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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-08-31

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 31 Aygoystoy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 286683471

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 31 Aygoystoy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Briskomaste sth mesh mias terastias eqnikhs prospaqeias. Mias prospaqeias poy skopo exei oxi mono na bgoyme apo thn krish, alla kai na proxwrhsoyme oles ekeines tis megales rizikes allages se kratos, koinwnia kai oikonomia poy qa qesoyn tis baseis gia thn oysiastikh kai pragmatikh anamorfwsh ths xwras mas.

H ejaleich xroniwn paqogeneiwn, parwxhmenwn pelateiakwn logikwn kai taktikwn, h diarkhs anazhthsh ths koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs, twn koinwnikwn aytomatismwn, h epanafora toy polith sto epikentro ths politikhs, einai oi makroproqesmoi stoxoi mas. Kai ekptwseis se aytes den xwrane.

Einai zhtoymeno ths koinwnias, h opoia ypo tis trexoyses peristaseis, me thn wrimothta poy epideiknyei, mas pernaei to mhnyma - kai ayto isxyei gia oles tis politikes dynameis- oti epizhta aytes tis oysiastikes allages, oti epiqymei na dei th xwra na pairnei mia diaforetikh poreia. Mia poreia newn proodeytikwn, sygxronwn domwn poy sthrizetai sth diafaneia toy dhmosioy bioy, sth forologikh dikaiosynh, sthn eyryqmh leitoyrgia ths Paideias kai ths Ygeias.

Kyriws omws sth dhmioyrgia kai thn anadeijh mias neas nootropias poy hdh diepei toys Ellhnes polites kai poy apotrepei thn epanafora stis gnwstes se oloys katastaseis poy mas odhghsan ws edw.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh den katalaba kala, k. Ekproswpe, poioi einai oi logoi eyqijias poy odhghsan thn k. Sioyth na ypobalei paraithsh kai na ginei apodekth ayth h paraithsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: H anakoinwsh poy ejedwse to grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai analytikotath kai perigrafei thn olh katastash. Yphrje mia eishghsh ths k. Sioyth gia to sygkekrimeno nomiko. H eishghsh ayth egine dekth. Apo th stigmh omws poy gia logoys deontologias, parolo poy den apaiteitai ws typiko proson na yparxei ekplhrwsh twn stratiwtikwn ypoxrewsewn, apofasisthke na mhn proxwrhsei h proslhch. H k. Sioyth ypebale thn paraithsh ths h opoia kai egine dekth.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Poios elegxei thn telikh katastash twn proslhfqentwn; Dhladh, h k. Sioyth ekane mia eishghsh h kapoios allos, mia filh ths opws diabasa oti leei h idia, thn telikh epilogh thn kanei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, thn kanei o k. Pampoykhs, thn kanei o khpoyros; Poios thn kanei;

PETALWTHS: Antilambanomaste oti kaqe stelexos se opoiodhpote tmhma poy exei sxesh me to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio, exei kai mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia proslhchs. Typiko kwlyma sto na proslhfqei o sygkekrimenos nomikos den yphrxe. Kai apo th stigmh poy den yphrxe, proxwrhse h diadikasia. Kai ennoeitai fysika oti tis proslhceis aytes den tis kanei o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto einai aytonohto.

KOYTRAS: Afoy den yphrje kanena problhma, giati egine dekth h paraithsh ths k. Sioyth kai giati den proxwrhse kai h proslhch toy k. Xasapopoyloy;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti h frash ``logoi eyqijias'', ta leei ola.

KOYTRAS: Eyqijias, se ti;

PETALWTHS: An diabasei kapoios thn anakoinwsh, prokyptoyn ola ta pragmatika peristatika.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, paradexeste oti eginan laqos xeirismoi se mia seira proslhcewn kai sygkekrimena se ayth, as paroyme ayth thn periptwsh; Eginan laqos xeirismoi; Htan proxeirh h proslhch; Giati anagkasthkate, mesw enos dhmosieymatos, na akyrwsete mia apofash h opoia den eixe nomiko h typiko kwlyma. Htan proxeirh epilogh;

PETALWTHS: Ektos apo ta nomika kai typika kwlymata, yparxei kai mia deontologia, thn opoia emeis throyme kai h hqikh ypostash gia emas einai koryfaia.

MOSXOBAS: H eyaisqhsia thn opoia epideiknyete periorizetai se ena prwtoselido dhmosieyma; Den to gnwrizate apo prin; Giati proxwrhsate se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Exei ejhghqei deontws.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh den to katalabainw, ean den yphrxe to dhmosieyma, den qa yphrxe kanena problhma gia ton en logw kyrio;

PETALWTHS: To qema exei ejantlhqei.

SIDERHS: Emeis den to exoyme ejantlhsei. Afoy den yphrje kanena kwlyma kai kanena problhma typiko kai oysiastiko, den yphrxe problhma nomimothtas, h kybernhsh agetai kai feretai apo dhmosieyma ths opoiasdhpote efhmeridas;

PETALWTHS: To ti shmainei deontologia kai ti shmainei hqikh ypostash, emeis ws kybernhsh toy PASOK to gnwrizoyme para poly kala kai aytes einai arxes ejisoy sebastes apo emas me ayth ths nomimothtas.

SIDERHS: Ma, afoy den egine tipota paratypo kai paranomo...

PETALWTHS: Den antilambaneste, profanws, ti lew.

SIDERHS: Oyte kai eseis ti rwtame, isws.

PETALWTHS: Eseis antilambaneste ti rwtate;

SIDERHS: Bebaiws. Den yphrxe kanena problhma deontologias, den yphrxe problhma nomimothtas kai h kybernhsh...

PETALWTHS: Gia nomimothta milhsate kai oxi gia deontologia.

SIDERHS: H deontologia, poy synistatai, h parabash ths deontologias; Htan metaklhtos ypallhlos kai den yphrxe logos na exei ekplhrwsei...

PETALWTHS: Sas exw apanthsei.

SIDERHS: Sthn anakhryjh twn qesewn, sto FEK, diabasame oti prokeitai gia symboyloys toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Etsi orizontai oi opoioi bohqoi sta diafora grafeia symboylwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy; Ena grafeio symboyloy toy Prwqypoyrgoy proselabe kapoion bohqo. Aytos orizetai ws symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Emeis, otan diabasame thn anakoinwsh, kati allo fantasthkame.

PETALWTHS: Ti fantasthkate;

SIDERHS: Kati pio oysiastiko. Oti qa htan apeyqeias symboyloi toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai oxi bohqhtika proswpa sto grafeio mias symboyloy.

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn kai synergates symboylwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Me thn anakoinwsh toy grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy exoyn doqei analytikotata stoixeia gia to poioi kai posoi problepontai na einai diorismenoi ekei. Kai apodeiknyetai oti - ektos ean exei ejantlhqei o ariqmos aytwn poy dikaioyntai na einai synergates sta grafeia toy Prwqypoyrgoy - oi perissoteroi einai apospasmenoi.

SIDERHS: Gia toys genikoys grammateis twn ypoyrgeiwn kanate to open gov. Gia bohqoys twn symboylwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy, giati den kanate mia anoixth diadikasia kai afeqhkate sthn proswpikh diamesolabhsh, sto proswpiko roysfeti kapoiwn, poy kapoioys toys systhse kapoios.

PETALWTHS: Prwton, den prokeitai gia proswpiko roysfeti. Deyteron, einai teleiws diaforetiko o genikos grammateas apo ton bohqo kapoioy symboyloy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Opoios mporei na antilhfqei to poia einai h diafora, antilambanetai kai giati akoloyqhqhke ayth h diadikasia.

MIXAHL: H k. Sioyth paraithqhke. O antikatastaths pote qa anakoinwqei, ektos kai an hdh einai gnwsto kai mporeite na mas to anakoinwsete.

PETALWTHS: Otan apofasistei gia to poios qa einai o antikatastaths, qa anakoinwqei.

NEDOS: Se liga lepta o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ton k. Papadhmo. Einai enhmerwtikh ayth h synanthsh h prooiwnizetai h lhch kapoioy roloy apo ton k. Papadhmo;

PETALWTHS: O k. Papadhmos exei mia shmantikotath qesh sthn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza. H gnwsh kai h empeiria toy einai gnwsth. Meta th synanthsh qa yparxei enhmerwsh kai apo ta dyo merh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sth synenteyjh Typoy poy paraxwrhse o Prwqypoyrgos me th symplhrwsh 100 hmerwn apo thn analhch ths diakybernhshs, eixe diabebaiwsei oti qa exoyme Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia. Katopin, yphrje kai sxetiko aithma apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK kai diabazw se kyriakatikh efhmerida ton antiproedro ths kybernhshs na diaforopoieitai. Exei allajei kati sthn apofash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Den exei allajei tipote. Einai dedhlwmenh boylhsh ths kybernhshs na proxwrhsei se oles ekeines tis energeies, etsi wste epiteloys aytoi oi opoioi odhghsan th xwra mas se mia katastash panteloys anajiopistias, me ta parapoihmena stoixeia ta opoia paroysiazan stoys etairoys mas, na logodothsoyn ston ellhniko lao mesw twn Epitropwn ths Boylhs. Ayto einai dedomeno kai fysika den exei allajei tipote. Kai an den apatwmai, o k. Pagkalos shmera ekane th dieykrinish oti ennooyse thn Ejetastikh gia thn oikonomia.

SPANOY: H Nea Dhmokratia apofasise thn apoxwrhsh ths apo thn Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn ypoqesh Batopedioy. Ti shmainei ayto gia esas;

PETALWTHS: Einai h trith fora kata thn opoia h Nea Dhmokratia, oson afora sto Batopedi, egkataleipei th Boylh. Nomizw oti oloi exoyme bgalei ta symperasmata mas edw kai xronia, gia to poia htan h sxesh ths Neas Dhmokratias, ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias akomh perissotero, m ayto to terastio skandalo toy Batopedioy.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean skopeyete na kanete to Megaro Majimoy ``kagkelaria'', opws eipe symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy metexei sth Epitroph Sofwn, o k. Federstooyn kai oysiastika proanaggeile kai mia isxyrh ypoyrgikh qesh katw apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Aytes einai oi domikes allages poy sxediazete;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio, gnwrizoyme oloi kala oti yparxei ena sygkekrimeno montelo leitoyrgias, synqeshs kai domhs toy, to opoio -eidika ypo tis sygxrones anagkes- den eparkei. Emeis qeloyme to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio na einai ena strathgeio paragwghs politikhs, alla kai ylopoihshs politikwn, sto plaisio fysika, panta toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. Kai s ayton ton eksygxronismo toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy qa proxwrhsoyme.

TSAKIRHS: Mporeite na mas peite pote;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, yparxei mia Epitroph thn opoia exei systhsei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos. Otan katateqoyn oi protaseis kai oi apofaseis ths Epitrophs qa anakoinwqoyn.

POLYMEROS: Sxedon se ena mhna, ligo perissotero, oloklhrwnetai enas xronos apo thn hmera poy analabate thn prwqypoyrgia ths xwras. Qewreite oti oi stoxoi sas ylopoihqhkan sto akeraio; Piasate, dhladh, toys stoxoys sas mesa se ayto to diasthma; Exete kanei ton apologismo sas ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti mia fash toy kybernhtikoy ergoy exei oloklhrwqei. Apo dw kai pera, proxwrame gia nees, megales allages. Einai gnwsto oti antimetwpisame toso dyskoles synqhkes, ws kybernhsh ayths ths xwras, poy kanenas den mporoyse na dianohqei. Pisteyoyme oti ta bgalame pera, oti leitoyrghsame me ton kalytero tropo kai me tis dynameis poy eixame. Pisteyoyme kai pisteyw oti ayto to anagnwrizei kai o ellhnikos laos. Katabalame terasties prospaqeies, etsi wste na swsoyme th xwra apo th xrewkopia, bazontas sygxronws ekeines tis baseis, etsi wste na mporoyn na epiteyxqoyn oi megales allages. Apo edw kai pera, apallagmenoi apo to tameiako agxos, ylopoioyme tis megales allages poy exoyme orisei. Oi proklhseis poy exoyme mprosta mas einai ejairetika shmantikes.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Apo o,ti antilambanomai loipon, eseis ws kybernhsh ependyete para poly sth dhmioyrgia, stis domikes allages, opws to leme, sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio, metajy twn opoiwn einai kai h dhmioyrgia mias qeshs ypoyrgoy-syntonisth, apo o,ti exoyme diabasei, opws legetai k.t.l. Pws sxoliazete, omws, th dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, toy antiproedroy ths kybernhshs, o opoios eipe oti den mporei na toy mpei kaneis ``kapelo'', ennowntas dhladh profanws oti den mporei na toy mpei ``kapelo'' o ypoyrgos poy qa analabei sto Megaro Majimoy to syntonismo ths kybernhshs, o ``yperypoyrgos'' opws ton leme, o ``antikagkelarios'', den jerw, opws legetai telos pantwn;

PETALWTHS: Ayta twra einai symperasmata, einai eikasies poy ejagontai, me dedomena poy den yparxoyn. Proxwrhsate -bebaia kai emeis ta diabazoyme, opws ta diabazete kai eseis- me dedomeno stis skeceis sas oti yparxei ypoyrgos syntonismoy, oti qa parei kapoia qesh panw apo ton k. Pagkalo. Ayta den yparxoyn. Mas endiaferei na dhmioyrghsoyme sygxrones domes sto kybernhtiko sxhma poy qa pane th xwra mprosta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Pros ti tote h proeidopoihsh, h dhlwsh en pash periptwsei, toy k. Pagkaloy oti den qa dexqei ``kapelo''; Dhladh, ti ennooyse; Den qa foresei kapelo to kalokairi, jerw egw;

PETALWTHS: Egw proswpika den to blepw oyte ws proeidopoihsh, oyte oti shmainei kati diaforetiko apo ayto poy anefere.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Fobaste thn antidrash toy k. Pagkaloy an balete kapoion poy na kanei to shmerino ergo poy kanei o k. Pagkalos; Mhpws to fobaste ayto ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Sthn kybernhsh eimaste tagmenoi oloi se ena skopo. H kybernhsh dra kai leitoyrgei syllogika. Exoyme na epitelesoyme ena poly megalo ergo, poy den mas afhnei periqwria - kai o idios o ellhnikos laos den mas afhnei, fysika, periqwria kai poly orqa to prattei- na asxolhqoyme me qemata ta opoia den antapokrinontai stis anagkes toy ellhnikoy laoy.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate gia thn Epitroph, ayth, twn Sofwn oti o Prwqypoyrgos thn exei orisei, nomizw, apo to Febroyario. Exei kapoio xronodiagramma; Apo ayta poy diabazoyme, dhladh, twra stis efhmerides, einai meros ths protashs ayth, twn anqrwpwn aytwn poy asxoloyntai me thn anadiarqrwsh toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy; Kai pote einai ayto to dead line poy leme; Pote qa teleiwsei dhladh ayth h Epitroph;

PETALWTHS: Xronodiagramma den yparxei. Pisteyw oti syntoma qa yparxei oloklhrwmenh protash apo ayth thn Epitroph. H protash einai mia eishghsh. Qa tyxei epejergasias kai qa yparxoyn kai apofaseis.

TSAKIRHS: Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean emmenete sth dhlwsh sas oti oi allages poy qa ginoyn sto kybernhtiko sxhma, aforoyn mono ta proswpa poy qa metakomisoyn, an metakomisoyn, sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh.

PETALWTHS: Milate gia anasxhmatismo; To qema ayto to exoyme ejantlhsei. Den asxoloymaste me senaria anasxhmatismoy. Ylopoioyme to ergo mas.

TSAKIRHS: Allo sas rwthsa: An emmenete sth dhlwsh sas poy kanate prin apo mia ebdomada, oti qa antikatastaqoyn mono ekeinoi poy qa metakomisoyn, an metakomisoyn, sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh.

PETALWTHS: H dhlwsh moy eixe kai mia synexeia. Ayto htan to ena meros ths dhlwshs. Egw milhsa kai gia kapoies allages poy qa yparxoyn, anejarthta apo proswpa. Kai fysika, oles oi dhlwseis moy isxyoyn.

MOYRELATOS: Se synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy k. Ekproswpe, aytes oi allages me aytes tis antikatastaseis, sympiptoyn xronika; Qa ginoyn mazi dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta syzhtoysame prin mia ebdomada kai malista ejantlhtika.

KOYTRAS: Gnwrizete ean o Prwqypoyrgos qa proteinei kati sygkekrimeno ston k. Papadhmo; Giati exei akoystei arketes fores oti qa ton hqele gia na asxolhqei me ta oikonomika ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera prohgoymenws se poio plaisio einai h synanthsh. To plaisio einai aplo: antallagh apocewn.

SABBOPOYLOY: Yparxei qesh sthn kybernhsh gia ton k. Papadhmo;

PETALWTHS: Na meinete s ayto poy proeipa, oti dhladh s ayth thn kybernhsh oi syzhthseis kai oi enhmerwseis einai panta xrhsimes.

MOSXOBAS: Mporeite na moy lysete thn ejhs aporia; Giati h k. Sioyth apefasisqh na apomakrynqei, na ginei dekth h paraithsh ths, paroti to onoma ths eixe emplakei se poly - kata thn tapeinh moy gnwmh- spoydaioteres kai baryteres ypoqeseis kai kathgories eis baros ths, opws gia paradeigma th Monh Toploy, to ghpedo toy Panaqhnaikoy, th Siemens k.t.l. Giati egine ayth h telikh apodoxh ths paraithshs, enw eixe apasxolhsei poly megalo meros toy Typoy me poly sobaroteres kathgories;

PETALWTHS: H k. Sioyth se olo ayto to dyskolo diasthma poy perase h kybernhsh, me tis poly megales prospaqeies mas, exei prosferei para polla ston tomea poy yphretoyse, ws nomikos symboylos ston Prwqypoyrgo. Ayth ths h prosfora einai shmantikotath. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, qewrhse oti gia logoys eyqijias eprepe na paraithqei. Einai apla ta pragmata.

MOSXOBAS: Ths zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos na parameinei kai ekeinh epemeine;

PETALWTHS: H idia dhlwse oti qelei na paraithqei gia logoys eyqijias.

MOSXOBAS: Na rwthsw kai kati poy diabazw epishs, oti einai poly ekneyrismenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo aythn thn proxqesinh ypoqesh. Isxyei ayto;

PETALWTHS: Aytes tis hmeres exw diabasei - kai malista xqes- ypotiqetai pragmatika peristatika, ta opoia einai kati parapanw apo senaria episthmonikhs fantasias. Opws gia paradeigma, giati den egine to briefing xqes. Ara, kalo qa einai na filtraroyme ayta poy diabazoyme. Kai eseis exete thn ikanothta na ta filtrarete perissotero apo emena.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H k. Sioyth htan proswpikh epilogh toy k. Pampoykh. Htan sto idio dikhgoriko grafeio, th gnwrize, thn proteine o anqrwpos ston Prwqypoyrgo, th sthrije profanws kai se prohgoymenes ypoqeseis ap` o,ti toylaxiston, pali kai emeis diabazoyme. Mhpws yparxei kapoio qema me ton k. Pampoykh, mhpws exei klonistei ligo, etsi, h empistosynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn eyqykrisia;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena qema. Kai opoios gnwrizei poso sklhra doylece ayth h kybernhsh kai to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio den qa eqete pote ena tetoio zhthma.

SABBOPOYLOY: H apopomph ths k. Sioyth mhpws ferei pio konta tis domikes allages sto prwqypoyrgiko grafeio; Ypo thn ennoia oti yparxei mia kenh qesh.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. H qesh ayth qa plhrwqei. To nomiko grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy prepei na einai artia stelexwmeno. Yparxei anagkh gia nomikh sthrijh toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy kai fysika oi qeseis aytes otan ekkenwnontai kalyptontai.

SIDERHS: Isws na moy exei diafygei. Eipate oti qa anakoinwqoyn, qa anarthqoyn sto diadiktyo ta biografika twn symboylwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Anarthqhkan;

PETALWTHS: Otidhpote yparxei, qa einai sto fws. Ayto na to gnwrizete.

SIDERHS: Den jerw an exoyn anarthqei.

PETALWTHS: Cajte to.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o shmerinos Prwqypoyrgos, ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, para polles fores, eixe isxyristei oti h anadianomhtikh politikh ths kybernhshs qa proelqei apo forologia twn exontwn kai katexontwn. En toytois blepoyme oktw mhnes meta tis ekloges kai me kybernhsh Papandreoy ta esoda na ysteroyn. Exete kati na mas peite ep` aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite ta esoda ws pros toys stoxoys poy balame. Prwta ap` ola, na poyme oti ta esoda apo to antistoixo persino xroniko diasthma einai pio ayjhmena. Den einai akomh mesa stoys stoxoys poy balame. Exw pei kai alles fores - kai ayth einai h pragmatikothta- oti gia thn ysterhsh twn esodwn, etsi opws paroysiazetai kai exei dwsei analytika stoixeia kai o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, den exoyn ypologistei sygkekrimena esoda, apo sygkekrimenoys stoxoys kai sygkekrimenh forologia. Pisteyoyme oti mexris enos baqmoy ta esoda qa antapokrinontai stoys stoxoys mas. Apo ekei kai pera, qa yparxei kai mia anaplhrwsh apo thn piqanh ysterhsh twn esodwn, apo peristolh peraiterw dapanwn. Ekfrazoyme th bebaiothta, ws kybernhsh, oti den qa yparxei problhma.

PAPPA: En toytois, h aisqhsh poy yparxei kyrie Ekproswpe, einai oti forologoyntai ta synhqh qymata, dhladh, oi misqwtoi kai oi syntajioyxoi kai oxi oi exontes kai oi katexontes.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai mia aisqhsh. Den einai pragmatikothta. Akomh kai gia thn ayjhsh toy FPA opoy yphrxe mia dromologhsh mesa apo to mnhmonio, exei dhlwqei kai apo ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn oti qa ejantlhsoyme ola ta periqwria, etsi wste na mhn ayjhqei o FPA se eidh basikhs anagkhs, opws einai ta eidh diatrofhs. Kai qa prospaqhsoyme pragmatika na mhn yparxei epibarynsh twn xamhlwn eisodhmatwn. Ejalloy, mesa apo aytes tis energeies tis opoies kaname mexri twra, poy htan energeies oi opoies entassontai mesa se ena plaisio leitoyrgias ektakths anagkhs ths xwras mas, prospaqhsame me enan tropo koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs na proxwrhsoyme se mia tetoia katanomh barwn poy na einai h kata to dynaton dikaioterh. Oso mporoyme kai oso mas epitrepetai to krithrio qa einai na mhn epibarynoyme ta xamhla eisodhmata.

MPOTWNHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo ta eyrhmata ths dhmoskophshs xqes poy eidame sthn thleorash, me to na xanei 17 monades peripoy to PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe dhmoskophsh exei kai ena sygkekrimeno antikrisma. Einai h antanaklash mias sygkekrimenhs xronikhs sygkyrias. To exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws oti den eimaste kybernhsh poy proxwra me bash tis dhmoskophseis. Ayth htan praktikh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai mas odhghse edw poy mas odhghse. Emeis lambanoyme ypoch tis dhmoskophseis ws ergaleia. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, epeidh emeis exoyme epafh me thn koinwnia - den zoyme ektos koinwnias- ta mhnymata poy lambanoyme kaqhmerina apo toys polites einai ayta poy mas kaqodhgoyn, me ena tropo poy den exei kamia sxesh me to laikismo. Exoyme mia apostolh ap` ton ellhniko lao, ton opoio qewroyme oti einai ejairetika wrimos kai o opoios akomh kai mesa apo aytes tis dhmoskophseis kai mesa apo to eyrwbarometro, opws anakoinwqhkan ta apotelesmata thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, alla kai apo mia prosfath dhmoskophsh, deixnei oti pisteyei pws mesa apo th dyskolh ayth periodo qa odhghqoyme se ena kalytero mellon. En pash periptwsei eimaste sta mesa mias prospaqeias kai oi dhmoskophseis den mporei na ginoyn ergaleio kaqodhghshs. Gnwrizoyme poly kala poies apofaseis lambanoyme kai oti kapoies apo aytes einai anagkastika epwdynes gia ton aplo polith. Alla ayto poy lambanoyme emeis apo thn koinwnia, einai oti prepei na proxwrhsoyme giati etsi bazoyme ta qemelia gia mia kalyterh Ellada.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Apo thn anagnwsh ths xqesinhs anakoinwshs toy Megaroy Majimoy, gia thn k. Sioyth, kyrie Ekproswpe, bgainei to symperasma, loipon, opws lete oti den exoyn symplhrwqei oles oi qeseis. Apo th stigmh poy ena xrono meta den exoyn symplhrwqei oi hdh problepomenes qeseis. Giati yphrje anagkh na qesmoqethqoyn eikosi akomh kainoyrgies qeseis;

PETALWTHS: Giati aytes oi qeseis einai sygkekrimenes, opws o nomikos, ston opoio anaferqhkate prohgoymenws. Yphrxe anagkh nomikhs yposthrijhs. Otan yparxoyn sygkekrimenes qeseis oi opoies prepei na plhrwqoyn, tote akribws yparxei kai sygkekrimenh prokhryjh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Bebaia, apo thn epilogh toy sygkekrimenoy katalabainoyme ti anagkes yparxoyn gia na symplhrwqoyn.

PETALWTHS: Den sxoliazw.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Rwtaw loipon, oi ypoloipes qeseis, twra poy efyge o k. Xasapopoylos, emeine akomh kenh ayth h qesh, qa symplhrwqoyn amesa;

PETALWTHS: Oi ypoloipes qeseis symplhrwnontai analoga me tis anagkes kai me sygkekrimena krithria epiloghs. To oti den symplhrwqhkan aytes oi qeseis, deixnei akribws oti emeis den leitoyrgoyme roysfetologika. Qa mas htan para poly eykolo, kaqenas apo emas, na gemisei ta grafeia toy me tis qeseis tis opoies dikaioytai. Emeis, omws, kanoyme stoxeymenes kinhseis kai qeloyme na yparxei kalych twn pragmatikwn anagkwn. Gi` ayto kai den exoyn plhrwqei oles oi qeseis.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na symplhrwsw tote thn erwthsh moy ws ejhs: Ap o,ti katalaba pali apo th xqesinh anakoinwsh, giati prokhryjate h en pash periptwsei symplhrwsate to prwqypoyrgiko grafeio me mono 20 qeseis kai oxi me 700, opws exei o Prwqypoyrgos ths Norbhgias poy lete; Giati na mh balete 100, 200, 300, 500;

PETALWTHS: Giati kalyptoyme tis pragmatikes mas anagkes kai oso krinoyme oti oi anagkes mas einai aytes, aytes tis qeseis plhrwnoyme.

KOYTRAS: Mazi me ton k. Xasapopoylo, yphrje kai h proslhch ths k. Nikhs Thliakoy, an den kanw laqos. Epanejetazete kai ayth thn proslhch;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den yparxei qema. Ap` oso gnwrizw to biografiko ths einai ploysio kai den tiqetai zhthma.

KOYTRAS: Skepteste na epanejetasete, na diapragmateyteite pali me thn troika gia na tropopoihqoyn kapoioi ap` toys oroys toy mnhmonioy, p.x. h apoplhrwmh twn daneiwn na paei pio meta;

PETALWTHS: Mesa sto mnhmonio periexontai sygkekrimenes desmeyseis kai sygkekrimenoi stoxoi. Apo ekei kai pera, kaqe fora ejeidikeyoyme to pws aytoi oi stoxoi ekplhrwnontai, etsi wste na yparxei telikh ikanopoihsh kai twn anagkwn ths xwras mas. Ean yparxei qema beltiwshs twn synqhkwn zwhs toy polith, mesa apo tis desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei kai mesa apo to mnhmonio, ennoeitai oti qa ejantlhsoyme oles tis dynatothtes.

Kalo apogeyma.


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