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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-10-26

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 26 Oktwbrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 296707839

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Oktwbrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Analabame prin apo ena peripoy xrono thn eyqynh ths diaxeirishs ths xeiroterhs metapoliteytikhs periodoy ths xwras. Xreos mas htan kai einai akoma h swthria ths xwras apo ta deina poy prokalese h aneyqynh diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, me thn aprajia kai thn atolmia ths.

Proxwrhsame se rizikes allages kai apofaseis poy pragmatika bgazoyn th xwra apo to adiejodo kai prodiagrafoyn ena diaforetiko, kalytero mellon. Me tis apofaseis mas, oxi mono bgainoyme bhma - bhma apo to toynel, alla qwrakizoyme thn oikonomia kai thn koinwnia mas apo mellontikes kriseis.

Oloi shmera syneidhtopoioyn thn epitaktikh anagkh gia thn aproskopth synexish twn allagwn. Oloi oi polites poy ypesthsan qysies, qeloyn na tis doyn na ajiopoioyntai sto bwmo ths dhmioyrgias mias diaforetikhs Elladas, makria apo pelateiakes sxeseis, diafqora, xronies paqogeneies kai aparxaiwmenes logikes kai taktikes. Kaneis poliths den epiqymei na pane xamenes oi qysies toy.

Kaneis poliths den epiqymei na ypoqhkeysei ek neoy to mellon twn paidiwn toy epistrefontas th xwra sto shmeio mhden, sthn anasfaleia kai to fobo, ap opoy jekinhsame perysi, tetoia epoxh.

Biwsame oloi thn apajiwsh, thn anajiopistia, alla kai polles fores akomh, to xleyasmo. Ta jeperasame omws ola ayta me sklhro agwna kai eimaste apofasismenoi na mhn epitrecoyme pote se kanenan na ekfrastei etsi gia th xwra mas, giati sto telos ayths ths peripeteias qa exoyme mia diaforetikh Ellada.

H antipoliteysh edwse antimnhmoniako tono stis eperxomenes ekloges. H Nea Dhmokratia, malista, ejapatwntas gia allh mia fora toys polites, prospaqwntas na egklwbisei kai na pagideysei toys polites, se mia chfo, ypotiqetai, dysareskeias. Den yparxei omws thn periodo poy dianyoyme chfos dysareskeias, den yparxei chfos apodokimasias. Antiqeta, yparxei chfos politikhs staqerothtas, chfos me to blemma sto mellon.

Oi eperxomenes aytodioikhtikes ekloges, loipon, shmatodotoyn gia mas thn eyqynh, th synexeia pros thn oristikh allagh poreias ths xwras. Apoteloyn apodeijh synaisqhshs toy patriwtikoy kaqhkontos toy kaqe polith kai prajh eyqynhs apenanti stis epomenes genies. Kaloymaste, loipon, na apofasisoyme ean qa synexisoyme dynamika thn poreia mas pros ta empros, pros th diafaneia, pros thn ajiokratia, th logodosia, th dhmioyrgia amoibaiwn sxesewn empistosynhs kratoys - politwn, poy toso leipoyn h qa diakindyneysoyme na epistrecoyme sth mizeria, th faylothta, thn anajiokratia, tis pelateiakes sxeseis kai th diafqora.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas:

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pisteyete eilikrina, oti aytos o eilikrinhs, wmos - opws qelete peite to- ekbiasmos toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa perasei ston ellhniko lao; Giati peri aytoy prokeitai, peri ekbiasmoy. ``Chfiste me, chfiste toys ypochfioys moy h paw se ekloges''.

PETALWTHS: Den yphrxe kanenas ekbiasmos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Htan mia omilia eyqynhs. Apantoyse se erwthseis dhmosiografwn etsi opws eprepe, me to blemma sto mellon kai synaisqanomenos thn eyqynh enos Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios katafere mesa se ena xrono na kanei pragmata, ta opoia den qa mporoysan na ginoyn edw kai polles dekaeties. As mhn jexname oti o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy einai aytos poy hgeitai mias prospaqeias na swsei th xwra. To ekane en pollois me thn antimetwpish ths daneiakhs krishs. Katafere na peisei kai toys Eyrwpaioys kai toys dieqneis etairoys oti ajizoyme na mas empisteyqoyn kai na dhmioyrghqei aytos o prwtofanhs mhxanismos sthrijhs. Einai aytos poy exei kataferei kai jekinhse na ylopoiei ena sygkekrimeno orama. Kai xqes anaferqhke me nhfaliothta kai ypeyqynothta kai se o,ti egine mexri twra, alla kai poio einai to mellon ths xwras mas. Den yparxei kanenas ekbiasmos pros toys polites. Yparxei, aplws, h anadeijh ths eyqynhs olwn mas kai ayto ekane o Prwqypoyrgos.

MOSXOBAS: Mporeite na moy dieykrinisete sas parakalw, poia einai ta stoixeia; Giati den to dieykrinise... Poia einai ta stoixeia poy qa synaqroisei o Prwqypoyrgos; To ena einai oi agores kai pws qa antidrasoyn, alla aytos einai o aprobleptos paragontas. Poia qa einai ekeina ta stoixeia poy qa synaqroisei gia na dei an qa odhghqoyme h oxi se ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse oti den exei tetoia proqesh, oti den syzhtaei gia ekloges. Ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na synexistei h poreia ths xwras, giati h krish einai akoma mprosta mas. Briskomaste sto meson mias poly megalhs prospaqeias kai exoyme xreos kai eidika o Prwqypoyrgos exei xreos na apeyqynqei stoys polites kai na tonisei oti ayth h poreia den prepei na stamathsei gia kanena logo. Poso mallon otan sxedon sysswmh h antipoliteysh, dinei ena tono antimnhmoniako, enan tono diamartyrias, xwris na synaisqanetai tis eyqynes poy synepagetai ayto. Emeis exoyme empistosynh ston Ellhna polith. O Prwqypoyrgos apeyqynqhke ston aplo Ellhna polith gia na tonisei gia allh mia fora poso shmantikh kai krisimh einai h kamph ths poreias ths xwras, eidika s'ayth th sygkyria poy zoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate. Allo sas rwthsa. Poia stoixeia qa synaqroisei. Eipe oti to ena einai oi agores, to opoio, opws leme, einai anejelegkto, opws katalabainoyme oloi. To deytero einai to eklogiko apotelesma...

PETALWTHS: Oi agores den einai ena anejelegkto fainomeno. Gnwrizoyme oti oi agores pairnoyn shmata, parolo oti paizontai megala paixnidia, me poly xrhma. Oi agores exoyn na kanoyn me to poso deixnoyme emeis staqeroi. Poso staqerh einai h ellhnikh Politeia kai h oikonomia kai analogws yparxoyn kai oi shmantikes antidraseis apo tis agores. Ara, den yparxei kati to anejelegkto. Anejelegkto einai otan dinoyme emeis thn eykairia na droyn kapoioi anejelegkta. Kai h Ellada me thn prohgoymenh katastash, me thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, edwse ayto to dikaiwma. En pash periptwsei, einai ena synolo stoixeiwn kai parametrwn opoy dhmioyrgoyn thn ennoia kai thn eikona ths staqerothtas h ths apostaqeropoihshs, dhmioyrgoyn thn eikona oti synexizoyme ayth thn prospaqeia, h opoia einai terastia kai ginetai me th synainesh oysiastika toy ellhnikoy laoy h ayth h prospaqeia briskei empodia, poy shmainei oti einai para poly dyskolo na proxwrhsoyme an yparxoyn tetoia empodia.

MOSXOBAS: Allo sas rwthsa: Poioi einai oi parametroi...

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: Poies einai oi parametroi, den moy eipate.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: To eklogiko apotelesma einai to ena. To pws qa to ajiologhsoyn oi agores einai to deytero. As mhn einai anejelegktes. To trito, to tetarto...

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti einai ena synoliko plegma poy dhmioyrgei mia sygkekrimenh eikona ths xwras, h opoia dhmioyrgei kai tis antidraseis, oi opoies yparxoyn.

MOSXOBAS: Oi antidraseis apo tis agores, epi paradeigmati h apo toys daneistes mas, qa kriqoyn an h xwra einai se omalh troxia h oxi; Apo to an qa bgei o k. Sgoyros h o k. Kaminhs sthn Aqhna;

PETALWTHS: Kaneis den to eipe ayto, oyte o Prwqypoyrgos to eipe. Antiqeta, eqese me poly safeis grammes ti shmainei staqerothta, ti shmainei poreia pros to mellon kai ti shmainei stasimothta kai mia diamartyria, h opoia en pollois einai koyfia.

TSAKIRHS: Syggnwmh, epeidh xqes o Prwqypoyrgos den apanthse, qelete na mas peite poio einai to adiejodo poy ton odhgei se ekloges; Einai dhladh an eklegei o k. Sgoyros h o k. Kaminhs h o k. Dhmaras h o k. Cwmiadhs; Den mporei na kybernhsei me 158 - 160 boyleytes;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti h kybernhsh diaqetei mia isxyrh koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia. Sth fash omws poy eimaste, xreiazomaste th symmetoxh toy laoy. Xreiazetai na dwsoyme kai pros ta ejw, alla kai eswterika, thn eikona oti o laos symmetexei kai oi ekloges einai ena deigma. Apo ekei kai pera, einai safes oti proqesh ths kybernhshs den einai oi ekloges. Den einai na pame se ekloges. Proqesh ths kybernhshs einai na synexisei ayth thn poreia, mia poreia h opoia einai para poly dyskolh kai gi ayto akribws prepei oloi na synaisqanqoyme thn krisimothta ayths ths poreias.

TSAKIRHS: Einai toso megalos o panikos kai allajate, kanate strofh 180 moirwn, apo ekei poy legate oti einai ekloges gia ton ``Kallikrath'', na ekbiazete me eqnikes ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, den ekbiazoyme. O Prwqypoyrgos me plhrh ypeyqynothta ebale ola ta stoixeia kai ths shmerinhs politikhs pragmatikothtas sth xwra mas, alla kai ths poreias pros tis ekloges. Den yparxei kanenas ekbiasmos. Antiqeta, einai h pio eilikrinhs prospaqeia poy egine pote apo Prwqypoyrgo: Na ejhghsei ston polith ti symbainei kai ti prokeitai na symbei an se kati den pame kala. Kai epeidh h xwra brisketai akoma se katastash ektakths anagkhs - ki ayto den prepei na to jexname - kaqe ti to opoio mporei na diasaleysei ayth th staqerothta ths poreias pros thn ejodo, mporei na apobei kai moiraio gia th xwra mas. Gi' ayto akribws me aisqhma plhroys eyqynhs, o Prwqypoyrgos apeyqynqhke ston polith. Den einai qema kapoiwn proswpwn poy qa epilegoyn, alla den yparxei kai kamia strofh. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy leme oti o ``Kallikraths'' qa eprepe na einai to kentro syzhthshs s aytes tis ekloges. Emeis eimaste aytoi oi opoioi leme oti ta ceytodilhmmata ta bazei h antipoliteysh, idiaitera h Ajiwmatikh Antipoliteysh, otan tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges me ena epanastatiko systhma opws einai o ``Kallikraths'', prospaqei na tis metatrecei se ekloges diamartyrias, ypotiqetai kata toy mnhmonioy. Ta pragmata den einai etsi. Ta exoyme ejhghsei polles fores. Xqes, ayto poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, htan na apeyqynqei me eilikrineia ston Ellhna polith.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, zhtate apo ton ellhniko lao poy toy exete kocei toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis, poy ton exete fortwsei me plhqos forwn, na chfisei me gnwmona tis agores kai oxi me gnwmona th zwh toy poy thn epideinwnete se kaqhmerinh bash;

PETALWTHS: Emeis zhtame apo ton ellhniko lao na chfisei me gnwmona thn poreia pros th staqerothta kai thn allagh ths xwras. To oti anagkasthkame na kanoyme perikopes, na laboyme polles fores epwdynes apofaseis gia ton Ellhna polith, htan kati poy mas anagkase na to kanoyme h idia h katastash. Kai to exoyme ejhghsei para polles fores kai malista exoyme ejhghsei toys logoys kai tis aities poy ftasame s ayto to shmeio. Na ypenqymisw oti exoyme pei para polles fores oti h katastrofikh politikh ths Neas Dhmokratias htan ayth poy mas odhghse se ayto to shmeio - kyriws ayth - alla kai oi paqogeneies dekaetiwn, tis opoies emeis allazoyme. Ayto to antilambanetai o Ellhnas poliths. Kai antilambanetai poly kala giati yfistameqa oloi aytes tis qysies. Aytes tis qysies, omws, exoyme ypoxrewsh na tis diafylajoyme. Den mporoyme na pame diamartyromenoi ypotiqetai, opws prospaqei na epibalei h antipoliteysh, se ena qolo antimnhmoniako topio. Antiqetws, qa prepei na antilhfqoyme oloi - kai to antilambanetai o Ellhnas poliths ayto - oti kaqe prajh mas poy se diaforetikh periptwsh, se diaforetikes epoxes, den qa metroyse toso poly gia to mellon ths xwras, twra metraei poly perissotero.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, to lete ki eseis shmera, oti xreiazeste th symmetoxh toy laoy. Den symmetexei o laos; Toy kocate toys misqoys, toy kocate tis syntajeis. Nomizw oti ayth einai h symmetoxh. Na aisqanetai tyceis opoios den qelei na chfisei toys ypochfioys poy sthrizei h kybernwsa paratajh, idiws an aisqanetai oti den toy kanoyn, den antapokrinontai stis prosdokies kai stis anagkes ths perioxhs toy; Chfizoyme gia dhmo kai perifereies.

PETALWTHS: Den prospaqoyme kaqoloy na kanoyme kati tetoio. Oi aytodioikhtikes ekloges, einai aytodioikhtikes ekloges. Aplws, h kamph poy briskomaste einai toso krisimh, poy exei na kanei me amesh antanaklash kai me ta kentrika politika pragmata ths xwras. Gi` ayto epanalambanw, oti briskomaste akomh se katastash ektakths anagkhs, kyriws sthn oikonomia kai den mporoyme na kanoyme piswgyrismata. O ellhnikos laos exei apodeijei oti einai ejairetika wrimos, olo ayto to xrono opoy eginan megales allages kai yfistatai kai qysies tis opoies den qa dexotan na ypostei se alles xronikes periodoys. Emeis akribws ayto pame na diafylajoyme ayth th stigmh kai ayto einai to diakybeyma. Na mh xaqoyn oles aytes oi qysies poy eginan apo to ellhniko lao sto onoma kapoias antimnhmoniakhs, qolhs chfoy diamartyrias.

SIDERHS: Exw dyo erwthseis. Prwton, poio einai ekeino to pososto ptwshs poy qa synypologhsei o Prwqypoyrgos kai qa krinei oti prepei na pame se ekloges; Poio qa einai to pososto ptwshs gia to PASOK.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei pososto ptwshs gia to PASOK. Emeis den bazoyme phxh, den bazoyme pososta. Mas endiaferoyn shmantikotera kai genikotera pragmata. Kai epanalambanw oti ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na mhn anatrapei ayth h poreia pros thn swthria ths xwras.

SIDERHS : Dwsate emfash sthn eikona poy deixnoyme pros ta ejw. Enas Prwqypoyrgos tremei, mhpws bgei o opoios Dhmaras h o opoios Kaloydhs. Einai kalh h eikona eggyhshs poy ekpempoyme pros ta ejw; Deixnei eikona stibarothtas mias ejoysias xwris problhmata h mias parapaioysas ejoysias;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos den edwse kamia eikona pros ta ejw, oti tremei. To antiqeto. Me to proswpiko eidiko baros aytoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kataferame na anatajoyme thn ajiopistia ths xwras, na mas empisteyqoyn oi etairoi mas kai na dhmioyrghqei aytos o mhxanismos sthrijhs. Kai ayth einai h eikona poy exoyn shmera oi etairoi gia th xwra mas. Den tremoyme gia kanena Dhmara, gia kanenan allo ypochfio poy eipate kai ayto fysika den to ekane kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Ta zhthmata einai poly genikotera kai poly shmantikotera apo thn epilogh enos Perifereiarxh h enos Dhmarxoy. Synolika omws yparxei to zhthma na synexisoyme tis poly megales allages kai thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyme eidika s ayth thn krisimh kamph etsi wste na mh kindyneysei jana h xwra mas.

SIDERHS: An moy epitrepete, ti gnwmh exei o Prwqypoyrgos gia to endexomeno kybernhsewn ektakths anagkhs;

PETALWTHS: Ti qa pei kybernhsh ektakths anagkhs;

SIDERHS: Synergasia me kommata h proswpikothtes.

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kybernhsh. Yparxei kybernhsh h opoia einai staqerh, h opoia apodidei kai den yparxei qema syzhthsewn gia kybernhsh eqnikhs enothtas h anagkhs, opws eipate.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prospaqw na katalabw ti apo ta dyo isxyei. Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos eipe, oti eidika ston prwto gyro, qa prepei na metrhsoyme kai na doyme an eimaste se ena shmeio na eimaste to prwto komma. Kai twra lete, oti den yparxei pososto ptwshs, den yparxei phxhs. Ti isxyei apo ola;

PETALWTHS: Den einai antifatiko to ena me to allo. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe xqes sthn apanthsh toy ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws. Apo ekei kai pera, den bazoyme pososta. Emeis qeloyme na synypologisoyme thn eklogikh epityxia, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, ston prwto gyro. Fysika, yparxoyn paragontes toys opoioys synypologizontas qa krinoyme kata poso kindyneyei h poreia ths xwras pros thn poly megalh allagh poy kanoyme h oxi. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, pososta kai phxh, den bazoyme. Qeloyme na bgoyn dynata ta chfodeltia ta opoia sthrizoyme. Qeloyme to mhnyma to opoio qa bgei - kai aytos einai o phxhs- apo aytes tis ekloges, na einai mhnyma synexishs ths poly megalhs prospaqeias poy kanoyme, ths staqerothtas kai kyriws ths mh metatrophs twn qysiwn toy ellhnikoy laoy se aera. Ayto einai to shmantiko kai aytos einai o phxhs poy bazoyme.

BITALHS: Ean moy epitrepete, epeidh pali anoigete ena zhthma, edw, me thn apanthsh sas. Sas rwthse dyo fores prohgoymenws o k. Mosxobas gia toys paragontes poy synektimate. Kai edw lete: ``Yparxoyn paragontes poy qa synektimhsoyme, an kindyneyei h poreia ths xwras pros to mellon''. Poioi einai aytoi oi paragontes;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa ston k. Mosxoba prohgoymenws.

SPANOY: Exete kanei kapoia syzhthsh me thn troika gia to endexomeno prowrwn eqnikwn eklogwn kai exete ektimhseis tis synepeies poy qa exei mia tetoia prooptikh gia thn oikonomia ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Tis apofaseis tis lambanoyme emeis ws kyriarxh kybernhsh. Kai to exoyme apodeijei oti tis apofaseis tis lambanoyme monoi mas. Ayto, omws, poy gnwrizoyme kai antilambanomaste, einai h eikona poy dhmioyrgeitai apo th xwra mas pros to ejwteriko, pros toys etairoys, mia eikona, h opoia qeloyme na parameinei eikona staqerothtas, eikona allaghs. Kai ayto den to kanoyme gia na ikanopoihqoyn kapoioi jenoi. To kanoyme gia thn idia th swthria ths xwras mas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos xqes milhse kai gia epanadiapragmateysh twn epaxqwn orwn toy mnhmonioy. Yparxei tetoia dynatothta h to mnhmonio einai dedomeno;

PETALWTHS: Gia thn epimhkynsh, profanws, lete h kapoioys alloys oroys.

GARGALAKOS: Oxi. Kai gia epaxqeis oroys.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ayto poy leme einai to ejhs: Emeis, prepei na kanoyme th doyleia mas, opws thn kanoyme ayth th stigmh. Na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes staqerothtas, na deijoyme oti h poreia ths xwras mas den allazei, oti h doyleia poy kanoyme einai doyleia staqerothtas, sobarothtas kai ypeyqynothtas. Gia na mporoyme na milame gia otidhpote eynoiko kai na mporoyme na zhthsoyme opoiadhpote epanadiapragmateysh, qa prepei na exoyme ayta, ws dedomena. Apo ekei kai pera, ennoeitai oti otan phgainoyme kala, qa mporoyme na milame kai gia anaplhrwsh toy xamenoy eisodhmatos twn Ellhnwn politwn, qa mporoyme na milame gia mia qesh ths xwras mas, h opoia ginetai akomh pio isxyrh.

MOSXOBAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos, xqes, eipe kai kati akomh. As leei o k. Oli Ren o,ti qelei. Emas h kokkinh grammh mas einai den koboyme misqoys kai syntajeis. Pws einai toso sigoyros oti mporei na petyxei kati tetoio sth diapragmateysh; To exei syzhthsei me kapoion;

PETALWTHS: Ayto den einai qema diapragmateyshs, einai qema poreias ths xwras mas.

MOSXOBAS: Kai an to zhthsei h troika, ti qa ginei;

PETALWTHS: H troika den erxetai na zhthsei o,ti qelei. Edw exoyme sygkekrimena dedomena. Edw yparxei mia symbash opoy dromologoyntai kai kostologoyntai katastaseis, proypoqeseis, oroi. Mesa se ayta poy exoyme balei, thrwntas emeis aparegklita toys stoxoys mas, blepoyme oti den yparxei kanenas logos na milame gia nea metra, den yparxei kanenas logos na milame gia perikoph misqwn, syntajewn klp. Ara, einai diko mas qema to poso kanoyme emeis th doyleia mas. Gi` ayto, akribws, eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos oti balame kai kokkinh grammh. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti shmainei eisodhmatika gia ton Ellhna polith na exei perikoph twn misqwn kai twn syntajewn toy. To zoyme, to biwnoyme kai eytyxws ta pragmata phgainoyn kala. Kai oso phgainoyn kala, den yparxei logos na fobatai kaneis tipote. Kai ayto, to na phgainoyn kala, to eggyomaste emeis, ws kybernhsh kai to eggyatai, fysika kai o ellhnikos laos.

MOSXOBAS: Sygnwmh, epeidh h E.E. kai oi ekproswpoi ths, h troika, opws prosfata akoysame thn Kyriakh ton ekproswpo ths E.K.T. na leei oti me thn anaqewrhsh toy AEP, me to elleimma sta esoda, endexomenws h mallon sigoyra, qa xreiastoyn nea metra. O k. Papandreoy leei oti ayto einai kokkinh grammh gia emas. Pws mporei na diasfalistei o Ellhnas forologoymenos poliths, misqwtos h syntajioyxos, oti ayto qa epiteyxqei, an h troika epimeinei sto oti apaitoyntai aytes oi qysies;

PETALWTHS: Exei apanthsei kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn kai o Prwqypoyrgos oti to elleimma to opoio fainetai ayjhmeno kai anaqewrhmeno gia to 2009, einai allh mia antanaklash ths egklhmatikhs kybernhtikhs politikhs ths N.D. Den kindyneyoyme na paqoyme kati parapanw. Den kindyneyoyn na kopoyn misqoi kai syntajeis, den xreiazontai nea metra, giati akribws exoyme synypologisei oti ean yparxei kapoia diaforetikh katastash sta stoixeia, na mporoyme na ta anaplhrwsoyme. Etsi opws fainetai oti qa einai to anaqewrhmeno elleimma toy 2009, den kindyneyoyme se tipote. Den xreiazontai nea metra. Einai jekaqaro.

KOYTRAS: O k. Papandreoy milhse xqes gia kapoion giatro, o opoios exei mpei fylakh gia forologikes parabaseis. Exete kati perissotero na mas peite;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy gnwrizw egw, einai oti yparxoyn tesseris periptwseis giatrwn, gia toys opoioys exei kinhqei poinikh diadikasia me th diadikasia toy aytofwroy. Perimenoyme na ginei telesidikh h apofash. Ekei, bebaia, poy einai h diafora mas me th N.D., einai oti ean syllambanotan epi N.D. giatroi oi opoioi epairnan ``fakelakia'', qa synexizan na ergazontai. Se emas, aytoi oi giatroi oi opoioi syllambanontai, mexri na teleiwsei to dikasthrio toys, tiqentai se argia, tiqentai ektos E.S.Y. kai ayth einai h megalh mas diafora. Giati emeis, pragmatika, qeloyme na patajoyme ola ayta ta systhmata kai ta kyklwmata, ta opoia lymainontai kai ton eqniko xwro ths dhmosias ygeias, alla kai to eisodhma twn politwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos oti den qa epibarynqoyn peraiterw oi syntajioyxoi kai oi misqwtoi. H ayjhsh twn syntelestwn toy FPA, oi ayjhseis sta eisithria twn Meswn Mazikhs Metaforas, oi ayjhseis sth DEH, oi ayjhseis toy petrelaioy qermanshs, me ayto ths kinhshs, ta prasina telh kai mia seira apo metra poy fernei h kybernhsh, poioys qa epibarynoyn;

PETALWTHS: Milate gia metra ta opoia hdh einai apofasismena, gia metra ta opoia hdh periexontai sth symfwnia poy kaname. Apo ekei kai pera, den milame gia nea metra. Kai malista, polla ap` ayta poy eipate, prospaqoyme na ta apotrecoyme, etsi wste na mhn epibarynqei peraiterw o Ellhnas forologoymenos. Kai ayto to kanoyme me ta tria enallaktika senaria poy eipame kai ta opoia ejetazoyme, poio apo ta tria qa einai to pio boliko gia thn elafrynsh, apo ta barh, toy Ellhna polith. Den milame, omws, gia nea metra. O,ti isxyei, isxyei, ayto einai dromologhmeno. Apo ayta poy isxyoyn, isa-isa prospaqoyme na ta kanoyme pio epieikh, me megalyterh elafrynsh gia ton Ellhna polith.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, einai palia metra ayta; Nea den einai;

PETALWTHS: Den einai nea metra. Einai dromologhmena gia to 2011.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw sth Boylh, exete mia aneth pleiochfia kai prospaqw na katalabw giati mia katachfish orismenwn perifereiarxwn h dhmarxwn, na shmanei politikh astaqeia, afoy den allazei o ariqmos twn boyleytwn poy exete.

PETALWTHS: Den einai qema boyleytwn, to eipa kai prohgoymenws. Ontws h kybernhsh exei mia aneth pleiochfia. Emeis, ayto poy qeloyme, einai na synexistei h symmetoxh toy laoy se ayth thn poly megalh prospaqeia. Na apodeixqei, oti o laos ejakoloyqei na symmetexei se ayth thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyme. Kai fysika den prepei na diakybeyetai ayth h poreia pros thn ejodo apo thn krish kai thn allagh ths xwras. Den einai qema koinoboyleytikhs pleiochfias, einai qema ths idias ths symmetoxhs toy laoy.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Ektimate oti an pate se prowres ekloges, qa parete megalytero ariqmo boyleytwn; Giati an pate se eqnikes ekloges qa einai pio jekaqarh h laikh entolh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, o Prwqypoyrgos jekaqarise oti den einai proqesh mas na pame se prowres ekloges. Proqesh mas einai na synexisoyme ayth th swthria poreia ths xwras, giati opoiadhpote katastash talanisei ayth thn poreia ths xwras, qa einai moiraia kai gia th swthria ths. Den prepei me kanena tropo na diasaleytei ayth h poreia kai to mono melhma mas einai ayto. Emeis, den exoyme melhma na kybernoyme esaei, opws eixe h N.D. Mas endiaferei ayto to poly megalo ergo poy mas aneqese o ellhnikos laos na synexistei, etsi wste na dwsoyme jana th xwra stoys polites. Mia xwra h opoia qa einai sigoyrh, den qa brisketai sthn krish poy brisketai shmera kai malista qwrakismenh me tis megales allages, wste na mhn mporei na talanizetai jana apo opoiadhpote krish. To mono melhma mas einai ayto. Den mas endiaferei na exoyme mia megalyterh kybernhtikh pleiochfia. Milame gia th swthria ths xwras.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Eipate nwritera, apantwntas ston k. Mosxoba, oti ean ta apotelesmata apo thn anaqewrhsh toy elleimmatos einai ayta poy perimenete, exete toys tropoys na breite apo alloy xrhmata, xwris na epibarynete toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys kai misqwtoys. Den qa sas rwthsw gia toys tropoys, sas exw empistosynh kai den qa moy peite kiolas, alla hqela na sas rwthsw, ean den epalhqeytoyn oi prosdokies sas, opws eixe ginei thn prohgoymenh fora kai to anefere xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, rwtwntas ton k. Karamanlh, den toy epalhqeyse ta osa gnwrize mexri ekeinh th stigmh, apo poy qa breite ta xrhmata ta epipleon;

PETALWTHS: Qa sas apantoysa, alla einai ypoqetikh h erwthsh. Emeis leme oti exoyme ton tropo na ta bgaloyme pera oikonomika, etsi opws einai ta pragmata, etsi opws einai prodiagegrammenh h poreia ths oikonomias mas, etsi wste na mporoyme me bebaiothta na leme oti den yparxei logos na meiwqoyn misqoi kai syntajeis. Ayto to exoyme diasfalismeno. Ayth th diasfalish prospaqoyme na krathsoyme kai na thrhsoyme, etsi wste na mhn anagkazomaste argotera na kanoyme alla pragmata. Etsi opws paei h xwra mas, etsi opws einai h poreia ths, den yparxei periptwsh na lhfqoyn nea metra.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, opoios den chfisei toys ypochfioys toy PA.SO.K., prattei h leitoyrgei eis baros ths xwras; Ayto afhnete na ennohqei;

PETALWTHS: Den afhnoyme na ennohqei tipote, to exoyme ejhghsei. Den prokeitai gia kapoia proswpa poy oytws h allws emeis kaname epiloges me sygkekrimena krithria kai poy kata thn apoch toy kommatos mas, einai ta pio ikana kai katallhla. Den einai qema proswpwn. Einai qema empistosynhs toy ellhnikoy laoy, einai qema empistosynhs sto megalo ergo poy kanoyme. Kai ayto to ergo den mporoyme na to afhsoyme sthn tyxh kapoiwn oi opoioi safws kai den einai ikanoi na kybernhsoyn kai poy edeijan akribws ti eidoys diakybernhsh mporoyn na kanoyn sth xwra mas.

MOSXOBAS: Eseis sto ceytodilhmma, opws xarakthrisate, ths N.D., poy eqete tis prohgoymenes ebdomades, apantate me ena pragmatiko dilhmma h ekbiasmo opws to lene kapoioi. Ayto poy den antilambanomai, einai oti afoy einai toso krisimo to diakybeyma poy diakybeyetai akoma kai ayth h idia h synoxh kai h synqesh ths Boylhs, h tyxh ths kybernhshs, giati koryfaia stelexh toy kommatos sas, arnhqhkan na metasxoyn ws ypochfioi se aytes tis ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena qema to opoio syzhthsame prin apo dyo mhnes.

MOSXOBAS: Nai, alla den eixate qesei tetoio diakybeyma, otan syzhtoysame ekeino to qema, twra...

PETALWTHS: Qa sas epanalabw oti oi epiloges poy ekane to PA.SO.K. htan ajiologotates kai plhroysan sygkekrimena krithria: Proswpa ikana, proswpa ta opoia pisteyoyn oti mporoyn na prosferoyn mesa apo to qesmo ths topikhs aytodioikhshs. Kai epanalambanw oti yparxoyn politika proswpa poy einai ajiologotata, omws, h topikh aytodioikhsh den einai o xwros toys kai proswpa opoy mporoyn na sygklinoyn sthn ypochfiothta toys polles koinwnikes dynameis. Ayta htan ta krithria me ta opoia epilejame toys ypochfioys, oi opoioi fainetai oti kanoyn poly kala th doyleia toys.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, poso ikanopoihmenos einai o Prwqypoyrgos, poy xqes to brady taxqhke sto pleyro toy o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos Kwnstantinos Mhtsotakhs.

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai ikanopoihmenos apo thn aphxhsh poy exoyn ston ellhniko lao ta osa leei kai antapokrinetai stis prajeis kai tis proklhseis poy qetei ayth h kybernhsh kai monon.

TSAKIRHS: O k. Mhtsotakhs eipe xqes oti den apotelei enallaktikh lysh o k. Samaras kai oti sthrizei ton k. Papandreoy. Den exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: To oti sthrizei ton k. Papandreoy, den qymamai na to eipe. To ti leei o k. Mhtsotakhs, einai diko toy qema. Emas, mas endiaferei o Ellhnas poliths, aytos mas ejeleje, gi` ayton doyleyoyme edw kai ena xrono me prwtofaneis synqhkes kai mono se ayton anaferomaste. Ejalloy, o k. Mhtsotakhs einai akomh, an den kanw laqos, epitimos proedros ths N.D.

POLYMEROS: ... Htan...

PETALWTHS: Den einai pleon;

POLYMEROS: Me ayta poy eipe... mallon oxi.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw alla nomizw oti den toy afairese kapoios to ajiwma.

KOYTRAS: Ti shmasia exei ayto; Sas sthrizei. Oyte mia chfo xamenh, de lete;

PETALWTHS: Ws Ellhnas poliths, ennoeitai oti mporei na mas chfisei, exei dikaiwma na mas chfisei. Anaferomaste mono ston Ellhna polith, ston ellhniko lao. Einai jekaqaro.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Prin apo ena mhna mas eixate, apo ayto to bhma, diafhmisei th symfwnia gia ta nayphgeia Skaramagka, poy epetyxe h kybernhsh. Shmera, oi ergazomenoi einai akomh aplhrwtoi kai den yparxei kamia ejelijh sthn ypoqesh me ta nayphgeia Skaramagka. Ti protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh me ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh kai ston tomea twn nayphgeiwn Skaramagka prospaqei, pragmatika, na bgalei ta kastana apo th fwtia. Na dhmioyrghsei pedio ependysewn, na dhmioyrghsei edafos gia th biwsimothta twn nayphgeiwn, etsi wste kai doyleies na yparxoyn gia ton ellhniko lao, alla na wfeleitai kai h dhmosia oikonomia. Kai ayto kanei mexri twra.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Exei kapoio sxolio na kanei h kybernhsh gia thn paraithsh ths k. Dragwna;

PETALWTHS: H k. Dragwna ypebale thn paraithsh ths gia proswpikoys logoys, thn ekane dekth h k. Diamantopoyloy h opoia thn eyxaristhse. Yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh kai ths k. Dragwna kai ths k. Diamantopoyloy.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kateqese mia protash h k. Dragwna gia na mhn einai ypoxrewtiko to maqhma ths istorias. Syndeetai me ayto to gegonos, me ayth thn protash;

PETALWTHS: H k. Dragwna exei epitelesei, se olo ayto to diasthma poy kateixe thn qesh ths Eidikhs Grammatews toy yp. Paideias, ena shmantiko ergo. Ena ergo se poly krisimoys tomeis kai fysika mia protash ths den qa mporoyse na syndeetai me mia paraithsh. Einai gia proswpikoys logoys kai yparxei sygkekrimenh anakoinwsh toy yp. Paideias.

TSAKIRHS: Hqela na sas rwthsw ean exete katalabei, ean exei katalabei kai o Prwqypoyrgos oti an telika prokhryjete prowres ekloges, oysiastika odhgeite se paragrafh ola ayta ta opoia ejetazete sth Boylh kai akomh kai ta parapoihtika stoixeia gia thn oikonomia, poy skefteste na kanete ejetastikh epitroph. Ti diaforetiko, loipon, qa exei kanei apo ton k. Karamanlh poy ekleise thn Boylh gia na paragrafoyn ta adikhmata;

PETALWTHS: Proqesh dikh mas den einai na ginoyn ekloges. To jekaqarise o Prwqypoyrgos. Proqesh dikh mas einai - kai ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme- na synexisoyme to poly megalo ergo ayths ths kybernhshs kai exoyme mprosta mas akomh tria xronia. Antiqetws, eyxaristw poy moy to qymisate o k. Karamanlhs ekleise aron-aron thn Boylh ton Maio toy 2009. Thn ekleise to Sabbato, enw gia thn Deytera eixe dhmosieyqei hmerhsia diatajh ths Boylhs, akribws gia na paragracei - pisteye, einai nomiko to zhthma kai ejetazetai akomh - ta adikhmata twn ypoyrgwn toy. Emeis kaqe allo para kati tetoio kanoyme.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Mporei h kybernhsh na mhn qelei na balei enan phxh, alla qelw ena sxolio: Shmera boyleytes toy PA.SO.K, sygkekrimena o k. Koykoylopoylos, se mia radiofwnikh toy synenteyjh eipe oti o phxhs prepei na jeperna to 80% toy posostoy poy phrate persi. Qelw ena sxolio.

PETALWTHS: Den qa sxoliasw ti eipe o k.Koykoylopoylos. Den gnwrizw thn dhlwsh toy, apo esas thn akoyw. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse exqes me ypeyqynothta kai ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs.

Sas eyxaristw.


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