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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-06-21

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 21 Ioynioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 274196649

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Ioynioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Dianyoyme ws xwra mia dyskolh periodo, sthn opoia symballoyme oloi gia na dhmioyrghsoyme prooptikh kai na jeperasoyme thn krish. Einai wstoso mia periodos poy me th swsth diaxeirish kai thn apofasistikothta ths kybernhshs kai twn politwn, orioqeteitai h mellontikh eikona ths xwras, h morfh kai h sxesh toy kratoys me thn koinwnia, alla kai me thn oikonomia kai ta anaptyjiaka protypa.

Ta mhnymata shmera, meta apo kairo, einai qetika kai mas epitrepoyn na eimaste aisiodojoi. Oi qysies twn politwn pianoyn topo kai apodeiknyetai peritrana ayta poy kai oi ariqmoi apotypwnoyn, dhladh, otan qetoyme stoxoys ws koinwnia, syntetagmena, eimaste se qesh na toys petyxainoyme, anaktwntas etsi th xamenh empistosynh metajy toy kratoys kai twn politwn, alla kai th dieqnh mas ajiopistia.

Se ayth th nea sxesh empistosynhs poy dhmioyrgoyme, einai stoixeiwdhs ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs kai ths Politeias genikotera, na diasfalizei th diafaneia kai th xrhsth diaxeirish twn xrhmatwn twn politwn. Einai aytonohto, alla shmera ftasame na paleyoyme, akomh kai gia ta aytonohta.

Se ayta ta plaisia, katateqhke sth Boylh ena idiaitera shmantiko nomosxedio ths kybernhshs, to Programma ``Diaygei@'', me to opoio qesmoqeteitai h ypoxrewsh anarthshs prajewn twn kybernhtikwn kai dioikhtikwn organwn sto diadiktyo. Gia prwth fora anoigoyn oi kleistes portes twn ypoyrgeiwn kai twn dhmosiwn yphresiwn gia toys polites, wste o kaqenas na einai se qesh na parakoloyqei, ti jodeyetai, gia poio skopo kai ti apofaseis genikws lambanontai apo toys ypoyrgoys kai ta armodia dioikhtika organa.

Apo thn allh pleyra, to neo plaisio kaqista kai toys kratikoys leitoyrgoys pio ypeyqynoys apenanti sth dioikhsh kai sth xrhsth dioikhsh twn xrhmatwn, enisxyontas etsi th logodosia ths dhmosias dioikhshs pros toys polites, gia thn opoia eixame desmeytei kai prin apo tis ekloges. Ejasfalizoyme, loipon, gia toys polites ena enarmonismeno politiko, dioikhtiko plaisio, me jekaqaroys, diafaneis kanones kai ypoxrewseis gia oloys, mesa apo to opoio o kaqe poliths gnwrizei toys ¨oroys toy paixnidioy¨.

Parallhla, den ameloyme, antiqeta enisxyoyme shmantika th diafaneia poy sxetizetai me thn amesh kaqhmerinothta twn politwn. Apodeiknyoyme se kaqhmerinh bash th boylhsh mas na patajoyme th forodiafygh, qwrakizontas kai enisxyontas shmantika thn Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai proxwrame se elegxoys kai diastayrwseis poy hdh exoyn ferei apotelesmata kai syntoma qa feroyn akomh megalytera.

Exoyme epibalei shmantika aysthroteres poines kai eimaste apofasismenoi na epiferoyme kairia plhgmata se periptwseis forofygadwn poy mexri protinos, to kratos den tolmoyse oyte kan na aggijei.

Proxwroyme me apla kai aytonohta bhmata sth dhmioyrgia sxesewn empistosynhs metajy kratoys kai politwn, mia sxesh poy apotelei th bash ths oysiastikhs anabaqmishs kai anadiarqrwshs ths dhmosias dioikhshs kai ths oikonomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs zwhs toy topoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Poy eidate, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti oi qysies twn politwn pianoyn topo; Apo poy tekmairetai ayto;

PETALWTHS: Tekmairetai apo thn ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs. Apo to gegonos oti ayta ta metra, an kai sklhra, proxwroyn kala kai exoyn mia prooptikh gia thn ellhnikh pragmatikothta. H ylopoihsh, me toys stoxoys poy qetoyme, einai synephs, ara apodeiknyetai pws oi kopoi kai qysies twn Ellhnwn politwn exoyn to antikrisma toys. Kai to antikrisma ayth th stigmh einai qetiko.

SIDERHS: Epitrecte moy, qa mporoysate me ariqmoys na mas anaferete, giati kai oi ariqmoi sas antimaxontai. An ejairesete to elleimma to opoio egine gia eidikoys logoys - to exoyme janapei- pagwma dhmosiwn ependysewn, pagwma epistrofhs FPA, den exoyme kanena allon ariqmo poy na synhgorei sta epixeirhmata sas.

PETALWTHS: Emeis qetoyme kapoioys stoxoys toys opoioys dikaiologoyme kai sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, alla kai stoys daneistes mas. Synepws, apo th stigmh poy exoyme tis diabebaiwseis oti to programma ylopoieitai, proxwra kai h katabolh twn dosewn toy daneioy, poy se diaforetikh periptwsh den qa pragmatopoioyntan. Einai loipon aytapodeikto kai mono ap` ayth thn energeia oti to programma ylopoieitai.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia poio logo epilejate gia tis allages stis ergasiakes sxeseis th lysh toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos kai an h kybernhsh epimenei se ayth thn epilogh ths, meta kai tis antidraseis poy yparxoyn apo boyleytes toy PASOK.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ws pros toys boyleytes toy PASOK, na pw gia allh mia fora oti h kybernhsh sebetai thn aytonomh leitoyrgia twn boyleytwn kai fysika syzhta me toys boyleytes, oi opoioi kai en telei apofasizoyn gia to kybernhtiko programma, alla kai gia th diadikasia me thn opoia bgainoyme apo thn krish. Oi boyleytes me th leitoyrgia toys apoteloyn anapospasto meros ths kybernhtikhs politikhs. Safws oles oi apoceis einai sebastes. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy endiaferei einai h oysia. Kai h oysia einai oti aytes oi allages kai stis ergasiakes sxeseis -gia toys logoys poy exoyme pei para polles fores- prepei na ginoyn, prepei na proxwrhsoyn. To an qa einai me Proedriko Diatagma h an qa mporoyse na einai me nomoqetikh ryqmish, einai deytereyon zhthma. H syzhthsh einai anoixth. Emeis ws kybernhsh eimaste anoixtoi gia oloys toys boyleytes, gia oloys toys koinwnikoys etairoys, gia kaqe Ellhna polith, fysika, kata meizona logo kai pros toys boyleytes toy PASOK.

KOYTRAS: Pws blepete th syzhthsh poy exei anoijei sthn koinoboyleytikh omada toy PASOK; Arketoi boyleytes kanoyn logo gia antisyntagmatikothta sto Proedriko Diatagma kai parallhla se ayto to qema exei anoijei mia syzhthsh gia prowres ekloges. Dhladh, oti o Prwqypoyrgos an dei oti toy askhqei megalh piesh apo toys boyleytes, h opoia den mporei na askhqei bebaiws sto Proedriko Diatagma, alla mporei na askhqei sto Asfalistiko, qa protimhsei tis ekloges. Malista, kapoies diarroes kanoyn kai logo gia ekloges me lista.

PETALWTHS: Oi ekloges me lista einai nomoqetikh problech. Emeis, diaceydoyme kathgorhmatika oti yparxei zhthma eklogwn. Kai malista, opws eipate, epeidh ston Typo yphrxan kai kapoies ypotiqetai ``rhseis'' toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa hqela na sas anaferw oti den ginontai tetoies koybentes. H kybernhsh den syzhtaei to qema twn eklogwn. Exoyme na kanoyme poly shmantiko ergo. Briskomaste se mia poly shmantikh kamph aytoy toy ergoy mas kai den ptooymeqa apo fhmes peri eklogwn. Oson afora sthn apoch twn boyleytwn, sth syzhthsh poy anaferqhkate, emeis th qewroyme poly gonimh kai epibeblhmenh. Kai alimono an oi boyleytes, idiaitera toy PASOK, den syzhtoysan tetoioy eidoys zhthmata, ta opoia einai kefalaiwdoys shmasias, poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn poreia ths xwras, me to mellon toy Ellhna polith kai fysika me tis dyskolies poy pernaei o Ellhnas poliths. Qewroyme oti oi syzhthseis aytes prepei na ginontai kai den tiqetai kanena zhthma prowrwn eklogwn logw aytwn twn syzhthsewn. Gia thn antisyntagmatikothta poy eipate, ekfrasthke kapoia apoch. Oytws h allws kai mexri na teleiwsoyn aytes oi nomoqetikes ryqmiseis ekfrazontai polles apoceis, kapoies apo tis opoies emeis ws kybernhsh tis kratame kai fysika aytes tis apoceis zhtame na legontai akomh kai dhmosia.

KOYTRAS: Sto qema toy Asfalistikoy qa teqei kommatikh peiqarxia;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei tetoia apofash.

SPANOY: Epeidh eipate prin oti an oi allages sta ergasiaka proxwrhsoyn eite me Proedriko Diatagma, eite me nomoqetikh ryqmish, ayto einai deytereyon, ennoeite oti den exei kleisei ayto to qema; Dhladh, mporei oi allages sta ergasiaka na perasoyn telika me nomoqetikh ryqmish;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh syzhtame gia Proedriko Diatagma. Alla, ayto poy sas eipa, einai oti mas endiaferei h oysia twn allagwn poy ginontai stis ergasiakes sxeseis.

STRATAKHS: H kybernhsh, dhladh, exei peistei apolyta apo ton ypoyrgo Ergasias k. Loberdo, oti kinoyntai oi ergasiakes ryqmiseis pros th swsth kateyqynsh; Sas exei peisei oti ontws kinoyntai pros th swsth kateyqynsh; Apolambanei ths plhroys sthrijews apo thn kybernhsh o k. Loberdos;

PETALWTHS: Einai safestato oti o k. Loberdos apolambanei ths plhroys sthrijhs kai den tiqetai zhthma Loberdoy apo th mia pleyra kai kybernhshs, apo thn allh. O armodios ypoyrgos leitoyrgei me to deonta tropo se ola ta zhthmata. H kybernhsh einai ayth poy apofasizei syllogika. Oi apofaseis aytes den einai apofaseis toy k. Loberdoy, einai apofaseis ths kybernhshs. Yp` ayth thn ennoia, safws kai yparxei sthrijh - ennoeitai aytonohth sthrijh- ths kybernhshs pros ton k. Loberdo. Oyte einai qema peiqoys toy k. Loberdoy pros thn kybernhsh. Einai qema peiqoys kai pros thn koinwnia oti qa prepei na janadoyme tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Ekeino to opoio den proballetai genikws einai oti mesa apo aytes tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai tis allages toys, yparxoyn metra antirrophshs, metra ta opoia einai shmantika kai ta opoia fysika qa anakoinwqoyn, qa apofasistoyn otan yparxei wrimos xronos. Fysika, qa prepei na problhqoyn apo oloys mas, gia na stamathsei ayth h perirreoysa atmosfaira ths agwnias kai toy foboy twn Ellhnwn politwn. Qelw na tonisw oti edw den erxomaste na ``kocoyme'' apozhmiwseis, opws legetai. Den yparxei perikoph apozhmiwsewn sto 50%, einai teleiws diaforetiko. Giati an kaqisoyme na syzhthsoyme ti ginetai se olh thn Eyrwph, qa doyme oti ayto poy ginotan sthn Ellada den ginotan poyqena alloy. Yparxei zhthma mias neas bashs stis ergasiakes sxeseis. Mias bashs, h opoia qa prostateyei ton Ellhna ergazomeno, qa prostateyei omws kai thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta, giati xwris epixeirhmatikothta den yparxei kai ergasia. Emeis briskoyme thn isorropia kai ayto qa fanei sto telos kai me ta polla metra antirrophshs poy yparxoyn.

STRATAKHS: Na prosqesw kati. Mporei eseis na lete oti sas exei peisei o k. Loberdos, alla fainetai oti den exei peisei arketoys boyleytes apo to PASOK, den exei peisei toys syndikalistes, den exei peisei ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai den exei peisei propantwn toys ergazomenoys eite einai entagmenoi sto syndikalistiko kinhma, eite oxi. Kai to erwthma einai poly aplo: Pws mporei na katarghqei enas nomos toy 1920, toy opoioy empneysths htan o Eleyqerios Benizelos, apotelese mia qesmikh staqera gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis me ena Proedriko Diatagma;

PETALWTHS: Opws eipate, o nomos einai toy 1920. Einai antilhpto oti apo to 1920 mexri to 2010 exoyn anatrapei para polla zhthmata poy kapote qewroyntan aytonohta. Se ekeino poy qa epimeinw einai oti gia emas gnwmonas gi` ayth thn allagh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn paramenei h prostasia toy ergazomenoy, h opoia einai polypleyrh. Gi` ayto eipa oti ean den diasfalisoyme kai thn yparjh epixeirhsewn, ean den diasfalisoyme kai thn anqhsh toy idiwtikoy tomea, den qa yparxei ergasia. Apo kei kai pera, den perikoptoyme apozhmiwseis. Kanoyme tetoies allages etsi wste oi ergasiakes sxeseis na einai pio apodotikes, pio elkystikes kai gia toys epixeirhmaties, wste na dhmioyrgoyntai nees qeseis ergasias.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ep` aytoy. Poies eggyhseis exete gi` ayto; Dhladh, istorika - zoyme oloi se ayth th xwra- opote eginan ryqmiseis tetoioy eidoys, den eixame to analogo apotelesma. Den yphrje analhch koinwnikhs eyqynhs kai istorikhs eyqynhs apo shmantikh merida epixeirhmatiwn, ygiwn kata t` alla. Poies eggyhseis exete eseis oti me ayto to nomo-plaisio qa exete ayto poy lete;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, tis eggyhseis den tis zhtame apo toys epixeirhmaties kai ekei einai h diafora mas. Emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh kai qetoyme ena nomiko plaisio tetoiwn ergasiakwn sxesewn poy kata thn apoch mas stis paroyses sygkyries, stis paroyses xronikes synqhkes, diasfalizei thn ergasia. Kai gia emas, ayto einai to shmantiko. Ean fqasoyme na anazhtoyme istorikes eggyhseis toy parelqontos, tote einai poy qa exoyme jefygei teleiws apo toys stoxoys mas. Giati, opws antilambanomaste oloi zoyme se epoxes poy den exoyn istoriko prohgoymeno, toylaxiston stoys prosfatoys xronoys.

MIXAHL: Poso symbates einai aytes oi ryqmiseis me tis basikes arxes, politikes kai ideologikes, toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Sto plaisio toy dynatoy kai sto plaisio ths xronikhs sygkyrias, qetoyme tis arxes mas poy sthn prokeimenh periptwsh einai h diasfalish ths ergasias kai h prostasia twn ergazomenwn.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate gia mia nea bash stis ergasiakes sxeseis kai eipate oti stoxos ths kybernhshs einai na ginoyn pio elkystikes oi qeseis ergasias. Fantazomai, wstoso, oti exei problhmatisei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti oi ryqmiseis aytes dieykolynoyn para poly ton ergodoth na apolysei penhntarhdes kai penhntapentarhdes toys opoioys oydeis ergodoths qelei na parei kai na bgalei sth syntajh, prokeimenoy estw na exoyme neoys sthn agora ergasias. Exei skefqei h kybernhsh pws qa to antimetwpisei;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh to sygkekrimeno zhthma qa to antimetwpisei me metra antirrophshs, opws eipa prohgoymenws. Kai ayth th stigmh, mexri na teleiwsoyn oles oi ryqmiseis, ayto poy mporw na sas pw einai dyo pragmata, dyo grammes poy qa apodeixqoyn oti einai pragmatikothta: Prostasia ths ergasias twn newn kai prostasia ths ergasias kai twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn kai peraiterw twn syntajiodotikwn twn anqrwpwn megalyterhs hlikias, dhladh panw apo 55 h 57 etwn. Emeis exoyme ypoxrewsh kai apo tis arxes mas -alla einai kai apoch mas- kai apo th shmerinh pragmatikothta na prostateysoyme aytoys toys ergazomenoys poy bgainoyn ektos ergasias se megalyterh hlikia. Qa yparxoyn sygkekrimenes ryqmiseis, etsi wste na diasfalizetai kai h paramonh toys sthn ergasia, alla kai h syntajiodothsh toys me sygkekrimena zhthmata epi qematwn asfalistikoy.

PAPPA: Mporeite na mas proideasete perissotero ti qa kanete gi` aytoys; Apasxolei poly megalo ariqmo anqrwpwn...

PETALWTHS: Se syntomo xroniko diasthma qa einai ta panta jekaqara, gia na aposafhnistoyn oxi mono ekeines oi ryqmiseis poy fainetai oti perikoptoyn dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn, polla apo ta opoia qa eprepe oytws h allws na epikairopoihqoyn, alla oti yparxoyn kai dikaiwmata, yparxei kai ena dixty prostasias twn ergazomenwn, to opoio dixty pragmatika prostateyei toys ergazomenoys se aytoys toys dyskoloys kairoys. Kai ayta exoyn sxesh kai me tis asfalistikes toys eisfores otan einai sthn ergasia, alla kai me to dikaiwma aytasfalishs kai me to pws qa plhrwnetai kai apo poy qa kataballetai otan bgainoyn ektos ergasias.

KOYTRAS: Ayth th stigmh, eipate oti syzhtate gia Proedriko Diatagma. Einai anoixth h syzhthsh, anti gia Proedriko Diatagma na eisaxqoyn aytes oi ryqmiseis sto asfalistiko nomosxedio kai na chfistoyn apo th Boylh; Kai deyteron, an se aytes tis ryqmiseis, apo ayta poy exoyn bgei sto fws ths dhmosiothtas dhladh, perimenoyme kapoies allages pros to kalytero.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den exei teleiwsei ayth h syzhthsh. Gi` ayto lew oti ayth th stigmh syzhtame gia Proedriko Diatagma. Kai fysika ean yparxoyn ta opoia periqwria gia beltiwsh aytwn twn ryqmisewn, h kybernhsh einai safes oti qa ta ejantlhsei.

PAPPA: Na perimenoyme ejelijeis, dhladh, meta thn epistrofh toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh leitoyrgei, oytws h allws. Yparxoyn ypoyrgoi kai to ergo ths kybernhshs proxwrei.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate prohgoymenws oti den yparxei qema antiparaqeshs kybernhshs-Loberdoy kai adikws tiqetai etsi to erwthma. Yparxei, omws, ena oysiwdes erwthma. Ean protimhsete th diadikasia toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos, o ypoyrgos poy pairnei thn prwtoboylia gi` ayto to Proedriko Diatagma, anejarthta ean peiqei h den peiqei thn koinwnia, exei kai ena meros toy kostoys. Ean (den akoygetai) mono me nomoqetikh ryqmish, einai syllogikh prwtoboylia basei toy Syntagmatos, thn eyqynh thn pairnei h kybernhsh. Yparxei oysiwdhs diafora. Ti apo ta dyo qelete;

PETALWTHS: Oytws h allws, thn eyqynh gia opoiadhpote apofash opoioydhpote ypoyrgoy thn exei h kybernhsh. Apo th stigmh poy o ypoyrgos anhkei se mia sygkekrimenh kybernhsh, den yparxoyn eyqynes ypoyrgoy ws pros thn xarajh politikhs kai eyqynes ths kybernhshs. Gi` ayto sas eipa sthn arxh oti emas mas endiaferei h oysia. Na ginoyn aytes oi metarryqmiseis stis ergasiakes sxeseis kai to typiko meros einai to deytereyon.

STRATAKHS: Epeidh polys logos ginetai kai mporei na ginei kai perissoteros gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis kai h kybernhsh proballei to epixeirhma oti qa tonwsoyn thn epixeirhmatikothta, qa proselkysoyn nees ependyseis: H kybernhsh pws ajiologei tis topoqethseis empeirognwmonwn, oikonomologwn kai texnikwn gyrw apo ayta ta zhthmata, poy lene oti to prwto poy ejetazei mia epixeirhsh - kai an symfwneite telika me ayto- einai to forologiko kaqestws poy isxyei, deytero to ependytiko klima, trito h grafeiokratia kai tetarto h pempto oi ergasiakes sxeseis. Symfwneite me ayth thn ajiologhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw ayth th seira ajiologhshs, alla oles aytes oi parametroi poy balate, einai parametroi gia tis opoies prwtoi exoyme milhsei. Exoyme milhsei gia ``spasimo'' ths grafeiokratias, oxi aplws qewrhtika, alla eisagoyme kai nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias gia thn aplopoihsh twn diadikasiwn ta ths adeias idryshs kai ths adeias leitoyrgias, epeita, twn epixeirhsewn. Ejetazoyme - to exei pei kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy- wste na yparxei mia forologikh ryqmish diaforetikh gia thn proselkysh jenwn ependysewn. Kai fysika, milame kai gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis. Alimono ean legame oti mono me th ryqmish twn ergasiakwn sxesewn qa epelqei oikonomikh anaptyjh kai qa yparxoyn ependyseis kai anqhsh epixeirhmatikothtas sth xwra mas. Oles aytes einai parametroi qa prepei na leitoyrghsoyn syntetagmena, etsi wste na perasoyme se ena allo epipedo oikonomikhs anaptyjhs poy einai fysika kai to prosdokwmeno.

STRATAKHS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti edw prokeitai peri antestrammenhs pyramidas. Dioti jekinate apo toys ergazomenoys kai lete, qa kanoyme to ena, qa kanoyme to allo, enw gia toys ergazomenoys apo ayrio to prwi me to Proedriko Diatagma h me th nomoqetikh ryqmish, isxyoyn ryqmiseis.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h ryqmish gia thn aplopoihsh kai gia th grafeiokratia exei hdh dromologhqei nomoqetika. Deyteron, as mhn jexname oti ayta ta opoia syzhtame gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis emperiexontai sto mnhmonio. Yparxei mia proqesmia mexri telos Ioynioy kai se ayto to shmeio prepei na eimaste synepeis, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na daneistoyme anempodista, etsi opws proxwrei o daneismos apo ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. Tipote den einai anejarthto. Emeis ejetazoyme oles tis parametroys kai tis synektimoyme, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na proxwrame mprosta se ola ta epipeda.

KOYTRAS: Ara oi boyleytes poy diafwnoyn h den exoyn diabasei to mnhmonio poy chfisan h ayto poy fernei h kybernhsh ws ergasiakes sxeseis einai pera kai panw apo to mnhmonio, pio sklhro, dhladh. Gia poio logo na antidroyn;

PETALWTHS: Giati oi boyleytes exoyn ena sygkekrimeno rolo, oi boyleytes proerxontai mesa apo sygkekrimenes koinwnikes domes. Einai aytoi oi opoioi ekfrazoyn toys Ellhnes polites kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia me tis agwnies, me toys problhmatismoys kai alimono an oi Ellhnes boyleytes den syzhtoysan kai den agwnioysan. Kai fysika emeis ws kybernhsh tis apoceis twn boyleytwn kai tis protaseis, ews to shmeio poy prepei, tis yioqetoyme, tis enswmatwnoyme opws ejalloy exei ginei kai para polles fores. Leitoyrgoyme syntetagmena me thn koinoboyleytikh omada toy PASOK, alla fysika lambanoyme ypoch kai oles tis apoceis olwn twn boyleytwn. Ayto einai safes.

STRATAKHS: Ep aytoy. O k. Koyselas shmera, dhlwse se radiofwnikh synenteyjh oti paradeigmatos xarh to mnhmonio, anaferei dyo arades kai leei oti qa mporoyn na prosfygoyn sth diaithsia h o enas h allos apo toys koinwnikoys etairoys, eite oi ergazomenoi, eite h ergodosia. Ayto anaferei to mnhmonio. O k. Loberdos epishmainei, leei o k. Koyselas, oti qa prepei na symfwnhsoyn kai oi dyo gia prosfygh sth diaithsia. Ayto exei kamia sxesh me to mnhmonio;

PETALWTHS: Ola exoyn sxesh me to mnhmonio. Emeis eimaste entos mnhmonioy. Den afhnoyme tipote. Den ginontai yperbaseis parapanw apo to mnhmonio kai as laboyme kai ypoch oti oles oi ryqmiseis poy nomoqetoyntai me bash to mnhmonio einai kai zhthma diapragmateysewn me toys etairoys mas, me ton eyrwpaiko mhxanismo sthrijhs. O,ti erqei sth Boylh, o,ti chfistei h o,ti nomoqethqei me opoiadhpote morfh, qa einai me bash to mnhmonio kai me toys oroys poy sas anefera prohgoymenws.

STRATAKHS: Ara, afhnete anoixto to na epelqoyn allages sta hdh gnwsta peri tis ergasiakes sxeseis poy exoyn dhmosieytei.

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KOYTRAS: O k. Samaras poy eqese, xqes, th Nea Dhmokratia se kommatikh etoimothta, mhpws jerei kati parapanw gia tis ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Mporeite na rwthsete ton k. Samara. Emeis, eimaste kaqetoi gia tis ekloges. Den tiqetai zhthma eklogwn kai opoios to diakinei, isws, exei kai toys logoys toy.

POLYMEROS: Qema anasxhmatismoy, tiqetai;

PETALWTHS: Oyte fysika tiqetai qema anasxhmatismoy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth: efoson exoyme diarroes, gia tis opoies grafontai polla tis teleytaies hmeres, sth chfish toy Asfalistikoy, ean qa pame se diagrafes, xwris na to syndew me ekloges. Kai h deyterh: epeidh anaferqhkate stis agwnies toy kosmoy, exoyme mia allh merida anqrwpwn poy agwnioyn aytes tis hmeres. Aytwn poy exoyn dwsei ejetaseis gia thn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh kai qa hqela na maqw kai tis epomenes kinhseis ths kybernhshs, enocei kai ths apofashs, ayrio.

PETALWTHS: Gia to prwto poy eipate, alimono ean erxomoyn edw kai syzhtoysa gia diagrafes. Exw apodeijei kai einai pepoiqhsh ths kybernhshs oti oi boyleytes exoyn enisxymeno rolo kai malista se epoxes opoy yparxei reysto politiko pedio. Oi boyleytes einai aytoi oi opoioi, pragmatika, trabane mprosta kai ekfrazoyn kai pio amesa tis apoceis ths koinwnias. Ara, oles oi apoceis toys lambanontai ypoch apo thn kybernhsh, einai sebastes kai fysika yparxoyn kai kapoia oria, ta opoia ta bazoyn apo monoi toys oi idioi oi boyleytes, apo th stigmh poy anhkoyn se ena sygkekrimeno politiko xwro.

Oson afora sto deytero erwthma sas, gia thn agwnia twn maqhtwn, einai gnwsto oti yparxei ena qema ths OLME me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia tis prosqetes amoibes toys, enw prokeitai gia prosqeth amoibh kai oxi gia amoibh poy perilambanetai stoys misqoys. O misqos twn ekpaideytikwn ws pros th meiwsh toy akoloyqhse oloys toys misqoys twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, alla edw, milame gia prosqetes amoibes. Kai emeis fysika perimenoyme thn apofash ths OLME, h opoia qa deijei oti sebetai thn agwnia olwn twn maqhtwn, twn goniwn, alla kai olwn mas gia na teleiwsei ayth h talaipwria.

Sas eyxaristw.


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