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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-06-08

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 8 Ioynioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 271889815

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 8 Ioynioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Einai gnwsto se oloys pws to kratos sthn Ellada yphrje o megalos asqenhs. Oi xronies paqogeneies kai oi agkylwseis dekaetiwn kaqistoysan to kratos exqriko pros toys polites, dyskinhto kai grafeiokratiko, empodizontas sthn prajh kaqe prospaqeia gia oysiastikh allagh. Ayth h kybernhsh proxwra se rizikes kai oysiastikes allages, se olo to fasma ths dhmosias zwhs. Throyme pista tis desmeyseis mas apenanti stoys etairoys kai stoys Ellhnes polites, gia na bgaloyme th xwra apo thn krish, alla kai na noikokyrecoyme thn oikonomia mas, wste na ginei biwsimh kai antagwnistikh. Se aytes tis ypoxrewseis mas eimaste apolyta synepeis. Para tis dyskolies kai tis mikres apokliseis, eimaste entos ths poreias toy programmatos poy katartisame kai proxwrame staqera, me synepeia.

Mia apo aytes tis xronies paqogeneies poy proanefera einai h adynamia ypologismoy toy akriboys ariqmoy twn ergazomenwn sto Dhmosio, me apotelesma na prokaloyntai diafora problhmata katagrafhs, ypologismwn kai diaxeirishs toy dynamikoy toy dhmosioy tomea. Me th xqesinh koinh ypoyrgikh apofash twn ypoyrgwn Eswterikwn kai Oikonomikwn, h kybernhsh proxwra sthn apografh toy proswpikoy toy Dhmosioy kai twn Organismwn Topikwn Aytodioikhsewn, kaqws kai sth systash ths Eniaias Arxhs Plhrwmwn. Etsi, parexetai, gia prwth fora, sto ellhniko kratos, h dynatothta na katagracei ton akribh ariqmo toy proswpikoy toy Dhmosioy kai twn OTA, alla kai na elegxei th misqodosia toys, aplopoiwntas se poly megalo baqmo tis diadikasies plhrwmwn, ejaleifontas tis opoies kaqysterhseis h paraleiceis yphrxan mexri shmera.

Ayth h analytikh katagrafh toy proswpikoy toy Dhmosioy qa einai h bash gia th dhmioyrgia, epiteloys, mias Eniaias Arxhs Plhrwmwn gia toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Ayth h diadikasia apokta idiaiterh shmasia, sthn trexoysa periodo, oxi mono giati to kratos qa exei syntoma mia akribestath eikona toy dynamikoy kai twn plhrwmwn poy kataballei, alla kai giati qa mporei na ajiopoiei swsta to dynamiko poy diaqetei. Kai me thn energeia ayth, poy qa eprepe na einai aytonohth, alla dystyxws pote sto parelqon den egine peistika, h kybernhsh deixnei th boylhsh ths na balei, epiteloys, tajh se enan axanh kai spatalo dhmosio tomea, me stoxo th dhmioyrgia enos kratikoy mhxanismoy prositoy, leitoyrgikoy kai filikoy pros ton polith.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes diaceysate tis fhmes poy kykloforoyn gia thn oikonomia, peri xreokopias, peri epistrofhs ths draxmhs klp. Para tayta shmera h fhmologia epimenei. Pws antimetwpizei to problhma ayto h kybernhsh; Antilambanetai toys kindynoys poy prokyptoyn apo tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis kai amfisbhthseis gia thn oikonomikh poreia ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti ayth h katastrofologia den bohqaei kanenan. Einai safes oti emeis, ws kybernhsh, den qa ypokycoyme se ayth thn katastrofologia. Oi aoristes fhmes, oi anypostates qewrhseis, akomh kai analytwn, alla kai o,ti diadidetai kai dhmioyrgei mia perirreoysa atmosfaira to mono poy dhmioyrgei einai anasfaleia ston Ellhna polith, anasfaleia sthn agora kai emeis ayto den to anexomaste. Qa prepei o Ellhnas poliths na exei empistosynh se ayto poy ginetai kai hdh me thn wrimothta poy deixnei h koinwnia, nomizw oti apo monh ths dinei thn apanthsh se oloys aytoys poy katastrofologoyn systhmatika. Emeis exoyme xarajei ena Programma Staqerothtas, me toys mhxanismoys poy kataferame na systaqoyn se eyrwpaiko epipedo, me tis opoies anaqewrhseis ginontai se ayto to programma, etsi wste na mporoyme na bgoyme apo to toynel. Kai epeidh ayto to programma to ylopoioyme me poly megalh synepeia, opws anefera kai prohgoymenws, den yparxei periptwsh na eystaqei kamia apo tis fhmes poy kykloforoyn. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Einai apolyth qesh ths kybernhshs kai se ayth thn kateyqynsh badizoyme.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, epeidh kai xqes kanate tetoioy eidoys dhlwseis, mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai na kanei kai kati allo, me dhlwseis allwn ypoyrgwn, toy Prwqypoyrgoy ktl;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh se oloys toys tonoys yposthrizei ayto poy anefera xqes kai epanalambanw kai shmera: H katastrofologia den mas ptoei. Ektos apo to oti den bohqaei kanenan, dhmioyrgei zhthmata ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Kai ayto einai safes kai rhto apo olh thn kybernhsh.

POLYMEROS: Qema me ton k. Jynidh yparxei; Giati mexri xqes yphrxe mia ypografh gia apoxarakthrismo sthn periptwsh Batopedioy, shmera yparxei kai deyterh kai ap` o,ti akoygetai qa yparjei kai trith. Gia thn kybernhsh yparxei qema Jynidh;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw ean pragmati yparxei en dynamei sirial ypografwn toy k. Jynidh. Pantws, o grammateas toy PASOK kai synadelfos boyleyths proshlqe monos toy sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph kai kateqese. Pera ap` osa legontai kai dhmosieyontai yparxei kai h istoria twn anqrwpwn kai twn politikwn.. Kai h istoria ayth mas peiqei gia to ti einai o kaqenas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela ena sxolio apo to gegonos oti xqes h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh me th syndromh kai ths Elladas, apedexqh to montelo poy emeis ypogracame me to DNT na isxysei gia oles tis xwres ths E.E. Sthn oysia, dhladh, milame gia paneyrwpaiko pia montelo poy prwta efarmozetai edw sth xwra mas. Ti sxolio exete eseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ontws sto xqesino Eurogroup apofasisthkan kai oi teleytaies texnikes leptomereies gia ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs, poy egine me prwtoboylia ths xwras mas. Dystyxws h xwra mas, ws o pleon adynamos krikos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, klhqhke na ypostei oles aytes tis zhmies poy ypesth to prohgoymeno diasthma kai me poly megalo kopo h ellhnikh kybernhsh katafere na energopoihsei toys etairoys mas, etsi wste na systaqei aytos o eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs. Einai safes oti pleon yparxei mia aspida prostasias apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Einai safes oti ayth h aspida den afora mono thn Ellada, alla opoiadhpote xwra ths eyrwzwnhs kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs poy qa xreiastei na prosfygei se ayth. Kai mesa sthn asxhmh katastash ths xwras mas poy prospaqei na bgei apo thn krish, yparxei kai to eytyxes gegonos, oti dhladh epiteloys, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh exei enan mhxanismo poy na sthrizei ta krath- melh, opote ayto xreiastei.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to gegonos, omws, oti kaleitai na syndramei kai to DNT me tis dikes toy diadikasies kai me tis dikes toy kateyqynthries grammes pagiws, den synista kai mia, an qelete, paradoxh ap` th mia, oti den mporoyme na ta kataferoyme monoi mas oi Eyrwpaioi, kai apo thn allh, oti dinoyme thn eykairia sto DNT na epibalei kai toys dikoys toy oroys;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h kaqe xwra exei thn eyqynh ths katastashs ths. Kai ayto poy egine sthn Ellada den htan tyxaio. Katesth o adynamos krikos me tis gnwstes paqogeneies pollwn dekaetiwn kai me thn katastrofikh politikh twn teleytaiwn eji xronwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Apo ekei kai pera, dikh mas qesh htan na yparxei enas amighs eyrwpaikos mhxanismos. Ayto, omws, den katesth dynato. Se ayton ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs poy systhqhke, symmetexei kai to DNT kai ws eniaios mhxanismos sthrijhs qetei kai toys oroys. Oroi poy tiqentai se kaqe daneismo. Ayth einai h pragmatikh katastash, aythn exoyme na antimetwpisoyme.

KALARYTHS: Prokeimenoy na mhn bgainei kapoios kaqe hmera h plhrofories kai lene oti yparxei kai allh mia ypografh Jynidh kai trith kai tetarth, h kybernhsh rwthse ton grammatea toy PASOK poses ypografes exei balei synolika; Oxi mono kat' anagkh kati epilhcimo, apla na jerei ti exei mprosta ths.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh gnwrizei para poly kala poia einai ta stelexh ths kai eidika gia stelexh, poy exoyn diakriqei se sygkekrimenoys agwnes, opws aytos kata ths arpaghs ths dhmosias perioysias, kata toy xarismatos ths dhmosias perioysias pros thn iera Monh Batopedioy. Ara, den tiqetai kanena zhthma poy na qetei, en amfibolw, tis ypografes h opoiadhpote allh prajh twn stelexwn ths.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Mas eipate oti h kybernhsh ylopoiei to Programma Staqerothtas me synepeia. Mas eipate, epishs, oti gia osa akoygontai kai osa grafontai peri xreokopias h ptwxeyshs einai katastrofologia. Ara, na ypoqesw oti amfisbhteite ta prwta stoixeia apo thn ektelesh toy proypologismoy toy 5mhnoy, poy deixnoyn ysterhsh esodwn kai shmantikh apoklish apo toys arxikoys stoxoys.

PETALWTHS: Se ayto to shmeio qa hqela na sas qymisw thn kaqhsyxastikh dhlwsh, poy ekane o ekproswpos toy Oli Ren, oti den tiqetai kanena problhma apo thn efarmogh toy programmatos ejygianshs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, akoma kai ean yparjoyn apokliseis. Ara, apo ta pio egkyra xeilh exoyme mia pistopoihsh ths ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas. Apo kei kai pera, ws pros to elleimma, qa qymisw gia allh mia fora, oti to pososto meiwshs toy elleimmatos einai ayjhmeno. Oson afora sta esoda, ginontai sygkekrimenes energeies, oi opoies sto telos qa apodwsoyn. Kai na yparxoyn kapoies apokliseis, einai epeidh den exoyn synypologistei sygkekrimenes eisprajeis esodwn, oi opoies otan ypologistoyn qa eimaste entos toy stoxoy.

SPANOY: Synepws, qewreite apiqano to endexomeno na zhthqoyn nea metra apo thn troika kai efoson zhthqoyn qa ta aporricete.

PETALWTHS: Den syzhtame gia nea metra. Den yparxei tetoia skech, oyte ta exei zhthsei kaneis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Me dedomeno oti stis Bryjelles, xqes, apofasisthkan kai oi genikes kateyqynthries grammes ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths EE, ayto shmainei oti to epomeno diasthma oi politikes poy qa efarmostoyn mporei na exoyn kai nees anadiarqrwseis se ergasiakes sxeseis, asfalistiko h kai nea metra;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme qesei toys stoxoys mas analytika. Kai oi stoxoi aytoi, ta metra kai oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs katagrafontai sto mnhmonio, poy exoyme ypogracei, alla kai h dromologhsh twn nomoqethmatwn, mexri teloys toy mhnos, einai safhs. Kai proxwrame etsi. Den apoklinoyme apo ayta poy emeis exoyme apofasisei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Me dedomeno oti h germanikh kybernhsh zhta aysthroteres kyrwseis stis xwres poy den akoloyqoyn me pistothta to Symfwno Staqerothtas, mporei na prokalesei alysidwtes antidraseis kai na yparjoyn kyrwseis pros thn Ellada;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme ena Programma Staqerothtas poy exei egkriqei apo thn EE. Basei aytoy poreyomaste, leitoyrgoyme kai programmatizoyme oles tis draseis mas kai o stoxos mas einai h ylopoihsh aytoy toy programmatos toy egkekrimenoy apo thn EE.

MIXAHL: Qelw na sas qesw ena erwthma gia dyo stelexh toy PASOK. Gia ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo, ti sxolio exete, meta thn apofash poy phre; Epeise h den epeise me ta osa stoixeia edwse; Kai giati epilexqhke ayth h diadikasia;

PETALWTHS: Exei apanthsei h Epitroph, poy ekrine tis ejhghseis.

MIXAHL: Epishs, na sas rwthsw kai kati allo. Kykloforoyn plhrofories oti se enan allo prwhn boyleyth toy PASOK kai melos akoma toy Kinhmatos sas, ton k. Flwro, yparxoyn akoma ekkremothtes apo thn ypoqesh toy Xrhmatisthrioy, me xrhmata poy den mporei na dikaiologhsei. Kai malista erxetai to Elegktiko Synedrio na amfisbhtei tis opoies (DEN AKOYGETAI). H kybernhsh ti ektima; Oti prokeitai gia ena qema poy afora mono th dikaiosynh h ginetai prospaqeia na mplextoyn olo kai perissotera stelexh toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Den sxoliazw plhrofories. Yparxoyn diadikasies poy mporei kai prepei na elegjoyn ton kaqe Ellhna polith. To idio isxyei kai gia ta stelexh toy PASOK fysika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Tis exw apokleisei epaneilhmmenws kai malista dexqhka kritikh apo synadelfoys sas gia th bebaiothta me thn opoia apokleiw prowres ekloges. To anefera kai prohgoymenws kai to epanalambanw oti an kapoios mporei na proteinei prowres ekloges, as tis proteinei. Emeis, exoyme analabei ena dyskolo ergo. H ellhnikh koinwnia antilambanetai plhrws thn krisimothta kai ayto to ergo qa to feroyme se peras gia to dhmosio symferon kai mono.

POLYMEROS: O k. Samaras se syzhthseis me dika toy stelexh to exei proteinei ayto. Gia ton k. Samara den milate twra;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw. An yparxei dhmosia protash toy k. Samara, thn akoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Thn ejetazete h apla thn akoyte;

PETALWTHS: Ek toy plagioy, den yparxei qema prowrwn eklogwn Einai safhs o apokleismos prowrwn eklogwn. Exoyme mprosta mas ena sobaro ergo, apo to na asxoloymaste me thn eklogologia.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh milate polles fores gia kokkines grammes, apenanti stis pieseis ths troikas: piqanes tetoies pieseis, loipon, mporei na sas odhghsoyn na xarajete mia kokkinh grammh kai na katafygete pali ston ellhniko lao gia na parete entolh gia ayta poy qa prepei na ylopoihsete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, den blepoyme na yparxoyn tetoies pieseis. Deyteron, sas eipa oti emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh kai pros toys etairoys mas, alla kai pros toys Ellhnes polites na feroyme se peras to Programma Staqerothtas. Efoson to feroyme se peras, den tiqetai kanena zhthma kai ola ta alla einai ek toy perissoy. Den yparxei qema eklogwn. Teleiwse.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Pantws, se kaqe periptwsh, an yphrxe kapoia skech qa thn koybentiazate me thn troika, etsi; Profanws. Prepei na pei h troika to ``nai''.

PETALWTHS: Ti skech, dhladh;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia prowres ekloges.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai diko sas sxolio.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mporei h ellhnikh kybernhsh, monh ths, na prokhryjei ekloges xwris na enhmerwsei thn troika;

PETALWTHS: Briskomaste sthn Ellada kai sthn Ellada yparxei isxyrh kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.


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