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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-02-22

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 22 Febroyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 252540829

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 22 Febroyarioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

" H kybernhsh proxwra me gorga bhmata, me synepeia kai apofasistikothta sthn ylopoihsh toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs ths xwras.

Apo thn prwth hmera ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK kai ton Prwqypoyrgo Giwrgo Papandreoy diapistwsame, dystyxws, thn pantelh dialysh twn elegktikwn kai eispraktikwn mhxanismwn toy kratoys apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias.

Katasthsame basikh mas proteraiothta thn anadiarqrwsh toys, wste na ginoyn basiko ergaleio ths anakamchs kai arwgos twn prospaqeiwn twn entimwn forologoymenwn politwn. Ta apotelesmata einai hdh fanera kai apta.

To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, me synexeis elegxoys, mesw ths hlektronikhs diastayrwshs stoixeiwn peripoy 2.200 epixeirhsewn kai me ejairetika gorgoys ryqmoys ejasfalise pws den qa xaqoyn shmantika posa apo to dhmosio, apo ton adhlwto FPA.

Oi elegxoi toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias synexizontai. Diapistwsan me plhqos epitopiwn ereynwn kai katapolemhsan megales spatales se farmakeia, symbeblhmena me ton OGA. Klimakia toy ypoyrgeioy elegxoyn kaqhmerina plhqos epixeirhsewn, diwkontas th gnwsth anasfalisth ergasia. Oi elegktikoi kai eispraktikoi mhxanismoi anadiarqrwnontai, epanaleitoyrgoyn kai tiqentai sthn yphresia toy forologoymenoy polith kai malista se mia tetoia xronikh sygkyria.

To ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai Trofimwn, meta apo endelexeis ereynes, epebale, opws einai gnwsto, bary prostimo se etaireia poy dieqete noqeymena trofima, paraplanwntas toys katanalwtes. Akomh, proxwra sthn idrysh toy diatrofikoy TEIRESIA poy qa diasfalizei kai qa apotrepei paromoies symperifores, etsi wste oi epixeirhseis oi opoies den sebontai thn ygeia toy katanalwth, qa exoyn kai tis analoges synepeies.

H politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs anakoinwnei shmera, nomosxedio gia thn tropopoihsh twn diatajewn toy poqen esxes, me ejatomikeymeno elegxo, ayjhsh twn epapeiloymenwn poinwn, apagoreysh akomh kai emmeshs symmetoxhs se ejwxwries etairies, tis gnwstes off shore etaireies poy tis gnwrizoyme apo to parelqon ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias kai dhmeysh, sterhsh qesewn kai ajiwmatwn kai diatajewn toy Poinikoy Kwdika, poy aforoyn ta egklhmata sxetika me thn yphresia.

H peraiterw anadiarqrwsh kai enisxysh twn mhxanismwn aytwn, diasfalizei ayto poy emeis qewroyme basikh mas proteraiothta kai exei na kanei me th dikaih katanomh olwn twn barwn. Oi aysthroi aytoi elegxoi qa synexistoyn. Qa petyxoyme toys stoxoys mas. Enw to shmantikotero einai oti kanenos sympolith mas oi qysies, den qa pane xamenes.

" Xqes akoysame, se omilia, ton k. Samara kai pragmatika diapistwsame gia allh mia fora posh ypokrisia yparxei ston politiko logo ths hgesias kai twn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ti mas eipe o k. Samaras; Mas milhse gia metra noikokyrematos kai mas eipe oti eprepe na exoyn lhfqei apo tis 5 Oktwbrioy. Ma, ayto poy qa mporoyse na rwthsei kaqe kalopistos poliths einai: Milaei h Nea Dhmokratia; Giati, h shmerinh hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias den exei epelqei apo parqenogenesh. Olh h shmerinh hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias, yphrjan stelexh ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. O k. Samaras htan probeblhmeno stelexos kai epi xronia ypoyrgos ths parelqoysas kybernhshs. Synepws, to na milane shmera gia noikokyrema toy kratoys kai na ypodeiknyoyn metra me ayto ton tropo -giati emeis th synainesh toys, oytws h allws, th qeloyme- pragmatika einai elleich sebasmoy pros ton ellhniko lao.

Kai gia na enhmerwsoyme ton k. Samara, to noikokyrema ths oikonomias, pragmatika arxise apo tis 5 Oktwbrioy. Qa toy qymisoyme oti emeis, ws kybernhsh toy PASOK, pagwsame tis akatasxetes proeklogikes toys epixorhghseis kai ta jeroyn oloi oi ypoyrgoi kai ta stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Balame telos sth leitoyrgia dekadwn emmisqwn kommatikwn epitropwn. Kai otan mas lene oti argoyn na stelexwqoyn, emeis toys symplhrwnoyme oti aytes oi epitropes, oi opoies hdh stelexwnontai, einai pleon amisqes, otan xiliades stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias symmeteixan se aytes tis epitropes kai plhrwnontan misqoys, ektos edras, apozhmiwseis, ejoda parastasews. Emeis balame telos sto aparadekto fainomeno ypoyrgikwn grafeiwn me dekades kinhta thlefwna. Bazoyme telos sthn proklhtikh spatalh me ta kratika aytokinhta. Yphrje enas proxeiros apologismos apo to ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, opoy ta ofelh poy exoyme apo th ryqmish ayth einai panw apo 150.000 eyrw mesa se treis molis mhnes. Bazoyme telos stoys roysfetologikoys diorismoys sto dhmosio.

Ayta, arage, o k. Samaras den ta blepei kai mas systhnei na paroyme metra, ta opoia eprepe na paroyme apo tis 5 Oktwbrioy kai amesws meta;

Egw qa kanw mia aplh erwthsh, h opoia fysika einai rhtorikh: Ayta ta metra giati den ta eipe o k. Samaras sthn kybernhsh sthn opoia symmeteixe, gia na ta paroyn oxi stis 5 Oktwbrioy, na ta paroyn stis 5 Aygoystoy, stis 5 Septembrioy, akomh kai stis 3 Oktwbrioy; Kai jafnika anakalyce h hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias oti ayta ta metra emeis ta pairnoyme kaqysterhmena; As sebomaste ligo kai ton ellhniko lao, epanalambanw.

Se mia apostrofh toy logoy toy o k. Samaras, anaferei oti den mporeis na straggaliseis thn oikonomia gia na thn ejygianeis. Ta pentemisi xronia diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias, se ti epipedo kai se ti katastash antagwnistikothtas briskotan h xwra; Na sas anaferw xarakthristika oti mesa se ayta ta pente xronia, h dieqnhs antagwnistikothta ths xwras mas epese kata 35 oloklhres qeseis, meta akomh kai apo thn Mpotsoyana kai to Kazakstan. Ayta den ta gnwrizei h Nea Dhmokratia kai milaei shmera oti emeis den prowqoyme thn antagwnistikothta ths oikonomias mas; Otan anaferei h hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias oti den mporeis na dialyseis thn koinwnia gia na th swseis, as mhn jexname oti epi pentemisi xronia ekaleito o ellhnikos laos na ypostei qysies kai to ekane pragmatika, me apotelesma oles aytes oi qysies na pane sto bronto.

E, loipon emeis, gi` ayto leme oti allazoyme selida. Kai ayto akribws kanoyme. Kai otan leme, shmera ston ellhniko lao oti anagkastika qa prepei na paroyme kapoies apofaseis, oi opoies qa einai epwdynes, emeis koitame sto apotelesma: Oti aytes oi apofaseis den qa pane sto bronto, aytes oi apofaseis kai oi dyskoles synepeies poy qa exoyn ston Ellhna polith, pragmatika qa piasoyn topo gia na swsoyn thn oikonomia mas. Gi` ayto, gia allh mia fora, zhtame thn pragmatikh synainesh apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Zhtame na katanohsei thn katastash sthn opoia brisketai h xwra, me dikh ths basika eyqynh kai apo ekei kai pera, protoy h hgesia ths Neas Dhmokratias asxolhqei me ta metra  ypotiqetai- poy qa eprepe na paroyme ws kybernhsh, na mporesei na apologhqei ston ellhniko lao, stoixeiwdws, estw, giati mas efere se ayth th dyskolh katastash.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayto poy diapistwnei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, peri kaqysterhsews lhchs metrwn sto pentamhno diakybernhshs toy PASOK, diapistwnetai kai katagrafetai kai se dhmoskophseis poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas to Sabbatokyriako, opoy oi polites, se prwth fash, apantoyn oti ta metra parqhkan kaqysterhmena kai se deyterh fash, miloyn gia forologika metra ta opoia den katanemoyn ta barh me dikaio tropo.

PETALWTHS: Panw ap` ola na kanw ena diaxwrismo: Se ayta poy eipe h Nea Dhmokratia, apanthsa. Ws pros tis dhmoskophseis, oi opoies pragmatika einai ena ergaleio na katagrafoyn thn apoch ths koinhs gnwmhs, thn apoch twn politwn, se sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh kai me ta erwthmata poy fysika tiqentai stis dhmoskophseis, ayto poy exw na pw einai oti, ma emeis exoyme ena sxedio, to opoio omws logw ths ektakths oikonomikhs kai politikhs sygkyrias thn opoia zoyme  kai oi eyqynes einai gnwstes, se poion anhkoyn- pragmatika, prospaqoyme na to prosarmosoyme kaqe mera kai na to kanoyme pio hpio. Emeis, ep` oydeni eixame skopo kai ep` oydeni qelame na paroyme metra, etsi opws mas systhnei h Nea Dhmokratia. Metra ta opoia qa htan sklhra kai xwris apotelesma. Gi` ayto akribws ejantloyme ola ta periqwria epieikeias, me pollh periskech kai analogizomaste tis katastaseis, diapragmateyomenoi sygxronws kai mesa sta organa ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, zhtwntas thn politikh sthrijh, etsi wste sto telos, na exoyme deijei ekeinh thn politikh symperifora poy qa qigei to ligotero dynato, ton aplo polith. Qelw na teleiwsw, legontas oti to na yparjei mia ektimhsh gia to an phrame nwris h swsta metra kai poia metra -ayto einai ena poly megalo erwthmatiko- qa prepei na teleiwsei ayth h krish thn opoia pername. Qa prepei hdh na arxisoyn na fainontai apotelesmata kai tote eimaste sigoyroi oti o ellhnikos laos qa to ektimhsei. Kati poy oytws h allws kanei, giati apo thn empeiria poy exoyme kai apo thn epafh olwn twn stelexwn me ton aplo polith, einai oti  to exoyme pei polles fores- o aplos poliths deixnei wrimothta, deixnei na antilambanetai kai deixnei na qelei pragmatika na symmeristei thn politikh ths kybernhshs sthn allagh selidas kai se epipedo symperiforwn kai se epipedo politikhs gia th xwra mas.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na ginete ligo pio sygkekrimenos kai na mas aposafhnisete poios einai o pragmatikos sxediasmos ths kybernhshs; Giati to Sabbatokyriako diabasame sxedon pantoy, kai shmera to prwi pali se ola ta prwtoselida, gia ena daneio ycoys 25 dis eyrw poy epidiwkei h skeftetai na zhthsei me kapoio tropo kai me eyrwpaikes eggyhseis h kybernhsh. Isxyei ayto; Poia einai h skech ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to daneio twn 25 dis eyrw exei paraxqei apo ton jeno Typo kai exei anaparaxqei apo ta egxwria MME. Thn pagia qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, thn ekfrazei o Prwqypoyrgos kai ta melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy me kaqe eykairia: Emeis den zhtame xrhmata -kai malista dwrean xrhmata- apo kanenan. Emeis ayth th stigmh zhtame politikh sthrijh apo toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, zhtame ton stoixeiwdh politiko xrono, etsi wste na apodwsei to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs. Kai menoyme monon ekei.

POLYMEROS: Apo katabolhs ths eyrwzwnhs ta statistika stoixeia poy kateqetan oi kybernhseis, oxi monon oi dikes mas alla kai oi kybernhseis twn allwn xwrwn  den to lew egw, to lene ta dhmosieymata kai kapoies stigmes to exoyn ekmysthreyqei kai stelexh- den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta. Giati twra exei piasei tetoia premoyra gia na bgoyn pros ta ejw ayta kai giati h xwra mas na einai ypologh gi` ayta ta stoixeia. Eimaste oi monadikoi poy exoyme parapoihsei stoixeia;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia nomikh qewria poy leei oti den mporoyme na zhtame isothta sthn paranomia kai thn adikia. Ara, gia emas to qema den einai na poyme ``na, kai oi alloi paranomhsan''. To qema einai na mhn paranomoyme emeis. Me pasa epignwsh, omws, emeis leme -sxetika me tis fhmes oti mphkame sthn ONE me parapoihmena stoixeia-: Yparxoyn apodeijeis oti emeis mphkame sthn ONE me to spaqi mas. Yparxoyn apodeijeis oti emeis diname sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh ta swsta kai pragmatika stoixeia. Sto ean pragmatika diname parapoihmena h alloiwmena stoixeia to teleytaio xroniko diasthma, yparxei ena porisma poy exei katateqei sthn ellhnikh Boylh. Ena porisma poy prokalese o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Papakwnstantinoy, apo anejarthtoys empeirognwmones. Ayto to porisma proklhqhke me prwtoboylia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, xwris kaneis allos na mas to zhthsei. Emeis qeloyme na mhn egkaloymaste oyte apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oyte apo kanenan allon pagkosmio etairo, gia ta oikonomika stoixeia poy paroysiazoyme. Ekei einai h eyqynh pleon ths ellhnikhs Politeias: Na qesei kanones tetoias symperiforas, wste pragmatika apo edw kai pera na mhn eimaste ypologoi kai na mhn janabreqoyme se ayth th dyskolh qesh, poy briskomaste shmera, se epipedo ajiopistias. Einai mia katastash poy th biwnoyme oloi. Kai prwta ap` ola th biwnoyme emeis ws kybernhsh otan phgainoyme sto ejwteriko, to na mhn ginomaste pisteytoi. Einai omws sto xeri mas na teqoyn ekeines oi asfalistikes dikleides poy den qa epitrepoyn se kanenan ypallhlo h se kanena politiko, na entelei kapoion ypallhlo, etsi wste na dinoyme parapoihmena stoixeia opoy prepei na ta dinoyme.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws krinete th metrologia poy kaqhmerina katagrafetai sta MME; Kai telika, poio kentro ths kybernhshs diarreei ayta ta metra poy dhmosieyontai stis efhmerides h anaferontai sta kentrika deltia eidhsewn twn kanaliwn;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei kai dikh mas ekplhjh otan diabazoyme prwtoselida efhmeridwn h akoyme se kapoia deltia eidhsewn gia metra, ta opoia ypotiqetai oti exoyme apofasisei, otan den exoyn syzhthqei pote se epipedo kybernhshs kai oyte kan yparxei tetoia skech. Kai malista, mporw na pw oti ayth h aperanth metrologia poy diakineitai, mono kako kanei sth xwra mas, giati briskomaste se mia periodo poly reysth oikonomika. Mia periodo poy xreiazetai na fainetai oti yparxei staqerothta, mia periodo poy xreiazetai na deixnoyme kai pros ta ejw oti h apofasistikothta einai to kyriarxo oplo ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Diarroes se epipedo kybernhshs den yparxoyn. Ean kapoioi yphresiakoi paragontes diarreoyn, ayto einai ena zhthma to opoio ofeiloyme na elegxoyme oloi mas, eite eimaste MME, eite anagnwstes. Kai gi` ayto akribws dhmioyrgeitai kai mia aisqhsh ston kosmo, ston aplo polith, oti kaqe hmera lambanontai sklhra metra, enw den lambanontai. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

SPANOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den yparxei kamia syzhthsh gia to endexomeno ayjhshs toy FPA, neoy foroy sta kaysima kai peraiterw meiwshs epidomatwn stoys misqoys twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxei kamia apofash, den exei anakoinwqei kati tetoio. Yparxei kai desmeysh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti prwta qa ajiologhsoyme thn katastash ws pros thn poreia toy Programmatos Staqerothtas kai tote qa syzhthsoyme gia na doyme ean qa paroyme kainoyrgies apofaseis, etsi wste na mporesoyme na enisxysoyme thn poreia ths ylopoihshs. Edw kai tesseris mhnes kaqe hmera akoyme gia metra, metra, metra. Metra poy polles fores den exoyn syzhthqei kan.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na mpei loipon ena freno apo pleyras kybernhshs se o,ti afora thn aperanth metrologia, opws eipate, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs eiste se qesh na diaceysete oti braxyproqesma den yparxei qema FPA, perikophs epidomatwn, 14oy misqoy h allwn metrwn peran twn oswn exoyn anakoinwqei. Dioti h kybernhsh mporei na leei sthn paroysa fash, opws poly kala eipate, oti den yparxei tetoia apofash, alla mporei na diaceysei h kybernhsh oti yparxei tetoia syzhthsh;

PETALWTHS: Antilambaneste oti ean fqasoyme na diaceydoyme ta ypotiqemena metra, den qa kanoyme tipote allo apo to na to diaceydoyme. Emeis menoyme se ayta poy leme. Menoyme se ayta poy syzhta kai o Prwqypoyrgos me tis jenes kybernhseis, me toys etairoys mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai se ayta poy leei kai to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs. H apofash mas einai na mporesoyme na ylopoihsoyme to megalo mas stoixhma poy einai to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs kai menoyme ekei. Den yparxei kanenas logos na diaceydoyme kaqe fora poy akoyme oti qa laboyme kapoio metro.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy eipate oti exete paralabei ena kratos ypo dialysh, giati tote den exete allajei, as poyme, epikefalhs stis DOY, poy einai o eispraktikos braxionas kai paizontai kai diafora paixnidia ekei, me olo ayto to systhma poy epikratei;

PETALWTHS: Opws gnwrizete, jekinhsame mia diadikasia, th diadikasia ths anoixths diakybernhshs. Omws, apo ekei kai pera opoia kaqysterhsh fainetai oti yparxei  kai pragmatika qa yparxei kaqysterhsh se sxesh me to ti ginotan sto parelqon- emeis frontizoyme na thn anaplhrwnoyme me to ergo poy paragei kaqe yphresia. Gia emas to zhtoymeno einai na yparxei apotelesma. Kai opws anakoinwse kai o Genikos Grammateas toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, ta esoda fainetai oti exoyn qetiko proshmo. Kai as meinoyme se ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, stelexwnontai me ton kalytero tropo oles oi yphresies, oles ekeines oi kratikes qeseis poy prokhryxqhkan mesw ths anoixths diakybernhshs.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na sas rwthsw, poios htan o stoxos toy tajidioy ths k. Katselh sto Ampoy Ntampi, gia to opoio eikazw oti syzhta ayth th stigmh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Symmerizeste thn apoch oti h kybernhsh exei eikona Babel;

PETALWTHS: To ergo ths kybernhshs mila apo mono toy. Mia kybernhsh krinetai apo to ergo poy paragei. To ergo poy paragetai ayth th stigmh, pragmatika einai ena ergo poy mesa se tesseris mhnes, synolika, einai megalytero, einai poiotika anwtero apo to ergo poy parhgagan polles prohgoymenes kybernhseis sto parelqon, kai malista mesa se toso antijoes synqhkes. H kybernhsh apoteleitai apo ypoyrgoys poy ergazontai sklhra, apo ypoyrgoys poy exoyn mia politikh symperifora antajia ths ideologias poy yperaspizontai mesa apo thn kybernhsh mas. Nomizw oti ayto to gnwrizei kai to anagnwrizei o ellhnikos laos. Apo ekei kai pera, h k. Katselh, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias, exei ekdwsei sxetikh anakoinwsh gia thn episkech sto Ntoympai mazi me ton k. Pampoykh. To ellhniko Anaptyjiako Tameio einai ayto to opoio xrhmatodoteitai me diaforoys tropoys, mesa apo tajidia poy qa proselkyoyn ependytes kai apo prosklhseis poy pragmatika qa mas kanoyn pio antagwnistikoys ws xwra. Pisteyoyme oti einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai akribws ayto to tajidi eixe ayth thn kateyqynsh. Diereynhqhkan oi dynatothtes anaptyjiakhs synergasias twn dyo xwrwn kai h piqanh symmetoxh toy Ampoy Ntampi sto ellhniko Anaptyjiako Tameio. Yparxei malista mia seira apo tomeis opoy syzhthqhkan qemata synergasias, opws einai o tomeas twn kataskeywn, opoy h Ellada diaqetei shmantikh texnognwsia poy apekthse kai logw ths diorganwshs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, o tomeas toy politismoy, o koinwnikos tomeas se epipedo paideias kai ygeias kai mia seira apo metra kai tomeis opoy qa mporoyse na yparxei mia poly shmantikh synergasia metajy twn dyo xwrwn.

FOYRLHS: Qa mporoysate na mas dwsete mia eikona gia to klimakio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy jekina an katalaba kala ayrio to prwi doyleia, se synergasia me to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Se ti qa synistatai h koinh toys prospaqeia h h synergasia ayth sthn paroysa fash;

PETALWTHS: To klimakio, apoteloymeno apo stelexh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas kai toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, pragmatopoiei mia taktikh episkech sth xwra mas. Bebaiws qa toy parasxeqoyn oles ekeines oi dieykolynseis, etsi wste na diapistwsei thn poreia ylopoihshs toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, alla kai thn anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras. Aytos einai o rolos toy kai gi` ayto brisketai edw.

STRATAKHS: Ayto to klimakio qa tyxei ths ``ypodoxhs'' poy etyxe kai to prohgoymeno klimakio epitropwn kai texnokratwn apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh; Dhladh, qa exoyme ypoyrgoys poy qa dexontai h den qa dexontai to klimakio h yparxei kapoia ntirektiba oti mpainoyme mesa kai ta koitazoyme ola xwris periorismoys;

PETALWTHS: To klimakio ayto apoteleitai apo ypallhloys twn triwn organwn poy sas anefera kai fysika qa epitelesei to ergo toy se ayto to epipedo.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na epanelqw sto erwthma synadelfoy: Ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs synolika sas prosaptoyn thn kathgoria oti se kaqe periptwsh, oso kai an einai aparaithta ta metra, qa baloyn freno sthn agora. H Nea Dhmokratia to leei ``straggalisma'', alla kommata to lene ``freno sthn koinwnia''. Qelw na sas rwthsw eyqews: Yparxei qema gia thn kybernhsh se o,ti afora thn k. Katselh kai to basiko moxlo anaptyjhs poy einai to ESPA; Exei ``trejei'' pente mhnes to ESPA; Yfistatai qema gia thn k. Katselh; Giati apo th mia pleyra pairnete ta metra, apo thn allh prepei na yparjei kai anaptyjiakos moxlos.

PETALWTHS: Oxi aplws den yparxei qema gia thn k. Katselh, alla sthn kybernhsh h k. Katselh kineitai me enan tropo poy dinei pragmatika protypa pros oloys mas, apo th stigmh poy to kyrio baros ths anaptyjiakhs poreias ths xwras mas to exei to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias toy opoioy proistatai h k. Katselh. Se sxesh me to ESPA, gnwrizoyme poly kala -gia na anaferqw pio eidika- oti to ESPA einai ena eyrwpaiko programma me xroniko orizonta apo to 2007 ews to 2013. Kai to 2010 h aporrofhtikothta apo to ESPA einai molis 3,1%. Exoyme qesei ws stoxo: Mesa sto 2010 kai me aytes tis synqhkes na exoyme aporrofhtikothta toylaxiston 15%. Epeidh brhkame ena qesmiko plaisio poy htan teleiws antiparagwgiko kai teleiws afilojeno, etsi wste na anaptyxqoyn draseis mesa apo to ESPA, gi` ayto akribws to ypoyrgeio Oikonomias exei labei mia seira apo nomoqetikes prwtoboylies, exei apofasistei, exei paroysiastei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h aplopoihsh kai h apokentrwsh toy, etsi wste pragmatika na ``trejei'' me ton kalytero tropo. Kai bebaiws, yparxei enas programmatismos diaforetikwn stoxwn apo to ESPA, etsi wste ta xrhmata apo ayto to eyrwpaiko programma na einai stoxeymena, na phgainoyn se draseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me thn prasinh anaptyjh. Se draseis poy pragmatika xreiazetai h ellhnikh oikonomia. Kyrio melhma ths kybernhshs einai h dhmioyrgia enos pedioy kai enos topioy kyriws anaptyjiakoy, giati gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti aytes oi dyskoles apofaseis poy pairnoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, ean den synodeytoyn apo analoghs barythtas anaptyjiakes prospaqeies, qa epelqei yfesh. Kai emeis ayto to gnwrizoyme kai se ayth thn prooptikh kai kateyqynsh kinoymaste.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas diakoptw, zhtw sygnwmh kaq` yperbash. Epeidh prosaptoyn sthn k. Katselh oti enw exei paroysiasei kai enw exoyn syzhthqei se Ypoyrgiko Symboylio gi` ayto to qema, oi draseis gia to ESPA, ekkremei to nomoqethma, to nomosxedio.

PETALWTHS: Antilambaneste oti gia na ftasei na syzhthqei sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ena nomosxedio, einai etoimo. Ean yparxoyn kapoies leptomereies oi opoies prepei na ryqmistoyn, einai qema xronoy na ryqmistoyn. Na gnwrizoyme poly kala oti me apla nomoqethmata den lynontai shmantika zhthmata toy topoy mas. Ta nomoqethmata einai aplws ergaleia gia na yparjei anaptyjh. Einai ergaleia gia na mporesoyn na bohqhsoyn thn paragwgikh diadikasia. Kai gi` ayto akribws lew oti oi nomoqetikes prwtoboylies oi opoies oloklhrwnontai, oytws h allws, einai ena prwto bhma. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei kai h politikh boylhsh na trejoyme ston tomea ths anaptyjhs oso perissotero mporoyme. Ejalloy kai to prosfato tajidi ths k. Katselh me ton k. Pampoykh, kineitai mesa se ayto to plaisio proselkyshs ependytwn, dhmioyrgias anaptyjiakoy pedioy kai oramatos.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: H apergia ths Tetarths qa paijei kapoio rolo sth diamorfwsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs to epomeno diasthma; Dhladh, qa labete ypoch tis koinwnikes antidraseis;

PETALWTHS: Emeis gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti oi apofaseis poy pairnoyme, polles fores, einai epwdynes. Oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizoyn para poly kala oti eimaste anagkasmenoi na laboyme kapoies apofaseis, kai oti pragmatika prospaqoyme na ejantlhsoyme  kai to kanoyme ayto- kaqe dynatothta poy exoyme, etsi wste na plhgei to ligotero o aplos Ellhnas poliths. Oi antidraseis me kapoies apergiakes kinhtopoihseis einai qemites. H apergia, opws exoyme pei kai allh fora, einai iero dikaiwma. Einai, omws, iero kaqhkon, epishs, na synaisqanqoyme oloi mas tis eyqynes poy mas dhmioyrgei ayth h xronikh sygkyria. Einai poly shmantiko na antilhfqoyme oloi mas oti den yparxei pleon xronos kai xwros, eidika se ayth thn periodo, oyte diekdikhtiko plaisio na bazoyme, oyte aithmata ta opoia pragmatika, yperbainoyn shmera tis dynatothtes ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Antiqetws -kai pisteyoyme oti ginetai ayto pera apo tis opoies apergiakes kinhtopoihseis- o ellhnikos laos symmerizetai thn politikh ths kybernhshs, synaisqanomenos thn eyqynh toy.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas eixa rwthsei gia ta dhmosieymata twn Financial Times. Den qelate na sxoliasete. Ayth th fora exoyme ena megalo germaniko periodiko to Focus, to opoio sthn prwth selida, sto prwto toy qema, mas xarakthrizei ``apatewnes'' ths eyrwpaikhs oikogeneias kai exei ws ejwfyllo thn Afrodith ths Mhloy skepasmenh me thn ellhnikh shmaia na kanei mia apreph kinhsh. Qelete na to sxoliasete ayto;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti apo mono toy, etsi opws moy perigrafete to ejwfyllo kai opws kai egw to exw antilhfqei, apantaei sto kata poso einai ajio sxoliasmoy h oxi. As mhn jexname oti par` oles tis agkylwseis poy exoyme, par` oles tis dysleitoyrgies, par` olh thn asxhmh katastash thn opoia pername, emeis, ws xwra, exoyme kataferei na briskomaste, toylaxiston, mexri se ena xroniko shmeio, se ena ejairetiko epipedo. Emeis eimaste aytoi oi opoioi diorganwsame Olympiakoys Agwnes protypo gia mia mikrh xwra, opws einai h Ellada. Emeis eimaste aytoi oi opoioi exoyme kanei terastia bhmata. Mphkame me to spaqi mas sto sklhro pyrhna ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, sthn eyrwzwnh. Apo ekei kai pera, tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata, einai anajia sxoliasmoy.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy sygklinoyn oles oi plhrofories oti mporei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai kyriws o gallogermanikos ajonas na trofodothsei thn ellhnikh oikonomia me 20-25 disekatommyria eyrw daneio, qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Yparxoyn dyo logikes. H mia logikh, einai ean kai efoson eggyatai, opws poly syxna leei h kybernhsh oti qa perikocei tis dapanes, qa symmazecei th spatalh, qa noikokyrecei to kratos -kai malista, an den apatwmai, exete balei ena plafon dietias gia oloklhrwsh aytoy toy sxedioy- kata poson skefteste na parete ayto to daneio kai apo th stigmh poy eiste sigoyroi oti qa perikocete tis spatales kai tis dapanes, oles oi xwres ths eyrwzwnhs einai daneismenes kai na mh thn plhrwsei pali to ellhniko noikokyrio. To skeftetai etsi h kybernhsh; Dhladh, to daneio den einai kako. To daneio poy spataleitai einai kako. An peristaloyn oi dapanes ta xrhmata poy xanontai se ``mayres trypes'', ola ayta gia ta opoia kathgoreite thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, tote kaqe daneio mporei na apoplhrwqei. To skeftetai h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Otan h kybernhsh exei anagkh na daneistei, daneizetai. Ayto einai mia arxh. Kai fysika, opws eipate, me thn parametro oti toylaxiston, emeis eggyomaste oti aytos o daneismos qa piasei kai topo. Giati o daneismos, opws gnwrizoyme, einai daneismos poy plhrwnetai. Kai polles fores, plhrwnetai me epitokia ta opoia pragmatika einai dysbastaxta gia ton ellhniko lao. Ara, qa prepei otan daneizomaste, na daneizomaste me perissh skech kai kyriws na kateyqynoyme ta xrhmata toy daneismoy se tetoioy eidoys drasthriothtes kai draseis, oi opoies pragmatika qa piasoyn topo. Kai ayth einai h diafora mas apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Emeis eggyomaste oti opoiodhpote daneio xreiastei na kanoyme, qa piasei topo gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai thn ellhnikh koinwnia.

FOYRLHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh, jekinwntas mas paraqesate mia seira apo draseis poy exoyn apodwsei h kata th gnwmh sas katateinoyn se qetiko apotelesma kyriws apo elegktikes yphresies. Kai eipate oti proxwrate se anasystash kai epanorqwsh twn mhxanismwn poy eixan ekleicei. Qelete na mas peite poio einai to mhnyma; Dhladh, yparxei kapoio mhnyma sthn agora; Oti jekinaei mia diaforetikh elegktikh diadikasia kai oti kaqenas qa prepei na to skeftetai dyo h treis fores; Kai epipleon qeloyme na mas peite, emeis jeroyme, peran toy elegxoy aytoy kaqe aytoy, o stoxos gia ton opoio profanws ginontai einai giati kynhgate stoxoys. Exete stoixeia mexri twra; Toys stoxoys toys pianei to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn me ta esoda kyriws;

PETALWTHS: Yphrje kai anakoinwsh oti ta esoda einai qetika ws pros to stoxo poy eixe teqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn. Bebaiws to melhma mas einai diplo. Prwta apo ola na yparjei anaptyjh, na yparjei reystothta sthn agora. Na mporoyn na doyleyoyn oi Ellhnes epaggelmaties, na yparxei forologhtea ylh. Kai apo kei kai pera ayth h forologhtea ylh, pragmatika na apodidetai sto pososto poy prepei na apodidetai sto ellhniko kratos. Qa prepei -kai aytos einai o stoxos mas- na apodidetai oso mporei se megalytero pososto o FPA, o opoios dystyxws logw ths dialyshs twn eispraktikwn mhxanismwn den apodidetai etsi opws eprepe na ginei. Kai fysika na mporei na kataballetai o foros apo toys Ellhnes polites, giati xwris esoda ena kratos den mporei na askhsei thn politikh toy se epipedo koinwniko kai se alla epipeda, sta opoia pragmatika shmera yparxei megalh ysterhsh. Nomizw oti me mia paraqesh twn stoixeiwn, poy qa kanei oytws h allws to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, qa peistoyme kiolas osoi anarwtiomaste oti aytoi oi stoxoi pragmatika, oxi aplws einai stoxoi efiktoi, alla einai stoxoi oi opoioi logw toy politikoy kai yphresiakoy sxediasmoy toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy einai efiktoi stoxoi kai to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn mporei kai toys katakta.

STRATAKHS: Mas eixate pei gia forologikoys, gia eispraktikoys mhxanismoys, gia prospaqeies na perioristei h eisforodiafygh, h eisforokloph kai h forokloph. Den exoyme akoysei omws tipote, oson afora gia ton elegxo ths agoras h kai eseis pisteyete sthn aytoryqmish ths agoras giati den mporoyn px polyeqnika katasthmata na exoyn poly ychloteres times sthn Ellada apo oti se alles xwres me diplasio misqo. Qa parembei sthn agora h kybernhsh; Skeftetai na parembei kai pws qa mporoyse na parembei;

PETALWTHS: Hdh to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias me thn k. Katselh exei sthsei parathrhthrio timwn. Hdh ginetai ergo pros aythn thn kateyqynsh. Gnwrizoyme omws poly kala oti epeidh yparxei mia isorropia sthn agora - kai prepei na yparxei  opoiadhpote ryqmish prepei na ginetai me enan tropo poy na einai prosektikos, etsi wste na einai apodotikos. Kyrio melhma mas einai h prostasia toy Ellhna katanalwth kai se epipedo timwn kai se epipedo poiothtas. Kai to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias toylaxiston se epipedo timwn, pragmatika parakoloyqei thn agora mesa sto poly megalo ergo poy exoyme na kanoyme. As mhn jexname oti briskomaste se mia periodo, opoy yparxoyn poly megala, anoixta zhthmata. Zhthmata poly megalhs zwtikhs shmasias ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, poy qa mporoysan tetoioy eidoys zhthmata na qewroyntai deytereyonta. Emeis omws  kai to exoyme pei polles fores  anoigoyme ola ta megala zhthmata, kai ena apo ta megala zhthmata poy exoyme anoijei, einai h prostasia toy katanalwth kai se epipedo timwn kai poiothtas. Kai na analogistoyme oti briskomaste akoma sthn arxh. Ayto den prepei na to jexname.

STRATAKHS: Opws epishs den prepei na jexname oti h agorastikh dynamh toy Ellhna, einai safws mikroterh ejaitias ayths ths arryqmias poy epikratei sthn agora kai ayto den einai dikh moy diapistwsh, einai diapistwsh olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn. Kai qa hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei proqesh na yparjei mia isostaqmish, an mporoyse na pei kaneis me thn apwleia eisodhmatos apo perikopes poy akoyme, me mia symfwnia kyriwn, poy palaiotera akoygame sthn agora, idiaitera, me ta super market, poy einai enas poly megalos katanalwtikos xwros h an yparxoyn kapoia alla metra elegxoy kai ayjhshs twn poinwn se agoranomikes parembaseis, poy mesa se ayto to plegma, mporei kapoios na ryqmisei thn agora.

PETALWTHS: To Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias hdh kanei mia ejairetikh doyleia ws pros ayto. Oytws h allws h k. Katselh kai to oikonomiko epiteleio exei taktikes synanthseis me oloys toys foreis ths agoras kai kineitai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ws pros thn agoranomikh prostasia -kai ayto poy anakoinwsa sthn arxh, poy exei kanei to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, na epiballei mia poly baria poinh se mia etaireia galaktokomikwn ekei- entassetai sth prostasia toy katanalwth kai sth ryqmish ths agoras. Kai h poiothta exei amesh sxesh me tis times, kai fysika h meiwsh ths agorastikhs dynamhs toy katanalwth, den ofeiletai mono sth mh ryqmish ths agoras, ofeiletai se mia oikonomikh politikh, h opoia akoloyqhqhke ta teleytaia xronia, h opoia pragmatika apocilwse thn agorastikh ikanothta toy Ellhna polith.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Afoy prospaqei h kybernhsh na ftiajei elegktikoys mhxanismoys, na ryqmisei thn agora, sth prosfath apergia twn benzinopwlwn, poios htan o elegxos, estw kai enas elegxos, poy ekane to armodio Ypoyrgeio gia na mh ftasei se polla benzinadika entos ths Attikhs, 1,60 eyrw h benzinh;

PETALWTHS: Kai omws sas enhmerwnw kai qa anakoinwqei oti eginan polloi elegxoi gia na apofeyxqei to legomeno stokarisma twn kaysimwn, etsi wste na mhn yparxei megalh aisxrokerdeia. Otan, omws, exoyme na kanoyme me mia megalh agora opws einai ta kaysima  to exw pei kai allh fora  ekei xreiazetai mia rizikh anadiarqrwsh. Gnwrizoyme oti sta kaysima yparxei poly megalo periqwrio laqremporioy kai se ayth th genikoterh kateyqynsh ths patajhs aytoy toy laqremporioy, kineitai h kybernhsh.

LIONAKHS: Symfwnei h kybernhsh me to mhnyma poy esteile o Proedros ths Dhmokratias xqes, afhnontas kapoies aixmes sth Germanida Kagkelario oti qa prepei na koitazei kai ta dika ths adynata shmeia kai oxi mono ths Elladas.

PETALWTHS: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias pantote kanei sofes kai sebastes protaseis kai ekfrazei apoceis. Ekeino bebaia poy einai ena genikotero zhthma, einai oti otan milame gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh qa prepei ayto poy onomazoyme allhleggyh metajy twn xwrwn na to kanoyme kai prajh . Kai h Ellada  as mhn jexname  oti exei symballei me ton tropo ths se dyskoles katastaseis kai allwn xwrwn kai mia tetoia dyskolh kai synqeth katastash htan h enopoihsh twn dyo Germaniwn. Opoy h Germania katafere, bebaia, kai enopoihqhke me enan poly shmantiko tropo, yphrxe omws h sthrijh kai apo oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opws htan kai ypoxrewsh toys.

Sas eyxaristw.


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