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Greek Government Press Briefing, 11-05-10

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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 10 Maioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 331260898

Ekdosh 1

BRIEFING(100511)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 10.5.2011

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Opws exei hdh anakoinwqei, eixame prin ligo th dhmoprasia ejamhnwn entokwn grammatiwn. Gia allh mia fora, ta apotelesmata htan arketa kala gia mas, kaqws daneisthkame me epitokio 4,88%, katw dhladh apo to epitokio toy mhxanismoy sthrijhs. H zhthsh yperkalyfqhke 3,58 fores, me toys jenoys na apoteloyn to 34,2 toy posoy. Antlhsame synolika 1dis 625 ekatommyria eyrw.

Dinoyme ton agwna kai th maxh gia thn ajiopistia, se kaqe epipedo. Xtizoyme kai prospaqoyme na xtisoyme ena katallhlo epixeirhmatiko kai ependytiko periballon poy epiballetai apo th sygxronh pragmatikothta.

H idrysh epixeirhsewn me diadikasies ``mias stashs'' apodidei karpoys. Mesa se mia mera apo ayth th nea diadikasia, prwtofanes gegonos gia th xwra mas, idryqhkan peripoy 300 epixeirhseis olwn twn nomikwn morfwn. Filodojia mas einai aytes oi epixeirhseis na xrhsimopoihsoyn sygxrona epixeirhmatika kai ependytika ergaleia poy diaqetei h Politeia, se ena jekaqaro ependytiko periballon, giati prepei, epiteloys, na blepoyme kai mprosta.

Pernaei ayrio apo to KTE Emporioy h aplopoihsh ths adeiodothshs twn texnikwn epaggelmatikwn kai metapoihtikwn drasthriothtwn, ena mini fast track, dhladh me grhgores diadikasies poy apoteloyse kai pagio aithma twn epixeirhmatiwn, kaqws elafrynei se shmantikotato baqmo thn apaitoymenh grafeiokratia. Kati poy exei antanaklash kai stoys epixeirhmaties, alla kai stoys polites.

Parallhla, omws, ejasfalizoyme kai diasfalizoyme th diafaneia se olh th diadikasia ths adeiodothshs.

Oi kinhseis aytes, pera apo thn profanh dieykolynsh twn epixeirhmatiwn, synteloyn sth genikoterh beltiwsh toy epixeirhmatikoy periballontos. Dinoyn nea pnoh sthn oikonomia mas. Dinoyn tis stoxeyseis mias anaptyjhs kai synepws th beltiwsh kai ths dieqnoys antagwnistikothtas ths xwra mas. Kati poy apotelei, oytws h allws, kai to meizon zhtoymeno.

Se kaqe tomea ths politikhs, se kaqe epipedo, stoxos mas einai na proxwrame me sxedio, me orama, me orqologiko programmatismo, me apofasistikothta, me isxyrh boylhsh gia rhjeis kai allages kai politikh tolmh, kati poy h kybernhsh to apodeiknyei mesa apo poly dyskoles synqhkes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIDIROGLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eixame ena apotropaio symban to prwi sto kentro ths Aqhnas. H erwthsh einai aplh. Pws skopeyei h kybernhsh na diasfalisei thn asfaleia twn Ellhnwn politwn;

PETALWTHS: Pragmatika, yphrje ena symban to opoio einai anatrixiastiko ws pros th syllhch kai aytwn twn egklhmatiwn poy to eprajan. Egine kai mia megalh syzhthsh, yparxei astynomia, yparxei dhmotikh astynomia me jekaqarismenoys roloys poy afora kai sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, gnwrizoyme oti yparxei egklhmatikothta. Ayto den einai kati kainoyrgio. Prospaqoyme, omws, mesa apo sygkekrimenes diadikasies, na dwsoyme mia nea pnoh sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Sthn kybernhsh, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo Giwrgo Papandreoy, hdh, ginontai synolikes kai syllogikes syzhthseis gia to kentro ths Aqhnas, se kaqe epipedo. Qa einai adiko alla kai monomeres na poyme oti to kentro ths Aqhnas einai qema mono elleichs astynomeyshs h qema mono astynomikwn. Einai qema politistiko, oikonomiko, anaptyjiako, oikistiko, periballontos, safws kai astynomiko. Prospaqwntas na dwsoyme mia allh pnoh sto kentro ths Aqhnas, syntoma qa anakoinwsoyme ta sxedia mas kai qa doyme oti epiteloys, meta apo polles dekaeties, opoy afhname kai sysswreyontan entonotata problhmata sto istoriko kentro ths Aqhnas, dhmioyrghqhke mia katastash h opoia, omws, eytyxws, an kai emoiaze oti einai mh anastrecimh, allazei kai beltiwnetai. Yparxei enas synolikos sxediasmos, prokeimenoy pragmatika na kanoyme jana to kentro ths Aqhnas, oxi aplws prosbasimo, giati den noeitai se sygkekrimena shmeia na mhn einai prosbasimo to kentro, alla elkystiko kai stoys katoikoys ayths ths polhs. Yp` ayth thn ennoia to qema einai polydiastato kai pragmatika elpizoyme oti syntoma, mesa apo anakoinwseis qa fanei kai to sxedio poy exoyme. Kai bebaia qa exei apotelesmata poy qa einai metrhsima kai qa doyme poly syntoma na ylopoioyntai.

KEXAGIA: Kyrie Petalwth, alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti o k. Loberdos eixe enhmerwsei prohgoymenws ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to periexomeno ths parembashs toy h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Den qa apanthsw, fysika, se tetoioy eidoys leptomereies. Ayto poy exw na pw, einai oti h kybernhsh kanei th doyleia ths se poly dyskoles synqhkes. Einai koinh agwnia olwn - kai ayto einai jekaqaro - na pame me syntomes diadikasies kai me diadikasies poy oytws h allws den exoyn kamia sxesh me to parelqon. To ti kanei ayth h kybernhsh fainetai apo ta apotelesmata poy exoyme na deijoyme mesa se 18 mhnes, opoy exoyme anatajei polles asxhmes katastaseis. Exoyme kanei metarryqmiseis kai tomes poy kaneis den mporoyse na dianohqei mexri shmera kai oi opoies, dystyxws, xanontai mesa apo mia lailapa poy yparxei ws pros thn tromokrathsh, mia tromolagneia, enas fobos poy diaxeetai, kati omws poy den mporei na kryftei.

Gia paradeigma: H epanastash toy ``Kallikrath''. Ena neo forologiko systhma to opoio qeloyme na apodidei kai to opoio symplhrwnoyme synexws. To asfalistiko mas systhma to opoio katerree - den eixame na plhrwsoyme syntajeis - exei pleon poly megalo orizonta biwsimothtas kai diasfalizei thn allhleggyh twn epomenwn geniwn. Mia seira apo anaptyjiakes prospaqeies poy qa arxisoyn na fainontai. Ola ayta, einai ergo mias kybernhshs poy mesa se 18-19 mhnes prospaqei na anatajei thn ajiopistia ths xwras, na diwjei thn anajiopistia kai na paragei sygxronws kai ena poly shmantiko ergo. Aytes oi agwnies poy ekfrazontai apo oloys toys ypoyrgoys kai syllogika apo thn kybernhsh, einai akribws h ekfrash ths agwnias toy polith. Ayto antilambanetai kai h kybernhsh. Enswmatwnoyme thn agwnia toy polith, mesa apo th logikh kai th drash mas, na pame grhgora, staqera kai sqenara se megales allages. Ayto kanei ayth h kybernhsh edw kai 18-19 mhnes kai ayto qa synexisei na kanei, poly pio entona.

KEXAGIA: Qa moy epitrecete, omws, na pw oti den einai leptomereia an o k. Papandreoy gnwrize gia thn parembash toy k. Loberdoy.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti den prokeitai na ypeiselqw se leptomereies. Kaqe ypoyrgos exei thn eyqynh aytwn poy leei. Ayto einai jekaqaro. H eyqynh ths xarajhs ths politikhs, alla kai ths efarmoghs ths, einai syllogika ths kybernhshs. Yparxoyn armodiothtes poy einai jekaqares. Apo ekei kai pera, h kybernhsh ekfrazetai dia toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai fysika mesa apo ta qesmika ths organa.

MIXAHL: Eseis qewreite lhjan to qema h o k. Loberdos kinhqhke ektos syllogikhs grammhs ths kybernhshs, diatypwnontas thn apoch toy toso xqes to meshmeri se synenteyjh Typoy poy edwse, oso kai to brady, se thleoptikh toy emfanish;

PETALWTHS: O k. Loberdos, safws kai eipe thn apoch toy. Safws kai ekane tis protaseis toy. H kybernhsh paragei ergo me ton kalytero tropo. Einai mia kybernhsh poy ergazetai se syllogiko epipedo. Ayto, gia mas, einai jekaqaro.

MIXAHL: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw to ejhs, oti einai ligo paradojo osa xronia qymamai sto politiko reportaz, enas ypoyrgos na bgainei se mia synenteyjh Typoy kai na diatypwnei thn politikh toy apoch gia to pws prepei na poreytei h kybernhsh, anti na thn pei eite sta syllogika organa ths kybernhshs, eite na enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo kai na toy pei thn apoch toy. To na thn leei dhmosia, pws to krinete eseis;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa kai xqes s` ayto to zhthma. En pash periptwsei, den asxoloymaste me leptomereies. Gia mas, einai poly shmantiko na prospaqoyme na paragoyme ergo gia th xwra. Ola ta alla einai syzhthseis epi syzhthsewn. Epanalambanw gi` allh mia fora, oti kaqe ypoyrgos einai politikh ontothta. Ekfrazei agwnies kai anhsyxies. To idio symbainei me toys boyleytes kai me ta stelexh toy kommatos mas. Apo ekei kai pera, thn kybernhtikh leitoyrgia thn eggyatai h idia h kybernhsh, ypo ton Prwqypoyrgo, mesa apo syllogikes diadikasies kai me sygkekrimenes draseis.

MPEKA: Me bash ayta poy eipe xqes o k. Loberdos kai h k. Diamantopoyloy gia to miso PA.SO.K., eykola katalabainei kapoios oti yparxei genika sygxysh sthn kybernhsh kai oti merika apo ta ypoyrgika stelexh den symfwnoyn me thn politikh ths kybernhshs. Me mia tetoia katastash mporei na kybernhqei h xwra;

PETALWTHS: Ayth einai mia ektimhsh poy kanete eseis. Kaqenas kanei tis ektimhseis toy. Emeis leme oti ypo tis synqhkes poy doyleyei ayth h kybernhsh, tis pio sklhres poy yphrxan apo thn metapoliteysh kai meta, otan krinontai shmantikotata diakybeymata gia thn idia th xwra, exei deijei oti paragei ergo, toso poy kaneis den mporoyse na fantastei. To idio qa synexisei na kanei. Ayth einai h apoch mas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin apo to atypo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dei mia seira ypoyrgoys kat' idian. Mhpws ayto shmatodotei eperxomeno anasxhmatismo;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kati tetoio. Oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai synanthseis ergasias kai den yparxei tipote pio fysiko apo to na synantatai kai kat' idian kai syllogika o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys toy. As qymhqoyme oti oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me kaqe ypoyrgo h me kapoioys ypoyrgoys, apo thn arxh ayths ths kybernhshs, antimetwpizotan san mia eidhsh. Prwtos o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai oloi emeis exoyme pei - kai apodeijame fysika - oti h doyleia poy ginetai apo ayth thn kybernhsh (synanthseis, synergasies), h syllogikothta, h leitoyrgikothta, einai toso prwtofaneis poy gia mas den apotelei eidhsh mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ypoyrgo h me kapoioys apo toys ypoyrgoys. Kai exoyme apodeijei oti ean apotelei eidhsh, einai qema doyleias, synergasias kai apotelesmatikothtas h opoia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ypoyrgoys.

SPANOY: Qa enhmerwqoyn oi politikoi arxhgoi apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia to mesoproqesmo dhmosionomiko plaisio, otan ayto oristikopoihqei kai egkriqei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

PETALWTHS: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa enhmerwqei, ara, taytoxrona, apo th stigmh poy qa einai dhmosia h enhmerwsh, qa enhmerwqoyn kai oi politikoi arxhgoi. Epifylassomai akomh gia na sas pw th diadikasia. Omws, ofeilw na tonisw kai moy dwsate thn eykairia, oti protoy kan emeis sxediasoyme to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, eixame kalesei me epistolh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy, toys politikoys arxhgoys twn kommatwn na topoqethqoyn panw sto sygkekrimeno mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio, oxi stis dikes mas protaseis oi opoies akomh den eixan diamorfwqei, na mas poyn tis apoceis toys, na mas ypobaloyn tis protaseis toys, na proteinoyn, etsi wste pragmatika to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio to opoio phgainei mexri to 2015 kai jeperna thn koinoboyleytikh qhteia mias kybernhshs, na mporei na einai synistamenh apocewn kai protasewn pollwn politikwn sxhmatwn kai na exei kai thn eyryterh nomimopoihsh kai synainesh. Se ena tetarto sxedon ths wras, aperrican kai h N.D. kai ta ypoloipa kommata, plhn toy k. Koybelh kai ths kas Mpakogiannh, to na paroyn thn eyqynh na syndiamorfwsoyn kai na exoyn telika kai th dynatothta na ekfrasoyn kai tis apoceis toys kai tis protaseis toys mesa ap' ayto to mesoproqesmo sxedio. Epomenws, den qa prepei na jexname to ti exei kanei o kaqenas kai gia to mesoproqesmo kai mesw toy mesoproqesmoy gia th xwra. As mhn perimenoyn ta kommata aplws na krinoyn kai na katakrinoyn kata pasa piqanothta ayto to mesoproqesmo, otan emeis toys kalesame ek twn proterwn na erqoyn kai na apofasisoyn mesa apo sygkekrimenes protaseis gia ena tetoio sxedio poy bgazei th xwra toylaxiston pente xronia mprosta.

KEXAGIA: Kyrie Ypoyrge, isxyei ayto poy mas eipate thn perasmenh ebdomada, oti to mesoproqesmo qa chfisqei apo th Boylh me 151 chfoys;

PETALWTHS: Nai, to exw pei para polles fores kai to idio lew kai twra.

XIDIROGLOY: Ejetazei h kybernhsh to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Den to ejetazoyme. Briskomaste sto ligotero apo th mesh mias kybernhtikhs qhteias. Oi ekloges qa hsan epiblabestates kai poly epizhmies gia th xwra mas. Emeis exoyme na epitelesoyme ena shmantikotato ergo kai twra briskomaste sto stadio ths koryfwshs toy, opws kai sthn koryfwsh mias krishs, h opoia einai para poly baqia kai h opoia, dromologhmena, qa arxisei na ypoxwrei. Exoyme na kanoyme poly ergo mprosta mas, exoyme poly megalo dromo. Kai oxi aplws den yparxei kanenas logos na skeftomaste kai na milame gia ekloges, qa elega malista oti kai mono skech peri eklogwn qa eblapte th xwra.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes akoysa thn kyria Diamantopoyloy na synista ston Prwqypoyrgo na lysei to qema mexri ayrio. Shmera to prwi akoysa ton koinoboyleytiko sas ekproswpo, ton k. Prwtopapa, na leei pws prepei na bgei ena isxyro mhnyma apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, giati mas akoyne sthn Eyrwph kai lambanontai apofaseis. Kai anarwtiemai poies einai aytes oi apofaseis poy lambanontai shmera h ayrio kai kata poson exoyn sxesh me thn ypobaqmish ths xwras apo thn Standard ... Poor' s kai tis synanthseis poy exei shmera o k. Rompai.

PETALWTHS: Balate polla zhthmata mazi. Oi apofaseis poy lambanontai den einai shmera kai ayrio mono, einai oi apofaseis gia to mesoproqesmo, to opoio qa prepei na katateqei sth Boylh stis arxes ths epomenhs ebdomadas. Ara, einai safws poly shmantiko kai poly swsta eipe o k. Prwtopapas oti to mhnyma prepei na einai isxyro kai oi apofaseis tis opoies prepei na paroyme, prepei na einai sobares, prepei na einai metrhmenes kai fysika na einai antajies twn peristasewn stis opoies politeyomaste.

KEXAGIA: Yphrje epikoinwnia, xqes, toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Loberdo; Kai ena deytero erwthma, gia na mhn sas koyrazw: Se periptwsh...Afhste to, qa to pw meta.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, kante to, giati to prwto den qa sas to apanthsw! Dioti den exei nohma na apantame pote mila o Prwqypoyrgos me toys ypoyrgoys toy, yparxoyn, allwste, taktikotates epafes toy. Gi' ayton akribws ton logo, to prwto erwthma sas den xrhzei apanthshs.

KEXAGIA: Epomenws, endexomenws kai na epikoinwnhsan.

PETALWTHS: Kyria Kexagia, den eipa kati tetoio. Den apantw giati den yparxei logos na apanthsw.

KEXAGIA: Kata thn krish sas kai to sebomai.

PETALWTHS: Nai, fysika.

KEXAGIA: To deytero erwthma: O k. Loberdos afhse xqes aixmes gia kapoioys synadelfoys toy sthn kybernhsh, legontas oysiastika oti den einai stratiwtes kai den yphretoyn ayto ton agwna poy exei jekinhsei h kybernhsh. Th symmerizetai ayth thn apoch h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw poioys ennooyse o k. Loberdos. Qa mporoyse kapoios synadelfos sas na rwthsei ton idio. Emeis exoyme na kanoyme me mia kybernhsh, h opoia sysswmh - oxi qewrhtika- agwnia kai ergazetai, exei apodeijei ti mporei na kanei kai ti kanei s' aytoys toys 18 mhnes. Kai fysika, gnwrizoyme poly kala oti ola ta melh ayths ths kybernhshs einai diateqeimena kai protiqentai pragmatika na synexisoyn ayto to poly megalo ergo, to opoio mas exei anaqesei o ellhnikos laos. Kai malista, otan blepoyme oti apo thn apenanti pleyra, thn pleyra ths antipoliteyshs, mono aneparkeia kai aneyqynothta fainontai. Oso, loipon, blepoyme oti oi ypoloipes politikes dynameis einai toylaxiston aneparkeis kai stis perissoteres periptwseis kanoyn kako sth xwra, kanoyn zhmia sth xwra me tis apoceis toys kai me tis protaseis toys - qa elega malista oti protaseis den exoyn kan - toso perissotero dynamwnei ayth h kybernhsh. Giati s' aythn akribws thn kybernhsh emelle na antitajei amarties toy politikoy systhmatos edw kai dekaetiwn kai fysika na bgalei th xwra apo thn xreokopia, na thn swsei kai na thn ferei polles dekaeties mprosta etsi wste na kerdisoyme to xameno edafos. Yp' ayth thn ennoia, h kybernhsh dra syllogika kai synolika kai me apotelesmata, ta opoia kai fainontai hdh, alla qa fainontai kai poly perissotero sto mellon.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1027690135-1305059451=:8770--


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