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Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-09-01

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 1 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 286830667

Ekdosh 1

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 1 Septembrioy 2010

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalo mhna.

Tiqetai apo shmera se isxy o nomos gia ta yperxrewmena noikokyria, dhladh ta fysika proswpa kai toys katanalwtes. Dinetai etsi mia anasa, mia deyterh eykairia stoys sympolites mas, oi opoioi antikeimenika exoyn monimh adynamia na apoplhrwsoyn tis ofeiles toys, etsi wste na mporesoyn na proboyn se ryqmish ths ofeilhs toy kai na apallagoyn apo ena shmantiko meros twn xrewn toys. Antimetwpizetai etsi me realistiko tropo ena shmantiko, sygxrono problhma twn noikokyriwn, poy plhttontai apo thn krish, opws ayto ths yperxrewshs kai ylopoieitai mia shmantikh proeklogikh, programmatikh mas desmeysh.

Epishs, apo shmera, opws gnwrizete, tiqetai se isxy h genikh apagoreysh toy kapnismatos se dhmosioys xwroys. Einai ena qema ygeias, ena qema tajhs sto megalo ayto zhthma kai apaiteitai, fysika, h symbolh olwn mas, wste na mporesei na epityxei ayth h shmantikh apofash.

Epitrecte moy na tonisw sthn eisagwgh moy thn ajia ths apofashs toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn, k. Papakwnstantinoy, gia th dhmioyrgia ektakths domhs gia thn patajh ths forodiafyghs. Ayth h apofash antimetwpizei akribws ayto to zhthma ths forodiafyghs wste h patajh ths na ginei pio apotelesmatikh dedomenwn kai twn ektaktwn shmerinwn anagkwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete enhmerwsh apo thn k. Jenogiannakopoyloy; Phran para polloi ``xafiedes'' na kataggeiloyn aytoys poy kapnizoyn paranoma;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema ygeias. Mporei na fainetai oti yparxei kapoia katapiesh stoys ``qeriaklhdes'' kapnistes, alla epiteloys qa prepei na baloyme kapoia pragmata se tajh kai ayto poy ginetai einai shmantiko.

SIDERHS: To eipa ypo morfh asteioy, alla yparxei ena sobaro problhma, oti wqeite ton kosmo ston maziko ``xafiedismo'', k. Ekproswpe, kai ayto einai sobaro.

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei tajh se ena qema poy afora thn ygeia mas einai aytonohto. Kai fysika ta peristatika prosbolhs ths ygeias mexri kai qanatwn apo to kapnisma einai gnwsta se oloys mas, ara h Politeia exei ypoxrewsh na proaspisei to megisto qema ths ygeias. Fysika, den yparxei qema ``xafiedismoy''. Yparxei mhxanismos, o opoios leitoyrgei kai qa leitoyrgei apotelesmatika, etsi wste na apotrapei to kapnisma stoys xwroys, opws problepetai ston nomo.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mexri twra h qesh thn opoia mas exete kai eseis anaptyjei kai o Prwqypoyrgos einai oti ean kai efoson kybernhtika stelexh kriqei oti prepei na einai ypochfioi gia tis perifereies, ayta qa antikatastaqoyn. Kai oi domikes allages h h anasygkrothsh ths domhs ths kybernhshs qa ginei opote krinei o Prwqypoyrgos kai me bash tis protaseis poy qa exei sta xeria toy. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean ayth h topoqethsh isxyei akomh h yparxei kapoia allagh.

PETALWTHS: Se ayto to qema exw anaferqei diejodika kai fysika isxyei o,ti exw pei.

MIXAHL: Syggnwmh, dhladh prwta antikatastaseis kai meta opote krinei o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: To qema exei ejantlhqei.

MOSXOBAS: O anasxhmatismos qa ginei thn allh ebdomada; Deytera h Trith;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Den asxoloymaste me ton anasxhmatismo. Asxoloymaste me to megalo ergo poy exoyme mprosta mas.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh o k. Papandreoy, profanws, exei parei eishghseis sta xeria toy tis opoies kai meleta, fantazomai kai shmera poy exei kenh hmera programmatos - apo oso gnwrizw toylaxiston - den mas proideazete...

PETALWTHS: Gia ton sygkekrimeno Prwqypoyrgo den yparxei pote kenh hmera.

MOSXOBAS: Kenh hmera epishmwn ypoxrewsewn, ennow. Profanws qa ergazetai oikade, alla allo qelw na rwthsw. Exei parei sta xeria toy kapoies eishghseis kai den gnwrizw ean exei parei shmera kai tis eishghseis apo ayth thn epitroph twn ``sofwn'' gia thn anadiarqrwsh ths domhs ths kybernhshs. Pote na perimenoyme aytes tis apofaseis gia thn anadiarqrwsh ths domhs ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxei wrimothta.

SPANOY: Epeidh kybernhtika stelexh, me dhmosies dhlwseis toys exoyn ekfrasei epiqymia na einai ypochfioi stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges, prokatalambanontas tis anakoinwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H aproqymia ayth qa lhfqei ypoch apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe ypoyrgos exei tis stoxeyseis toy, exei tis proteraiothtes toy kai fysika aytes kapote ekfrazontai. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei boylhsh se oloys emas, se oloys osoi asxoloymaste me thn politikh se sygkekrimeno epipedo, idiaitera kybernhtiko, na mporesoyme na proxwrhsoyme, na prowqhsoyme ayton to megalo qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs poy perase mesa apo ton ``KALLIKRATH''. Ayth einai h koinh synistamenh olwn mas kai se ayth thn koinh synistamenh badizoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh arketoi ypoyrgoi exoyn dhlwsei th diafwnia toys apo thn prooptikh na apoxwrhsoyn eite na allajoyn ypoyrgeio, eite na metakomisoyn gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Ayto pws eklambanetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw se poioys anafereste.

MOSXOBAS: Na poyme onomata.

PETALWTHS: Pantws, oi ypoyrgoi briskontai sta ypoyrgeia toys. Einai eyqynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy na orisei ta proswpa twn ypochfiwn stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges.

MOSXOBAS: Ayto einai to aytonohto. Aplws epishmainw oti kapoioi ypoyrgoi, mallon, den to lambanoyn ypoch toys, an krinw apo tis dhmosies dhlwseis toys.

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw oti yparxei ypoyrgos poy nomizei oti einai monimos se kapoio ypoyrgeio.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi, yparxoyn ypoyrgoi, omws, poy lene oti egw qelw na parameinw gia na oloklhrwsw to ergo moy sto ypoyrgeio h den qelw na paw sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai qema ths boylhshs toy kaqe ypoyrgoy. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, yparxei kai Syntagma, yparxoyn nomoi poy orizoyn poios ta orizei ola ayta. Kai aytos einai o Prwqypoyrgos kai mono.

MOSXOBAS: Symfwnoi. Ayth h dhmosia qesh poy lambanoyn aytoi oi sygkekrimenoi ypoyrgoi pws eklambanetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ayto rwtw.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti yparxoyn sygkekrimenes armodiothtes kai o monos armodios ws pros to na apofasizei einai o Prwqypoyrgos.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den yparxei enoxlhsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h sto Megaro Majimoy apo kapoies dhlwseis me tis opoies stelexh ths kybernhshs jekaqarisoyn to poy qa pane kai ti qa kanoyn; Opws h k. Tina Mpirmpilh gia paradeigma, poy eipe oti den exei proteraiothta.

PETALWTHS: Epeidh oi ypoyrgoi kanoyn dhlwseis, dinoyn synenteyjeis kai mesa apo aytes mporei na ekfrazoyn kai kapoia proswpikh toys boylhsh, ayto den shmainei oti den gnwrizoyn tis armodiothtes toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios, epanalambanw, einai o monos poy mporei na orizei poios einai ypoyrgos, se poia qesh kai mexri pote.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, an yparxei problhma syntonismoy sthn kybernhsh. Kai to rwtw giati h synistamenh diarrown, epishmwn dhlwsewn einai h dhmioyrgia h qespish qesews yperypoyrgoy h syntonisth ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Ean yparjei tetoia apofash qa anakoinwqei kai qa to maqete.

KOYTRAS: Eseis qelete na parameinete sth qesh sas h na katebeite stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges;

PETALWTHS: Opoy mas tajei to kaqhkon.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Para tis paraineseis stis 24 Aygoystoy na stamathsei h syzhthsh gia ton anasxhmatismo, ayth antiqetws foyntwnei, eniote kai me parembaseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn. Akomh kai xqes o k. Pagkalos anaferqhke se ayto, oti den xreiazetai syntonisths, yparxei syntonisths. En pash periptwsei, opws to eipe, oti syntonisths einai o Prwqypoyrgos. H gia paradeigma xqes, me aformh mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, foyntwse kai pali h anasxhmatologia, me ton k. Papadhmo, ennow.

PETALWTHS: Ayto den einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, den einai eyqynh ths kybernhshs, ws ena shmeio einai eyqynh kai ths kybernhshs...

PETALWTHS: Giati; Qa prepei na stamathsei tis synanthseis o Prwqypoyrgos gia na mhn yparxoyn eikasies;

MAKRYGIANNHS: Oxi, eipa kai kati allo anaptyssontas thn erwthsh moy, kyrie Ekproswpe. Eipa oti o k. Pagkalos gia paradeigma anaferqhke xqes ston anasxhmatismo. En pash periptwsei, parallhla, anaptyssetai kai mia filologia apo monh ths, xwris isws na eyqynetai h kybernhsh. Gia paradeigma, h xqesinh synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Papadhmo, poy anagoreythke sth sfaira ths anasxhmatologias. Den anhsyxei thn kybernhsh, qelw na pw, olo ayto to klima, oti oi pantes syzhtoyn, agwnioyn, apodidoyn ta panta gyrw apo to qema toy anasxhmatismoy;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh asxoleitai me to poly megalo ergo poy exei na epitelesei kai mono me ayto. Ola ta ypoloipa einai senaria.

PITTARAS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, pws mexri twra, exete anadeixqei prwtaqlhtes stis perikopes. Exete kocei syntajeis, exete kocei qeseis ergasias, misqoys, kobete kai to tsigaro. Exete skopo na dwsete kati kapoia stigmh stoys polites;

PETALWTHS: Emeis stoys polites dinoyme th megalyterh paroxh, poy den einai paroxh ypo thn ennoia toy dwroy, alla ypo thn ennoia ths asfaleias poy exoyme ws polites ths sygkekrimenhs xwras, ths diaswshs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai fysika ths prooptikhs thn opoia dinoyme hmera me thn hmera kai poy einai h megalyterh paroxh gia ton Ellhna polith, mesa stis poly dyskoles synqhkes poy zei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes, ejaggeilate peraiterw perikoph twn dhmosiwn dapanwn. Se poioys tomeis h kybernhsh skeftetai na proxwrhsei se peristolh;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti yparxei mia poly megalh spatalh sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Einai mia xronia katastash, h opoia epideinwqhke idiaitera me th diakybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Hdh h kybernhsh edw kai 10 mhnes poy brisketai sto timoni ths diakybernhshs ths xwras, prospaqei na peristeilei tis dapanes. Epeidh, omws, antimetwpizoyme ena Dhmosio to opoio leitoyrgei xronia ypo aytes tis synqhkes, to pedio peristolhs twn dapanwn - kai den milame oyte gia misqoys, oyte gia ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn- einai poly megalo akomh. Oso mporoyme kai oso mas epitrepoyn ta periqwria, einai stis proteraiothtes mas na peristeiloyme dapanes, wste na mhn yparxei kataspatalhsh toy dhmosioy xrhmatos. Yparxei megalo pedio akomh se oloys toys tomeis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Afora kai tis koinwnikes yphresies, ton tomea ths Ygeias, ths Paideias, ths Pronoias;

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Idiaitera se aytes tis yphresies, h stoxeysh ths kybernhshs einai pws qa enisxyqoyn, etsi wste o poliths na mporei na exei koinwnikh prostasia, thn opoia xreiazetai se synqhkes krishs opws einai h shmerinh.

SIDERHS: To qema stis dhmosies dapanes exei kai mia allh ptyxh. Dystyxws, perikoptete kai tis dhmosies ependyseis. Yparxei xroniko orio anastolhs kai anatajhs ayths ths katastashs;

PETALWTHS: Poias;

SIDERHS: Twn dhmosiwn ependysewn, poy exei kocei h kybernhsh gia logoys oikonomias, alla oi dhmosies ependyseis synhqws paragoyn ployto.

PETALWTHS: Emeis prospaqoyme na anatajoyme thn ellhnikh oikonomia, na dhmioyrghsoyme synqhkes reystothtas sthn agora kai yp` ayth thn ennoia, den perikoptontai oi dhmosies dapanes.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se ena allo qema. Xqes, sto periqwrio ths httas mas sto mpasket apo thn Toyrkia, synanthqhke o k. Ntaboytogloy me ton k. Droytsa. Ekei, o k. Ntaboytogloy...

PETALWTHS: Sto periqwrio toy paixnidioy, oxi sto periqwrio ths httas.

MIXAHL: Ths httas mas, dystyxws, htan htta.

PETALWTHS: Proekyce htta.

MIXAHL: Entajei. Dystyxws, htta. To erwthma eipa tiqetai ws ejhs: O k. Ntaboytogloy eipe oti gia to casus belli ekoca th syzhthsh giati prepei na ginoyn amoibaies ypoxwrhseis. Dhladh kai emeis na paraithqoyme, na desmeytoyme mallon oti den qa askhsoyme to dikaiwma mas gia ta 12 milia gia na aroyn kai aytoi to casus belli. Ti sxolio kanei h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Kai o k. Droytsas alla kai h kybernhsh exei mia pagia apoch: Oti den yparxei kamia ypoxwrhsh kai den prokeitai na yparxei kamia ypanaxwrhsh ap` ta eqnika kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. To exoyme pei polles fores kai o k. Droytsas prosfata oti h Toyrkia pera apo logia, qa prepei na proxwrhsei se prajeis gia na deijei pragmatika oti ennoei ayta ta opoia leei. Emas den mas fobizoyn, den mas ekfobizoyn, oyte tromokratoymaste apo dhlwseis filias h exqrothtas h otidhpote allo. Emas mas endiaferei h oysia kai h oysia einai h proaspish twn eqnikwn mas dikaiwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Xqes h k. Diamantopoyloy ejhggeile thn katarghsh toy kaqestwtos monimothtas gia toys ergazomenoys toy organismoy Epaggelmatikhs Ekpaideyshs kai Katartishs, me to kainoyrgio nomosxedio ths Dia Bioy Ekpaideyshs. Ayto shmainei oti h qesh toy k. Pagkaloy pws otan katargeitai enas organismos sto dhmosio, aytomata payei na isxyei kai h monimothta;

PETALWTHS: To ypoyrgeio Paideias kai h armodia ypoyrgos k. Diamantopoyloy kanoyn mia sobarh doyleia, etsi wste eidika sta qemata ths metalykeiakhs ekpaideyshs, opoy yphrxe xaos, asydosia kai opoy polles oikogeneies ependyan anqrwpines dynameis kai poly xrhma xwris apotelesma, na stamathsoyn na ginontai antikeimena ekmetalleyshs. Sto plaisio ayto, h kybernhsh kai h k. Diamantopoyloy proxwrhsan se oles tis metarryqmiseis poy einai aparaithtes. Oi metarryqmiseis aytes exoyn na kanoyn mono me to ofelos toy Ellhna polith, toy neoy ths xwras mas kai fysika den tiqetai qema ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Isxyei omws h katarghsh ths monimothtas gia toys sygkekrimenoys ergazomenoys.

PETALWTHS: To qema antimetwpizetai, opws antimetwpizetai eyrytera to qema ths monimothtas sto dhmosio tomea.

MOSXOBAS: Exei ftasei shmera, an gnwrizete, sta xeria toy Prwqypoyrgoy h eishghsh toy epiteleioy twn sofwn gia thn anadiarqrwsh ths domhs toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei akoma oloklhrwmenh eishghsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Gia ton k. Papadhmo telika yparxei kati; Protaqhke kati; Koybentiasthke kati, toy protaqhke kapoios rolos;

PETALWTHS: H syzhthsh me ton k. Papadhmo kinhqhke se o,ti anamenotan: dhladh se mia qewrhsh, kai apo tis dyo pleyres, twn ellhnikwn, eyrwpaikwn kai dieqnwn oikonomikwn ejelijewn. Malista o k. Papadhmos ejefrase th qetikh toy ektimhsh gia thn poreia ths oikonomias mas. Fysika yphrxe kai antallagh apocewn, giati ayto htan to pneyma ths synanthshs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kapoio rolo, gia kapoia drasthriopoihsh toy k. Papadhmoy;

PETALWTHS: Den yphrje tetoio qema. Oyte yphrxe tetoio antikeimeno syzhthshs kai fysika den egine kamia tetoia koybenta.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Yparxei antikatastash ths k. Sioyth; Exei epilegei to proswpo;

PETALWTHS: Oxi akomh.

Kalo apogeyma.


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