei ta metra poy h kybernhsh toy PASOK qelei na epibalei. Stis 10 Febroyarioy yparxei megalh apergia twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai mia seira apo swmateia kai syndikata. Oi agrotes einai sto dromo. Exoyn programmatistei kai alles kinhtopoihseis. Ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti ellhnikh koinwnia einai etoimh na dexqei kai alla metra;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa kai prohgoymenws, oti einai isxyrh pepoiqhsh mas, oti h ellhnikh koinwnia einai wrimh. Einai mia koinwnia, h opoia synaisqanetai thn eyqynh. Einai mia koinwnia, h opoia yfistatai oles aytes tis oikonomikes dysxereies, poy exoyn sysswreytei apo ta prohgoymena xronia. Kai einai mia koinwnia, h opoia blepei mprosta kai blepei oti oi lyseis kai oi protaseis kai oi prajeis einai mprosta. Kai bebaiws, ayth h kybernhsh einai poy diasfalizei ayto to perasma apo th krish sthn staqerothta. Ayth einai h pepoiqhsh mas, ayth einai h synaisqhsh poy exoyme, ayth einai h enhmerwsh poy exoyme kai o,ti dialambanoyme me tis syzhthseis poy kanoyme me ton polith. To oti yparxoyn oi agrotikes kinhtopoihseis  tis exoyme analysei kata koron  kai an qa yparjoyn alles kinhtopoihseis, exoyn kai sygkekrimenes aities. Kai en pash periptwsei den mporoyme na milame gia to synolo ths koinwnias, otan ginontai kapoies kinhtopoihseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Aytoi poy antitiqentai sta metra, dhladh, den einai wrimoi;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola den antilambanomai gia poia metra syzhtate, otan yparxei ena Programma Staqerothtas, to opoio den exei ylopoihqei. Qema wrimothtas einai to pws aisqanetai o kaqenas kai pws synaisqanetai. Emeis anagnwrizoyme oti oles oi epaggelmatikes omades, olos o ellhnikos laos exei problhmata, eidika oi polites xamhlwn kai mesaiwn eisodhmatwn. Apo kei kai pera, omws, aytoi akribws oi polites einai poy sthrizoyn thn kybernhsh toy PASOK , einai aytoi poy sthrizoyn th megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyme, giati einai oi prwtoi poy yfistantai to baros apo th megalh oikonomikh krish poy hdh yparxei.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe mia epityxhmenh paroysia, kata genikh omologia, sto Ntabos. Poy ofeiletai, omws, h dramatopoihsh twn tonwn gyrw apo thn katastash ths oikonomias, amesws meta to Ntabos;

PETALWTHS: Den proekyce kati apo to Ntabos, wste na prokycei kai mia tetoia dramatopoihsh twn tonwn apo ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo. Aplws sto Ntabos yphrxan kai dieqneis synanthseis, dieqneis epafes. Gia allh mia fora eidame to klima to opoio yparxei se dieqnes epipedo gia thn xwra mas. Gia allh mia fora syzhthqhkan ta dieqnh, alla kai ta ellhnika oikonomika problhmata. Kai fysika einai o xronos, o opoios qa eprepe teleiwnontas kai me to Programma Staqerothtas, na apeyqynqoyme kai sta politika kommata kai ton ellhniko lao, giati einai o xronos, pleon, ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas. H katastash den einai dramatopoihmenh. H katastash einai poly asxhmh apo monh ths. Ayto prospaqoyme na allajoyme. Emeis eimaste aisiodojoi. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy fernoyme thn elpida ston ellhniko lao kai teinoyme me ayth th strathgikh kai me ayth thn taktikh.

BITALHS: Na rwthsw kati epeidh prospaqoyme na to katalaboyme. O k. Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na anakoinwsei kapoia pragmata, shmera, ayrio, meqayrio, meta th Synodo Koryfhs, ta opoia einai entos toy plaisioy toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas h einai kati epipleon; Dioti ean einai entos toy plaisioy toy Symfwnoy Staqerothtas, ti nohma exei olo ayto to pragma;

PETALWTHS: Eipa kai prohgoymenws oti to Programma Staqerothtas einai sygkekrimeno. Exei mesa kai enallaktikes lyseis. To qema einai apo edw kai pera h ylopoihsh toy. Gia na ylopoihqei ayto to Programma Staqerothtas apaiteitai kata thn apoch mas - kai me th sobarh gnwsh poy exoyme twn problhmatwn  h synainesh kai gia ayto akribws yparxei h prosklhsh se eqnikh synainesh.

BITALHS: Me sygxwreite. Na to paw kapws pio sygkekrimena. Akoyw shmera to prwi oti qa yparjei qema me toys meiktoys misqoys 1600  1800 peripoy eyrw. Ti symbainei me ayth (den akoygetai);

PETALWTHS: Poy qa yparjei qema, dhladh;

BITALHS: Qa yparjei ``pagwma''. An oxi perikoph, pagwma. Ayto isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Kai qa sas apanthsw gia allh mia fora oti o nomos gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh qa erqei syntoma kai qa kaqorizontai oles oi apofaseis, tis opoies qa parei h kybernhsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Pote qa arqei ayto gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh;

PETALWTHS: Mesa sto Febroyario.

TZANETATOS: Qa ejetaze h kybernhsh to endexomeno na dexqei thn enisxysh eite apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh eite apo tis isxyres xwres-melh ths Enwshs, opws th Germania h th Gallia, as poyme;

PETALWTHS: H Ellada einai mia xwra eqnika kyriarxh. H Ellada einai mia xwra poy brisketai, bebaiws, se krish. Alla me thn kybernhsh ayth kai me th strathgikh thn opoia xarassei, alla kai me ta taktika metra poy pairnei kai mesa apo ayto to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs poy exoyme kataqesei sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, eimaste pepeismenoi oti mporoyme na ta bgaloyme pera monoi mas. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei h eyrwpaikh koinotikh allhleggyh. Omws emeis den prokeitai na anatrejoyme se bohqeia apo to ejwteriko. Einai dikh mas h eyqynh na bgoyme apo thn krish. Einai dikh mas h eyqynh na anatajoyme thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Yparxoyn oles oi proypoqeseis gia na ginei kati tetoio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: H proeklogikh sas desmeysh gia ayjhseis panw apo ton plhqwrismo isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws isxyei kai qa ejeidikeytei sthn eisodhmatikh politikh, opws ginetai kaqe xrono, tetoia epoxh.

Sas eyxaristw.


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